Indian Army can and must interfere with freedom of movement of citizens on cantonment roads. Democracy does not imply absence of rules and restrictions. It does not imply freedom of the mobs.
Indian Army can and must interfere with freedom of movement of citizens on cantonment roads. Democracy does not imply absence of rules and restrictions. It does not imply freedom of the mobs.
Army is called by the state when the nation is under threat. This means some anti Nationals, traitors or enemies of the nation are working together to destroy our country. Some of these enemies are also working to discredit our ormy by demonizing them. One such is Rediff. There articles are to weaken every institution which protects our country.
Re: Why is ARMY there ?
by QAD Data on Jun 07, 2018 02:38 PM
A feature of India that makes it very safe for the world, and in turn very safe for itself is that its policies are largely made by its enemies. This feature makes its enemies safe. For this reason India did not see attempts by foreign powers to over throw the regime, such a common practice in other 3rd world countries. Even USA never made any serious attempt, because of the same reason.
The army is creating unnecessary nuisance ,law and order problems,livelihood problems for millions of fellow Indians nationwide by blocking roads which is vital for our livelihood,I know hundreds of Mothers who have lost their jobs due to these insensitive acts,hundreds of school children loosing their academics,millions of liters of petrol, diesel being burnt due to these illegal acts of closure of vital roads by the LMA. The army is creating very horrible image for itself by citing blatant lies about security which is nothing but shameful..
Re: wake up!!
by vijay srinivas on Jun 06, 2018 08:46 PM
All cantts right from beginning are outside city limits. Civil areas came up around them without planning and mafia, politicians made big bucks. Cantts are very sensitive areas and their families living are potential targets, why should they open roads to civilians, if the roads are bad Army is not to be blamed, they maintain their roads and infrastructure very well. How can you differentiate between a terrorists and a civilian? will civilians come to help Army incase there is a terrorist attack, all civilians will hide and ask for army to help them. They give their lives to protect all of you cant you take some trouble to keep their families and cantts in peaceful area. Please do not give bullshit of wastage of petrol loss etc. If you want to save petrol start walking.
Re: Re: wake up!!
by janga sridhar on Jun 08, 2018 03:46 AM
Oh dear, Come to the EME cantonment in secunderabad and see for yourself before making the sham statements of yours. We all respect army and have high regards for our soldiers, but it does not mean they treat civilians as second class citizens. Dadagiri nahin chalega.
Re: wake up!!
by R Swaminathan on Jun 07, 2018 01:02 PM
Varghese-Stop writing non-sense about the Army.It is people like you and the common civilians who must relocate away from Army cantonments where you can do any nuisance that you want.You are secure because of the army and we cannot risk opening their cant roads to civilians due to security reasons.If there is a terror attack will verghese and his like answer.
Continuous scuttling of procurement of vital defence equipment through sponsored scams, is the effect of control of foreign agents, moles, spies, etc., on national affairs of India. This intrinsic safety prevents Pakistan and China attacking India. For them the effort for a final war of decision is avoidable as they are easily able to get what they want from India without having to openly take it over.
Continuous scuttling of procurement of vital defence equipment through sponsored scams, is the effect of control of foreign agents, moles, spies, etc., on national affairs of India. This intrinsic safety prevents Pakistan and China attacking India. For them the effort for a final war of decision is avoidable as they are easily able to get what they want from India without having to openly take it over.
WHICH IDIOT HAS WRITTEN THIS ARTICLE AND WHO IS BEHIND IT? WHY REDIFF.COM HAS PRINTED THIS ARTICLE? DO YOU KNOW EVER WHAT IS DEMOCRACY? IS IT KILLING OF KASMIRI PANDITS DEMOCRACY- INFILTRATION IS DEMOCRACY? STONE PELTING IS DEMOCRACY? STOP NONSENSE ARTICLE IN REDIFF
Not True. Army is still a disciplined force with manners whereas WE CIVILIANS (including me) have lost Manners, Civic sense, dressing sense and have become Junglee in the name of Freedom. Dear Indians, Such privileges are there in India ONLY that we can demand anything and everything. In fact contrary to reports, It is Politicians who feel MOST Superior and want to control everything. Have respect for Army, Navy, Air Force and other Para Military forces who protect our Country and make you enjoy Democracy. No body invited Civilans to come and live in Cantonment areas. Jai Hind.
Re: ARMY is still better than Most of Civilians.
by varghese on Jun 06, 2018 08:43 PM
A disciplined force cannot close a road which is used by millions of civilians illegally. The army is for the security of the nation..at the same time one should understand the security risks of having a army area arouund thickly populated civilian areas..infact the civilians are at a horrible risk due to the presence of these units in our areas.. army cannot mess with the civilians lives by closure of roads arbitarily..we do have Fundamental rights,a democracy,a constitution law and order.. The Highhandedness and indiscipline of the army is highlighted by such illegal acts..
Re: ARMY is still better than Most of Civilians.
by a m on Jun 07, 2018 02:43 PM
India remains socially primitive because its so called civil society does almost nothing to arm, equip and train the traditionally deprived people to protect their interests against traditional oppressors in its society. As long as India continues to function as a human farm, it would be impossible for it to have independent thinking loyal people running its affairs.
High time the army units are relocated to deep rural areas where they have total security and total absence of fellow Indians.. I suggest all these army units which are infact a total security risk to the civilians to be shifted out within 1 year on war footing... the army wives who are protesting are doing the nation not much a favour by giving us sleepless nights by staying in our places putting us to security risks..imagine if war breaks out our homes,children our family our community are at risk for which we are not lifting fat govt salaries.. your security installations should never have been built in civilian areas..why are you hiding in our civilian areas are u not using us as sitting ducks..
Re: Relocate the army units
by Divya SHARMA on Jun 06, 2018 08:24 PM
Better, you make your own arrangements to protect yourself from Hostile Neighbors Pakistan & China. Sad to know that my fellow Indians have this mentality for our Armed Forces. Army Wives sacrifice their families for the sake of country. YOU PLEASE RE-LOCATE TO DESERT AREA OR DEEP IN THE BUSHES.
Re: Re: Relocate the army units
by varghese on Jun 06, 2018 08:33 PM
Thousands of army families live in civilian areas..have u ever heard of a single attack on them till date...wake up Divya.. we are more patriotic than most of the so called chest thumping clans..
The army lives in the hangover of British Raj and do not permit civilians with footwear in form of chappals and insist only on shoes. Army has its own stem of corruption.
Re: not just this
by naraen ganapathy on Jun 06, 2018 08:11 PM
The feeling that politicians in power are using Govt. machinery and organizations to intimidate people is increasing.
Re: not just this
by Divya SHARMA on Jun 06, 2018 08:20 PM
Not True. Army is still a disciplined force with manners whereas WE CIVILIANS (including me) have lost Manners, Civic sense, dressing sense, Discipline and have become Junglee in the name of Freedom. Dear,Gupta Ji, Such privileges are there in India ONLY that we can demand anything and everything. In fact contrary to reports, It is Politicians who feel MOST Superior and want to control everything. Have respect for Army, Navy, Air Force and other Para Military forces who protect our Country and make you enjoy Democracy. No body invited Civilians to come and live in Cantonment areas. Jai Hind.
Re: not just this
by varghese on Jun 06, 2018 08:23 PM
rightly said..high time these so called security concerns are taken on war footing by shifting these army units to deep rural areas so they can be free from all civilians
Re: not just this
by kanwar pal kang on Jun 06, 2018 08:31 PM
unfortunately Amitabh has no idea about the Security of defense establishments, why is he talking about corruption in Army. The right thing for him is to go to J&K or the areas where there is a threat of terrorist action and face the reality. Why there is a need for roads to be opened for free excess to civilians and allow bad elements to disturb the security of cantonments,why are the Governments wasting huge amount on the security of MPS and Ministers, let them also face the danger. Today the country is safe because of the Defense forces only and not otherwise, kanwar
Being a sovereign nation state similar to advanced ones of West, that inspired the initial activities after Independence, is merely a verbal ideal. It is not yet a reality in India. Beggars cannot be choosers. If Indians want true protection of national interest, they have to privately update the society from its near stone age primitiveness, to a more modern stage of social evolution. Sovereign nation statehood requires modern internal structure. It is meaningless for such a primitive society which is essentially a refugee camp without anyone bothering about interests of inmates.
Being a sovereign nation state similar to advanced ones of West, that inspired the initial activities after Independence, is merely a verbal ideal. It is not yet a reality in India. Beggars cannot be choosers. If Indians want true protection of national interest, they have to privately update the society from its near stone age primitiveness, to a more modern stage of social evolution. Sovereign nation statehood requires modern internal structure. It is meaningless for such a primitive society which is essentially a refugee camp without anyone bothering about interests of inmates.
He does not understand the security concerns of Military Cantonments. One strike and the propoganda value the terrorists receive. Anyway The party to which this man belong is a party of foreign agents.
Re: Tankha
by varghese on Jun 06, 2018 08:37 PM
the suffering civilians have the right to seek the relocation of the army units to their so called safe zones where no humans exist...
Re: Tankha
by janga sridhar on Jun 08, 2018 03:48 AM
It is not about security concerns. There are many ways to be secure. How secure you are from a determined troublemaker ?
He does not understand the security concerns of Military Cantonments. One strike and the propoganda value the terrorists receive. Anyway The party to which this man belong is a party of foreign agents.
Re: Tankha
by varghese on Jun 06, 2018 08:51 PM
The security concerns of the army can be met by relocation of them to deep rural areas where no men exists save them.
Re: Re: Tankha
by SHILPA VIJ on Jun 07, 2018 04:19 AM
Who come to cantt areas and start living illegally. It is land mafia to make quick money. So logically who should move out.Yes, Army should close only roads which has security concerns or threat perceptive. No fundamental rights are violated if vehicles or persons are checked. Do you object to state police doing it. Yes Army has to be careful not to overextend this issue for flimsy security issues.
Re: Re: Tankha
by SHILPA VIJ on Jun 07, 2018 04:19 AM
Who come to cantt areas and start living illegally. It is land mafia to make quick money. So logically who should move out.Yes, Army should close only roads which has security concerns or threat perceptive. No fundamental rights are violated if vehicles or persons are checked. Do you object to state police doing it. Yes Army has to be careful not to overextend this issue for flimsy security issues.
Re: Re: Tankha
by SHILPA VIJ on Jun 07, 2018 04:20 AM
Who come to cantt areas and start living illegally. It is land mafia to make quick money. So logically who should move out.Yes, Army should close only roads which has security concerns or threat perceptive. No fundamental rights are violated if vehicles or persons are checked. Do you object to state police doing it. Yes Army has to be careful not to overextend this issue for flimsy security issues.
Totally agree with every thing this congress man had to say about the army closing cantonment roads. They are inconveniencing lakhs of civilians with their high handed behavior. In our locality we have been fighting for 4 years now. And finally a bold decision by the DM. The army was adamant in not implementing the HC orders too.
