Bango Bhai Some of your comments are idiotic to the core, but your conviction about Nadal taking drugs made me look at the issue again. Your belief seems to be not without substance. None of the Tennis players has a body like Nadal, whose muscles are developed like a prize-fighter! To have that kind of infrastructure is not possible without steroids.
Re: nice one to read....
by bango tango on Jun 04, 2011 09:13 PM
ANdrei Medveded on doping ...
"Agassi was probably not the only one who tested positive. I think Becker has also used and was forgiven for positive tests several times. In a 5 set match against me at Wimbledon, Becker took a ten minute break. He disappeared with his doctor to the toilet and the supervisor did nothing."
Re: Re: nice one to read....
by bango tango on Jun 04, 2011 09:17 PM
Christpher Rochus on doping ....
"There's a lot of cheating. Simply, people don't like to talk about it," he said. "I simply would like to stop the pretending. This hypocrisy is exasperating." .............................................. "I've seen things like everyone else. For me, it's inconceivable to play for five hours in the sun and come back like a rabbit the next day," he said. (referring to the Aus opn 2009 final)...
"I remember a match against a guy whose name I will not say. I won the first set 6-1, very easily. He went to the bathroom and came back metamorphosized. He led 5-3 in the second set and when I came back to 5-5... his nose began bleeding. I told myself it was all very strange." (PROBABLY HE WAS REFERRING TO RICHARD GASQUET, THOUGH NOT SURE)
Re: Re: Re: nice one to read....
by bango tango on Jun 04, 2011 09:18 PM
Asked whether he was open to allowing the use of performance-enhancing drugs, Rochus said, "I would not be against it. Anyway, it exists.
Re: Re: Re: Re: nice one to read....
by bango tango on Jun 04, 2011 09:20 PM
"I hate the gym. I don’t spend much time in there and I never have done – I just don’t see why. I only ever run when there’s some point to it – say, if it’s in a game of tennis. I do a lot of aerobics in the pre-season period, but after that I keep fit by playing in tournaments." - Rafael Nadal - negating months of arguments from his supporters that his muscles were from hard work in the gym (don't worry, they found new reasons).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nice one to read....
by aftab alam on Jun 06, 2011 01:56 PM
We do not thnk of replying ur non sense. You r right only, if Nadal can do it at US open y dint do it 2005-2008 and stop Fedex. Grow up man and accept the defeat, learn to b realistic. Y u have all the blame against Nadal only, y u have not noticed Noval, how come suddenly his back hand and fore hand become so powerful. How come suddenly Fedex back hand started working in french open when it wasnt working from last two years. How come Andy was running like bolt after twisting his ankle so badly. Will all of them are using drugs ??? Dude, with drugs u get power on temporary basis if u know, u wont get class. here is another example for u. Tendulkar was almost finsh at around 2007, look at his stats in last 3-4 years, he is playing better than ever, everyone thought including us that ponting will surpass Sachin, look at where he left behind. Its all will and fighting ability, havnt u seen yesterday how Fedex scrumbled when he was down in 2nd set, absolutely opposite to Nadal when he was down in first set.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nice one to read....
by bango tango on Jun 04, 2011 09:22 PM
nadal changed his grip technique (as said by him which his supporters still believe) and improved his serve drastically in 2010 US open....
Why didn't he do that in early part of his career ???
Why he is not able to that now ????
I know his supporters do not have answers to this .....
You don't abuse any Federer fan and I appreciate it. But saying Rafa better than Federer is too early. There are many milestones set by Federer yet to be achieved by Nadal. The day when Nadal will surpass the federer achievement I will be one of them who will say Nadal is all time best and better than Federer. Till then wait and watch.
Re: @aftab alam
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 06:00 PM
There is no way i wud say Nadal is better than Fedex, Nadal has himself accepted numerous occaision and he is sporting hero so i will by default accept what he says. My hole point of discussion meant is, Nadal whole the upperhand when it comes to H2H. I hope i m able to put my points in right way
Re: Re: @aftab alam
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 04, 2011 07:18 PM
Yes. In head to head Nadal has upper hand on Federer and I don't think any Federer fan will deny it.
Re: Re: Re: @aftab alam
by bango tango on Jun 04, 2011 09:06 PM
@Anurag ...Babolat balls making wonder 4 Federer.....
The serve speed of Federer is amazingly good due to the introduction of Babolat balls....today he clocked 214 kmph twice and now leading with highest no. of aces (59 )......
Under a five-year contract that begins in 2011, the French Open is moving to Babolat balls from Dunlop. It’s not every day that a Grand Slam tournament changes its ball brand. Or even every century. Wimbledon, for example, has used Slazenger since 1902. The U.S. Open has used Wilson since the late 1970s; the Australian Open switched to Wilson in 2006.
My dear frnd, these two players have played each other 24 times on which Nadal leading 16-8. Clay 13 Matches Nadal won 11 Fedex won 2 Other court 11 matches Nadal won 5 fedex won 6 That shows Nadal total dominance on fedex, i thnk the only player who has better H2H record againdt Fedex. Nadal have completly dominate clay but not far behind even on other courts as well
Re: @Chaitanya
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 04, 2011 04:48 PM
That is because Federer didn't get opportunity to play as number of matches on other courts as on clay against Nadal. 2003-2007 was peak on Federer and that Nadal H2H against Nadal on other courts except clay was very good. After 2007 Nadal improved his records against Federer on other courts.
Re: Re: @Chaitanya
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 04, 2011 04:49 PM
* of Federer and that time Federer H2H against Nadal on other courts except clay was very good.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Chaitanya
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 04, 2011 05:33 PM
What was the winning ration till 2007? Even he is not at his best, his winning ration is very close to Nadal. I will see how Nadal performs in decline.
Re: Re: Re: @Chaitanya
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 04:59 PM
One way people saying Fedex still playing better than others, now u r explaining me reasons. When Nadal beat federer at Wimbledon final, Federer was by far number one and at his very best. Nadal was never far away from Roger the day he start, lets accept the fact the greatest of history has been beaten by Nadal more number of time.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Chaitanya
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 04, 2011 05:37 PM
2008 Wimbledon was start of Federer decline. At the same year he lost to unknown Djokovic in Aus Open. Did you notice that?
The records shows between 2003-2007 Federer was untouchable for his opponents. Look how many GS Nadal won in this period other than Clay.
When his level dropped only after that other players able to beat him. Not only Nadal even Murray, Djokovic, Del Potro like players also able to beat him.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @Chaitanya
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 05:56 PM
Lets put it in this way my friend, 2008 was not decline of roger but rise of Nadal. Nadal is winning because he is playing well not because others are playing badly, Nadal deserve all the applause what he has achieved as similar to Fedex how he dominated d world in last 8 years. Even in this year when all people say Nadal gone, he has reached 7 staright final, only one he lost before is Aus open not because he played badly but Murry played better.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @Chaitanya
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 04, 2011 07:25 PM
Yes from 2008 Nadal raised his level, but you can't deny that at the same time Federer level started to drop due to his age. Nadal dominated between 2008-2010 on all surfaces except some part of 2009 where he struggled due to injury. But now Nadal in the same stage where Federer was in 2008. Djokovic is domination in 2011 and looks his domination will continue. I appreciate his French Open run. I am not saying that Nadal has finished but you can't say that he is dominating in tennis circuit currently.
Re: @Chaitanya
by Chaitanya NS on Jun 04, 2011 10:13 PM
Thats exactly my point. Nadal might still have been leading H2H if they met more evenly on all surfaces, but by a margin of few matches. Murray leads H2H against Federer by 2-3 matches, but no one calls Murray dominates Fed. It doesnt make Murray greatest player simply because he have better H2H against man holding most GS. Nadal's statistical superiority against Fed is simply because of his excellent clay court play.
Re: @Chaitanya
by Chaitanya NS on Jun 04, 2011 10:11 PM
Thats exactly my point. Nadal might still have been leading H2H if they met more evenly on all surfaces, but by a margin of few matches. Murray leads H2H against Federer by 2-3 matches, but no one calls Murray dominates Fed. It doesnt make Murray greatest player simply because he have better H2H against man holding most GS. Nadal's statistical superiority against Fed is simply because of his excellent clay court play.
Re: @Chaitanya
by sandeep singh on Jun 05, 2011 01:14 PM
nadal 5 rs - 3 final against rogers nadal 2 wim - 1 final against rf nadal 1 us- no roger nadal 1 aus - against rogers & nadal 1 sf in rg against rf so federe was almost there whwn nadal won now reverse the equation rf 6 wim - 2 final against nadal rf 5 us - no nadal rf 4 aus - no nadal rf 1 rg- no nadal aftab if you know simple just get the percentage calculation where they stand. now rf s spent force almost- but he is in final -age 29. nadal was beaten in qf was rf was at peak in almost most tournament except clay & wim. this is the only reason for h-2-h. if you remove 2008 data-diff is very clear.
Re: @Chaitanya
by Chaitanya NS on Jun 04, 2011 10:14 PM
Thats exactly my point. Nadal might still have been leading H2H if they met more evenly on all surfaces, but by a margin of few matches. Murray leads H2H against Federer by 2-3 matches, but no one calls Murray dominates Fed. It doesnt make Murray greatest player simply because he have better H2H against man holding most GS. Nadal's statistical superiority against Fed is simply because of his excellent clay court play.
Re: @Chaitanya
by Chaitanya NS on Jun 04, 2011 10:15 PM
Thats exactly my point. Nadal might still have been leading H2H if they met more evenly on all surfaces, but by a margin of few matches. Murray leads H2H against Federer by 2-3 matches, but no one calls Murray dominates Fed. It doesnt make Murray greatest player simply because he have better H2H against man holding most GS. Nadal's statistical superiorit_y against Fed is simply because of his excellent clay court play.
Re: @Chaitanya
by Chaitanya NS on Jun 04, 2011 10:16 PM
Thats exactly my point. Nadal might still have been leading H2H if they met more evenly on all surfaces, but by a margin of few matches. Murray leads H2H against Federer by 2-3 matches, but no one calls Murray dominates Fed. It doesnt make Murray greatest player simply because he have better H2H against man holding most GS. Nadal's statistical superiorit_y against Fed is simply because of his excellent clay court play.
According to me, Roger have played the best possible tennis in Semis against Nova for him at the age of 29. He cant play better than that, but if Rafa will find his best and so the Roger is, then still game will end-up in favour to Nadal. If these Two greats playing best possible tennis as per there capability, Nadal shd come up triumph. What say frnds ???
Re: Federer problem
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 04:12 PM
Yes u r spot on...that has happened till date and will happen 2morro as well unless federer comes up with something really special to beat this man here...We can see tomorrow only whether Federer really has the game to bit Rafa here...
Re: Federer problem
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 04:18 PM
The Great wimbledon champion has more determination it seems to beat the Great French open champion this time...lets wait and see
Re: Any tennis expert here
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 03:20 PM
Ahahahhahah, y not, u can do dat, the only problem is consistency, how long anyone can do that is an question mark, Nadal able to do it again and again
When you are 0-40 or 15-40 down in your own serve Nadal will still try to do a defensive serve to get the first serve in(which is very important in clay) and go for 20-25 rallies to win the point and eventually he will win that game ...how is that possible...it is amazing..where as greats like Federer and everybody will try big serves at that time.......
Re: Nadal's game
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 03:10 PM
There are no rocket science in it my dear. Nadal do not have as super serve as other greats, so he has to rely on his rallies as thats where his stregnth lying.
Re: Re: Nadal's game
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 03:21 PM
thats correct.. but that may be very risky at times but still he manages to do that...thats why it is amazing
We are luckey to be in Era of Greatest of All time. Great to Watch Nadal- Federer Final, But besides this we also have opportunity to watch Mesmerising Messi, Tactical and Flamboyant Ronaldo, Flying Usain Bolt, Scintilating Sachin, Graceful MSD, All Time great Tiger Woods.Then there are likes of Sabastian Vettle, Sharapova,Lin Dan, Sania Mirza etc. Great to watch all of them in action VERY DIFFICULT to say Who is Best to watch,
Re: We are in Great Era !!!
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 02:22 PM
yes the list is very big...i will add two more names zidane , ronaldinho...i still remember in college days i used to wake up till 3 am to watch atleast one moment of brilliance from these two man...
When I was in school people were saying mark waugh and saeed anwaar will topple on number of centuries scored in odi's ...where is sachin now ...48 and counting ...few years back in 2007 ponting was on high and said that he would chase down... sachin in test centuries ...sachin has 51 now...every genius does that...I still feel Federer will make his GS tally to 20 to 21 or more than that when he retires...and make life difficult for others 2 reach there...we will wait and see...hope that happens someday
Re: Every Genius has in them
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 01:42 PM
Two much expectation from the great. He may won couple of max, but twenty and more is not fair to expect from him.
Re: Re: Every Genius has in them
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 02:18 PM
yes u r correct may be...but we should wait and see still he finishes his professional career
Re: Every Genius has in them
by rprasad karajgi on Jun 04, 2011 01:29 PM
Hmmm, as much as I can wish, it doesnt seem to be happening. Being an devout fan of Fedex, his game, his body, his energy and his down the line perfect shots seem to be falling short of what it takes to win GS's. I would really wish to see Fedex have 20 GS in his kitty.
Re: Re: Every Genius has in them
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 02:58 PM
yes you may be right but still this man finds some way to reach the finals..and sometime later stages of a tournament...because of his pure class...its really amazing
Re: Re: Every Genius has in them
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 02:15 PM
As far as 2morros match is concerned Nadal clearly has the edge over Fedex (may be in any surface I suppose) but you cannot count Geniuses like Federer out from the equation...If Fedex is humiliated 2morrow buy losing in three sets he will still be a force in wimbledon and us open...that is the hallmark of the great man...come on fedex u have nothing to lose and defeat atleast once nadal here ......
Re: Re: Re: Every Genius has in them
by aftab alam on Jun 04, 2011 03:13 PM
U r right here, no one doubting Fedex ability, he can beat Nadal and have beaten as well on clay in past, Wimbledon yes he will sure one of contendor but in US open it will be more difficult as on those surface there will be almost 5 to 6 way rivalry
Re: Re: Re: Re: Every Genius has in them
by sourish konar on Jun 04, 2011 03:23 PM
In US open he was beaten twice in last seven years but all are 5 setters...so this surface may suite him again
