In the USA, where more than 99 % of the population is classified as literate and the term literacy is more rigorously defined than in India, a large number of church sects (tele evangelists) manage to dupe commoners with instant spiritualism !
In many radically Mohammedan countries, the muxlim clergy has an almost authoritarian hold over resources.
Both the above segments have immense wealth and most of their leaders lead lives of luxury.
In relatively very illiterate India whose commoners have been described by Khushwant Singh as among the stuxpidest in the world, Babas and Yogis and Gurus and Maulvis and Fathers are in a far easier situation to dupe millions of people and swindle them of their money !
Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by palanki narayana on Jan 26, 2018 05:58 PM
Your observation is that in the Christian as well as the Muslim world the pernicious influence of religious leaders is present. So is the case of our own country. If there is no enlightened leadership either in the developed west or in the obscurantist Islamic east, why blame India which does not fare so badly? I feel that our situation was not so bad before Dina Nath Batras and Darwin baiters started getting government patronage.
Re: Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by piri on Jan 26, 2018 06:17 PM
You may not be fully right.
Remember the kind of overarching influence a couple of swamis had over Indira Gandhi and how she used to run to them before taking decisions related to the running of govt !
The current BJP govt is only trying to greatly enlarge the decadence the Congress had started !
Re: Re: Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by palanki narayana on Jan 26, 2018 06:33 PM
Correct. During Nehru's time Gulzari Lal Nanda patronised an astrologer by name Haveli Ram and a society called Bharat Sadhu Samaj. After hundreds of sadhus mobbed the parliament on the cow slaughter issue, Nanda was kicked out of the cabinet. Indira Gandhi patronised Dhirendra Brahmachari and Narasimha Rao depended on Chandra Swamy. Yoga teacher Brahmachari was essentially a business man who owned a gun manufacturing unit. Semi-literate Chandraswamy was a power broker and deal maker with influence all over the world. The cancer was noted in the fifties itself and now we are helplessly watching its rapid spreading.
Re: Re: Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by palanki narayana on Jan 26, 2018 06:33 PM
Correct. During Nehru's time Gulzari Lal Nanda patronised an astrologer by name Haveli Ram and a society called Bharat Sadhu Samaj. After hundreds of sadhus mobbed the parliament on the cow slaughter issue, Nanda was kicked out of the cabinet. Indira Gandhi patronised Dhirendra Brahmachari and Narasimha Rao depended on Chandra Swamy. Yoga teacher Brahmachari was essentially a business man who owned a gun manufacturing unit. Semi-literate Chandraswamy was a power broker and deal maker with influence all over the world. The cancer was noted in the fifties itself and now we are helplessly watching its rapid spreading.
Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by SHRIDHAR on Jan 27, 2018 11:28 PM
Atleast you must appreciate that they are talented enough or may be possessing some kind of power ( Evil or Good )otherwise why crores of men throng to them and follow them in the name of God.As far as Nehru is concerned he had soft corner for Leftist in India and encouraged their growth which now has created enormous problems.The Left has always taken anti hindu stance and sometimes anti national stance also.
Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by SHRIDHAR on Jan 27, 2018 11:29 PM
Atleast you must appreciate that they are talented enough or may be possessing some kind of power ( Evil or Good )otherwise why crores of men throng to them and follow them in the name of God.As far as Nehru is concerned he had soft corner for Leftist in India and encouraged their growth which now has created enormous problems.The Left has always taken anti hindu stance and sometimes anti national stance also.
Re: Nehru tried to bring in
by SHRIDHAR on Jan 27, 2018 11:30 PM
Atleast you must appreciate that they are talented enough or may be possessing some kind of power ( Evil or Good )otherwise why crores of men throng to them and follow them in the name of God.As far as Nehru is concerned he had soft corner for Leftist in India and encouraged their growth which now has created enormous problems.The Left has always taken anti hindu stance and sometimes anti national stance also.
well said sir! Indians should learn to understand history objectively. Nehru did commit blunders in kashmir and tibet, but if Modi is ruling India today as a leader of parliament, credit should go to that great jewel of India Jawaharlal Nehru. It is another matter that Indira and her dynasty destroyed the institutions which were painstakingly built by Nehru and finished the congress as a Centrist party representing all shades of opinion.
Re: Nehru
by susarla suryaprakasam on Jan 27, 2018 06:30 AM
1. For unresolved Kashmir issue, for which India has to spend a trillion, 2. For unresolved border issue with China that has diverted our scarce resources to the tune of a trillion, 3. For having euphemistically stated Asean at Bandung but only as a lip service that kept India apart from S-E Asia for 60 years that would have united over trade and Industry, 4.That he advocated Secularism as equal to Muslim appeasement while any pent-up anger of Hindus raped and murdered for hundreds of years as Hindu terrorism.
Re: Nehru
by susarla suryaprakasam on Jan 27, 2018 06:31 AM
1. For unresolved Kashmir issue, for which India has to spend a trillion, 2. For unresolved border issue with China that has diverted our scarce resources to the tune of a trillion, 3. For having euphemistically stated Asean at Bandung but only as a lip service that kept India apart from S-E Asia for 60 years that would have united over trade and Industry, 4.That he advocated Secularism as equal to Muslim appeasement while any pent-up anger of Hindus raped and murdered for hundreds of years as Hindu terrorism.
Re: Nehru
by Raghavendra Ravi on Jan 27, 2018 06:43 AM
Not just that - he promoted Indira Gandhi ( says Lal Bahadur ).. He imposed presidents rule on Kerala's elected government ..... tall claims do not sustain
A vision imported from utopian world is bound to fail and results are there for us to see. While trumpeting the vision we are deliberately misleading the nation from monumental failures. Truth will succeed pretty soon
Re: Its a failed vision
by palanki narayana on Jan 26, 2018 06:17 PM
It may not be a bad idea to compare the path taken by the countries which won independence at about the same time as we did. In Pakistan nine governments fell in eight years before army took over. Sri Lanka was bogged in the civil war waged by Vimukti Peramana for two decades. In Burma (Myanmar) nine out of the ten freedom fighters were murdered before they reached the age of thirty. The military junta that took over still does not permit full democracy. Nepal which was nominally ruled by a king was actually controlled by the Ranas who had the king under their thumb. Freedom fighters of Bangla Desh were murdered by colonels who were later eliminated by their bosses. During all this chaos in our neighbourhood we somehow muddled along, the credit should go to all our leaders which of course includes Nehru.
Re: Re: Its a failed vision
by Super Funny on Jan 26, 2018 08:47 PM
Well said! Those times were different. Now the time is of sycophants..either BJP or congress sycophants where logic does not survive at all! Well it all depends on people as well
