A fine story beautifully narrated and enacted in Malayalam has fallen into the hands of some mediocre Tamil filmmakers is a tragedy indeed. They must have already butchered the story beyond recognition to suit the image of Rajini. The movie is going to fall between two stools without being able to satisfy either Rajini's fans or the aesthetic crowd (i.e if they exist in tamil Nadu!)
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
You are getting unnecessarily emotional venkat. Please read my posting again and ask yourself if such a reaction is warranted.
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 02, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
Hey Bala
Dont think you are the only intellectuals on thei entire planet(ie Mallus) and dont overhype your status.
Afterall Mallus are the ones who backstab their own friends and relatives and that might be a good story for you keralites(as this is the theme of most of the movies).They dont trust anyone9.
Dont think too big about urselves and try being oversmart.
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 02:14 AM Permalink
If ur an openminded person, u wud fully understand wht good movies ar in tamil cinema.
Why didn't u make paruthiveeran, anjathe, periyar, iruvar, kannathil muthamil, chithiram pesuthadi,evano oruvan,anbe sivam, hey ram all popular films by lining at the ticket counter like you did for sivaji.
Why no worship w.milk pouring over the posters of satyaraj, prakash raj, narain, madhavan,karthik sivakumar etc..
Why no media coverage for these films, only 100 days completition is good for any film which interests audiences latter during the week. Otherwise can u make movies mentiond above a super super super hit in one day as is sivaji.
Come on, no one's being oversmart nor intelligent. Be openminded and don't think too much abt rajinikanth and all tht modesty. Evn bus drivers ar ther in U.S. too and thy can get an online degree evn in computers if they put their heart and mind into it.
Rajnikanth put his heart and mind into his profession and thts wht got him ther, its not anything extraordinary. If somethin is extraordinary, it shud be a beggar getting a houseful of a bedroom, full bathroom, car garage, A.C, kitchen w.dishwasher,oven. This shud only be done be beggers w.any one helping them(who helps them anyways?)
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 03, 2008 11:15 AM Permalink
Brad,
This is waht I am saying to be oversmart. Whats wrong if we admire someone like Rajni who has come up in life and is of all humility. Dont know what yu are trying to convey on this forum.
Are you telling that we should admire the people whom you admire only. What has beggars got to do in this topic! Hope you are not one beggar!
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
Because rajinikanth ws from a family wher his mother died whn rajinikanth ws a child. He grew up as pretty much in low class life. Evn bus conductor jobs ar in the same class as beggars or contruction labors. But bus conductor and labor jobs have a decent earnings to grow up in a single father house. Thts really commendable, thts wht i am sayin too thts he put all his heart and mind in getting out of bus conductor and working in a job tht he really loves.
Evn tamil actor/comedian nagesh had similar background, but not exactly, as rajinikanth's background.
Evn if u get a chance to gt out of a job as being a child labor, bus conductor you wud do the same as rajinikanth. Rajinikanth's story resembles so many hard working people's story, and its only better if we find more people who do alot and not depend on one man.
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
But why thousands don't line the ticket counter for those movies at the first day, nor why did those tickets wer not sold of a month or few months b/f movie releases as ws w/sivaji.
Why no producer or t.v channels ar buying rights for those movies for the same price as sivaji or evn close to tht.
If you do tht to those kind of movies u mentiond, audiencs will know the movie and compare it to rajinikanth's movies as far as the story is concerned. You know, is it worth to spend huge amnt of money for an excellent story w/no superstars and "at the same time", is it worth to spend huge amnts of money for a rajnikanth movie which only entertains.
At the end, no producer wnts to release any movie the same day whn a superstar movies comes out. This goes for all cinema's, and why is tht?
Isn't tht depriving audiences freedom to pick movies out of a few choices. Rajinikanth movies reap huge money first day, first show and thru out the week. Because its only his movies, other movies don't release since producer is afraid not enough revenue will come.
Sure, good movies besides superstar movies will b.come hit but thy b/come hit by running for months. Superstar movies become hit in first day, first show itself.
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 06, 2008 08:42 PM Permalink
Exactly karthik
Cinema is all about business now, and audiences ar also getting deprived of excellent "new" movies.
Don't gt me wrong, but rajnikanth makes movie for masses and he does wht audiences want i.e his fans or someone who is new to his kind of movies.
Ther ar only very few directors who give audiences wht the director wants to convey, not the director does movies wht the audiences want to expect.
But ther is no balance between the two now at present, since its all abt wht audiences want. Because, only in india people ar movie struck and star struck, and thy continously wnt to see their kind of movies and thts a fully loaded entertainmnt.
Also, now its more abt business and i only hope thy don't gt addicted to money making part of cinema and treat the audiences like an auction item.
RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 06, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
Brad,
Whatever you said you should ask everyone why they like Rajni. How do you expect everyone to become Rajni and make the movie a hit on the first day. Its the way you choose to be. Sathyaraj followed Rajni by becoming a hero from villain whereas his movies where not in the same league. Rajni used to act in 1-2 movies a year for the past 23 years, whereas Sathyaraj was acting for almost 5-10 films a year. Even kamal's movies cant be compared to Rajni which he himself would admit., If you look at the last 10 years Rajni has acted in only 5 movies whereas kamal has done more than 12 films. This is where I feel there is difference as Rajni goes for a mass story and follows a certain trend and makes it interesting for the public to watch his fims. Rajni is not about only his fans. He has acquired skills to woo other categories like women,children and middle-aged, old-aged people likely. So he is a package himself and it has noit been developed overnight., Its all his hardwork and sincerity and dedication that makes him so powerful. Even GOd is with him.
This could be one reason. Also you cant expect all the people to like sathyaraj,Maddy. Its business and producers would queue to your place only if your name sells.
It all boils down to business nothing more nothing less.
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
Karthik
Bala is actually tamilian if you look at his later posts.
Anothr thing, please stop assuming if someone hates india, its a chinese or pakistani. If someone hates tamil nadu, its a mallu. If some one hates sothies, its a northie.
Evry1 has their individual approach to this topic, and evn thy say negative things, it isn't worth venting ur anger and strt an argumnt here. Its only a discussion forum, dicuss and thn forget.
RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 03, 2008 11:18 AM Permalink
Thats waht I am also saying!
We also have our own admirations and dont be insolent and contemptuous on people's admirations! If he is not a mallu well and good. Even if he is a Tamilian and hurting people's sentiments then we have the right to give it back. In your own words this is just a forum just discuss and forget it. Cool it you Man!
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
Thanks for the advice, Karthik! do not generalise with your experiences. You see the Malayalam version of the film first. after the Tamil version is out, if we get down to discussing it, you will understand why I have written what I have done! Cool it my friend!
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Venkata Subramani on May 02, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
In that case you should have commented after the film had been released bala....Dont try to count the chickens before the egg is hatched buddy....
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
My dear Venkat, I know the mindset of Tamil filmmakers for I have had a ringside view. the point I am trying to make here is even in remakes they can not stick to the original; I can cite several examples...not just with Rajini starrers, but even from sivaji, MGR days!
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Venkata Subramani on May 02, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
Dear Bala, this is business and not charity.. they will produce only what they can sell. If you are in business you will understand.. Dont think your people are the brilliant or intelligent.. Have you noticed none of your people had moved ahead in their career above the level of middle manangement....
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 06, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
How do you expect people to stick to originals! In Malayalam a lady wears just a Jacket and a lungi and you want the same to be follwed in Tamil as well is it!
Your logic defies here man. Also there are different interpretation for different things between Mallus and Tamilians. We have to change the same according to the place.
Hope you understood all this. Also we need entertainment here.
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 02, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
Mamooty himself has told that this role would be most appropriate to Rajni than him because Rajni sir has rosen from such a low profie status to where he is today(from rags to riches minus the ego).
RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 03, 2008 02:27 PM Permalink
BGK, I nver said there are no crap films in Kerala, but it is few and far between. In the film industry of every state, there are ups and downs. I am particularly fond of Malayalm films, but admit even they have made crap films in the late 70s and the trend continued for over 2,3 years. As for Tamil film, there is a progressive deterioration and it has become almost permanent and that's the moot point
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 03, 2008 06:41 PM Permalink
Are you joking that there are few and far crappy movies in Malayalam.
Its the joke of the year/century. Dont think we are not watching are having a look at these movies. At best they are average movies off late compared to Tamil movies what with movies likeParuthiveeran,Mozhi,Sivaji,Pokkirri,Anjatheyetc., received with same elan among the general audience.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 10:09 PM Permalink
If you analyze partuhiveeran, mozhi, anjathe and other good films. As a tamil audience, these movies ar also not as great as past tamil movies.
They ar not great as a mani ratnam nor a k.s sethumadhavan film, a b. lenin film, bharathiraja film, k. balachander film, t.v chandran film,k. hariharan film.
The same thing goes w.malayalam cinema, the same things goes w/bengali cinema, and hindi cinema.
Like i said before, the great masters ar only born once.
Its not a joke, ther ar crap movies in malayalam but it's few and far between, only if you analyze them. Most mallu audience don't make a paradesi, kazcha, an ore kadal, an adoor gopalakrishnan films hits. Accordin to them, these ar crap movies since its not the usual "entertainment" film.
Like in hindi OSO, tht film ws a super hit also w/dhoom. Both wer craps, but they wer entertainment, and thts all it counts.
In hindi cinema too ther is nevr flops of crap movies, but they ar flops or atlst average ratings of really good movies.
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Venkata Subramani on May 02, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
You comment anything about any person.. But dont try to comment in general that too not with Tamilians.. we are the ilichavayans of highest class where we allow other people to take prominence in our state....
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Jack Sparrow on May 02, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
tamilians are great they hold great positions in the society are big achievers...but please admit that the people with lowest profile are also from this state...also good movies and dumbest movies also are from you people...no hard feelings
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 06, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
This is applicable in all states in India and it is not an exclusive property on TN.
There is disparity b/w rich and poor and high end and low end people all over India. This has to be changed for the betterment of people in general.
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
Their literature is rich and so is their pool of talents, but they do not believe in a good story. If they ever find one either in their own language or outside, they will butcher it and justify it saying this is what the people want..they can't even copy well!
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Venkata Subramani on May 02, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
Both good and bad exists here..there is no second opinions on that...
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 04, 2008 11:15 AM Permalink
Dear Jack, tamils as an ethnic group may have several positive traits about them, but filmmaking is not their forte and they have to learn it from Keralites. for over three decades now their cinema, politics, art and culture have registered a dangerous slide and the so-called intellectuals among them have done nothing about it. the trend in Tamil Nadu is that anything loud and lewd sells there! Most of the scholars and intellectuals are content to be the stooges of the party in power.
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
Jack Sparrow, who does bala belong too.
If you read his statmnts later, he talks behalf of all cinema. Its not just malayalam cinema, just b.c he continues to make a point using one malayalam movie, doesn't mean he's making a point on behalf of all other movies.
In case u don't know, he is a tamilian livin in bangalore. I know for sure, tht he belongs to the human race!!! What say you?
RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 06:03 PM Permalink
It is business and not charity and I understand the dynamics and dimensions of filmmaking, but should the Tamil industry stoop so low as to kindle baser instincts? what about Mozhi; it was commercially successful and intelligent in its treatment, right? why are Tamil films so childish for our adults and too vulgar for our children? In Malayalam even their flops are much better than the boxoffice hits in tamil both in terms of form and content
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Bradley on May 03, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
BGK, I don't think bala has just stated tht malayalam movies ar not crap at all. Well, evn bala can explain why movies flops. Simple reason right, they ar craps.
But wht bala said tht in terms of form and content, malaylam movies flop since its not intelligent and its outdated in regarding to form and content. Malayalam audiences expect only form and content. At the same time, thy too expect a fully loaded entertainment, but tht to has to have content and good story right. Just see the great films tht got kerala the most national awards besides bengali cinema. Just see the great films tht took malaylam cinema international w/adoor gopalkrishnan, shaji kuran, murali nair, g.aravindan.
People in those times have loved those movies, now movies in malayalam cinema ar not like tht. The same goes w.tamil cinema, wer wer those great stories. Same thing w.hindi cinema, is ther a hrishikesh mukerjee anymore no right.
I think you gt my point, all cinema can't recreate those excellent movie making. You're right, now cinema is abt business.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by BGK on May 02, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
Bala, Again an over generalisation- I am sure you do not mean it really when you say that there are no crap movies in Malayalam. And vice versa too about your opinion of Tamil films. And to top it you accuse others of hypocrisy!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
Why this aggression and animosity? did you have a bad experience with some Malayali? Do not generalise with a few stray experiences
RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Venkat, are you referring to the importance and attention lavished on Rajini
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 02, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
If you take seriously what these actors say on stage or in the media, well, I have nothing to say! They all say things they don't mean and mean things that they don't say. Even in remakes, Tamil filmmakers can't be faithful to the original. Don't get too emotional as all Tamils do. Look at what I have said in the proper perspective.
RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by BGK on May 02, 2008 08:03 PM Permalink
Bala, Your over-generalised comments- especially those betraying a deep resentment of Tamils- can be applied to Hindi as well. There have been countless Tamil movies remade into hindi which have been altered. But that is all done to make it commercially viable in that market. The problem is Malayalam movies sorely lacks any kind of glamour- so much so that even Tamil movies like Chandramukhi which deviate from your original become mega-hits in Kerala itself. CM collected enough money in Kerala to cover production costs of the film. How do you explain that? And Mammooty and Jayaram apart from so many heroines (much like stars of yesteryears like PremNazir to Shobana) get to project another aspect of their talent to a much larger audience in Tamil films. Can explain logically without biased comments as to why Mallu's patronise Tamil films? Why is their appetite not satiated with Malayalam movies alone? So instead of brow-beating that Malayalam movies are superior please accept that tamil films offer something that is lacking in Malayalam and that Tamil audience is generally more pro-south indian when it comes to accepting talent. While Malayalam has a smaller share it does it's bit in supporting the tamil industry with some talent and logically there is room for both industries in the south. The best of Mallu stories have to be remade in Tamil, the best of talent has to work in Tamil because the best of Malayalam talent deserves a larger audience.
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 03, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
BGK, If 'Chandramukhi' or 'Sivaji' are hits in Kerala, they are anomalies; exceptions that do not mirror a particular trend. I can cite any number of examples of remakes. Malayalam directors themselves are very apprehensive about the response from Tamil audience, when they themselves get down to remaking their Malayalam hits in Tamil. Aware of the tastes of Tamil audience, they dilute the original so much that the remake ends up looking totally different with least resemblance to the original. Take Fazil's 'Yennannum Kannettan, a Malyalam hit of mid-80s which was remade in Tamil by the director as 'Varusham 16, a Karthik-Kushboo starrer. The role played by Thilagan in Malayalam was played by the late thespian VK Ramasamy. The comedy track was predictably very vulgar. When a comparison was made between the Tamil and Malayalam versions, the director in an interviewsimply said, 'TN market is different; this is what will sell there' That should tell you the general perceptions of Tamils amongst Keralites.
I hold no brief for Adoor Gopalakrishnan kind of filmmaking; but you can certainly look at directors like satyan anthikkad, Sibi Malayil, Hariharan, Shaji Karun, IV Sasi, Padmarajan who work in the commecial format but with very powerful stories and characterization. Here you have people pouncing on me to defend a very medicore director like P Vasu. Compared to Malayalam films, Tamil films are noisy and very lewd. I have seen 'Katha Parayumbol', the Malayalm original b
RE:RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by Karthik V on May 06, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Bala,
Any state has their unique proprietary ways of making things. It would be unique to that place. Likewise Malayalam movies had one thing in common from their early films to show the huts. They were existing in those days and showed the same.
Tamil movies also has their own way of showing things to people and it was true to that level.
So dont compare malayalam movies and Tamil movies as they cannot be the same. If it is the same then you wouldn't be watching malayalam movies. fyi.
All things has to co-exist otherwise world would become meaningless. Imagine if all things were good in life how frustrating it would be. We would not be able to differentiate.
RE:RE:Kuchelan sold for 60crore
by bala sreenivasan on May 03, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
BGK, Compared to Malayalam films, Tamil films are noisy and very lewd. I have seen 'Katha Parayumbol', the Malayalm original brilliantly written and enacted by Srinivasan. I do remember what the writer-actor said on the launch of 'Kuchelan'-" They asked me for the remake rights and I have given it to them; no it is up to them to do whatever they want..." He was after all very prophetic! I read reports that they have signed an actress to pair with Rajini, while in the Malayalam version, Mamooty had no pair! the original beautifully describes the fine relationship between a village barber and a mega star. Here they are talking about a bus conductor (to give it a biographical touch to please Rajini)and a driver! If this not butchering, what is it? I can only blame Malayalis who awarded the remake rights to Tamil film makers.
