NDA did not allow the work on any day fearing the loss of power...if no confidence motion brought modi would no longer be PM...so all the drama and then to show that they did not do anything they are trying to make it appear as if they were interested to carry on but opposition did not allow work...so govt itself does not let any work happen then itself declares no salary...trying to look great...if so why increase the salary by so much in the first place...as if anybody will die of poverty if they do not take salary of these days...
Not sure why this case took so long. Meaning, even if there were repeated appeals for adjournment, 20 years is still long time. 4 prime ministers But looks like the judiciary delivered it.
Not sure why this case took so long. Meaning, even if there were repeated appeals for adjournment, 20 years is still long time. 4 prime ministers But looks like the judiciary delivered it.
The current generation of politicians give rat's sh^t to these 'ANTI-DALIt' tag attached to them.
These are black mailing tactics used to scare politicians may be 20 years ago. At that time no one wants to be viewed as ANTI-DALIT as he /she was scared of losing their votes.
But now, no one gives a sh^t about these idiotc tags and give in to the pressure tactics.
And citizens too have become aware that these are 'Black mailing ' tactics. Branding people as 'anti-dalit', 'pro-dalit' and stuff.
Those days are so behind us.
What remains to be seen is how NON-DALIT people come together and counter this nuisance.
One thing is clear. Anyone who gets carried away with the pro-dalit image will lose OPEN CATEGORY votes this time.
Re: The ProDalit and Anti Dalit Tags are obsolete
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:38 PM
@auryas:
I agree with the last line.
I strongly feel that we must ask any party that approaches us for vote WHAT EXACTLY IS THEIR PLAN and TIMETABLE TO GET RID of CaBaRet (Caste Based Reservation)
Re: Re: The ProDalit and Anti Dalit Tags are obsolete
by Sunil Vaidya on Apr 05, 2018 05:58 PM
forget it reservations are here to stay...if even dr ambedkar wanted reservation then it has surely some sense some logic in it...who better than babasaheb ambedkar can know what atrocities they lower caste hindus and dalits suffer...
if there were no reservations or no shahu maharaj there would have been no dr. ambedkar and if there are no reservations and no shahu maharaj (some sponsorer) there will never be another dr ambedkar...
The employees of a factory, workshop, workplace, attends the site/venue but would not work. Should they be paid salary for those days in which days there was no output of work? Should the elected members get salary for zero output?
Re: Silly Argument
by auryas on Apr 05, 2018 05:22 PM
You nailed it. Exactly.
Next thing you know, staff of government department come to office, shout slogans, do not work and do not let others do work, go on strike ( inside the office). And they claim they need to be paid.
The speaker of the house ought to have more powers as he or she deals with notoriously unruly citizens of the country elected to Parliament ( especially the ones at present).
(1) If , after repeated warnings, if an MP or a bunch of MPs continue disrupting parliament, they should be disqualified and their election must be set aside. They should also be barred from getting elected to the house for 10 years.
(2) If an MP resorts to vandalism - throwing papers, destroying furniture or mics, he should be arrested and put in prison just like an ordinary criminal who destroys public property. His membership cancelled and he should be barred from elections.
(3) The parties from which MPs repeatedly disrupt proceedings of the house should be de-registered and penalized for disrupting parliament.
(4)No MP should be allowed to stand up when the parliament is in session ( except for nature calls).
(5) If MPs resorts to baseless charges, defamation proceedings should be slapped against them and should be prosecuted for fomenting misinformation with crooked intention.
Re: THE MPs WHO DISRUPT PARLIAMENT SHOULD BE IMPRISONED
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:10 PM
@auryas:
Strange diagnosis and prescription indeed !!
The need of the hour is actually LESS POWERs, and more ANSWERABILITY on the actions, inactions, and partiality of the Speaker !!
Today's tragedy is that, for reasons of saving the NDA govt from the damaging and embarrassing exposures arising from discussions of NC Motions, the Speaker HAS NOT USED HER POWERS TO SUSPEND THE DISRUPTING AIADMK MPs (the same AIADMK party that is being remote-controlled by the NDA after Amma's death)
As per rules, as long as there is a notice issued for NC Motion, no other business must be transacted in LS until the NC Motion is taken up for discussion.
Knowing and exploiting this rule fully well, the BJP, with the tacit support of the LS Speaker, is encouraging the disruptions.
The LS IS GUILTY OF NOT USING HER EXISTING POWERs to suspend.
This is the reason why, for the past 10 days or more, all other Opposition parties have been trying to dissuade the AIADMK from disrupting, and this is the reason why, the BJP has not been making any such attempt.
So, there is certainly no need for additional powers, but there is certainly a need for additional answerability of the Speaker.
Re: Re: THE MPs WHO DISRUPT PARLIAMENT SHOULD BE IMPRISONED
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:26 PM
@auryas:
The need of the hour is actually LESS POWERs, and more ANSWERABILITY on the actions, inactions, and partiality of the Speaker !!
Today's tragedy is that, for reasons of saving the NDA govt from the damaging and embarrassing exposures arising from discussions of NC Motions, the Speaker HAS NOT USED HER POWERS TO SUSPEND THE DISRUPTING AIADMK MPs (the same AIADMK party that is being remote-controlled by the NDA after Amma's death)
As per rules, as long as there is a notice issued for NC Motion, no other business must be transacted in LS until the NC Motion is taken up for discussion.
Knowing and exploiting this rule fully well, the BJP, with the tacit support of the LS Speaker, is encouraging the disruptions.
The LS IS GUILTY OF NOT USING HER EXISTING POWERs to suspend.
This is the reason why, for the past 10 days or more, all other Opposition parties have been trying to dissuade the AIADMK from disrupting, and this is the reason why, the BJP has not been making any such attempt !!
So, there is certainly no need for additional powers, but there is certainly a need for additional answerability of the Speaker.
The speaker of the house ought to have more powers as he or she deals with notoriously unruly citizens of the country elected to Parliament ( especially the ones at present).
(1) If , after repeated warnings, if an MP or a bunch of MPs continue disrupting parliament, they should be disqualified and their election must be set aside. They should also be barred from getting elected to the house for 10 years.
(2) If an MP resorts to vandalism - throwing papers, destroying furniture or mics, he should be arrested and put in prison just like an ordinary criminal who destroys public property. His membership cancelled and he should be barred from elections.
(3) The parties from which MPs repeatedly disrupt proceedings of the house should be de-registered and penalized for disrupting parliament.
(4)No MP should be allowed to stand up when the parliament is in session ( except for nature calls).
(5) If MPs resorts to baseless charges, defamation proceedings should be slapped against them and should be prosecuted for fomenting misinformation with crooked intention.
Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:01 PM
@auryas:
Strange diagnosis and prescription indeed !!
The need of the hour is actually LESS POWERs, and more ANSWERABILITY on the actions, inactions, and partiality of the Speaker !!
Today's tragedy is that, for reasons of saving the NDA govt from the damaging and embarrassing exposures arising from discussions of NC Motions, the Speaker HAS NOT USED HER POWERS TO SUSPEND THE DISRUPTING AIADMK MPs (the same AIADMK party that is being remote-controlled by the NDA after Amma's death)
Re: Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:08 PM
As per rules, as long as there is a notice issued for NC Motion, no other business must be transacted in LS until the NC Motion is taken up for discussion.
Knowing and exploiting this rule fully well, the BJP, with the tacit support of the LS Speaker, is encouraging the disruptions.
The LS IS GUILTY OF NOT USING HER EXISTING POWERs to suspend.
This is the reason why, for the past 10 days or more, all other Opposition parties have been trying to dissuade the AIADMK from disrupting, and this is the reason why, the BJP has not been making any such attempt.
So, there is certainly no need for additional powers, but there is certainly a need for additional answerability of the Spaaker.
Re: Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by auryas on Apr 05, 2018 05:08 PM
It applies both sides I guess. Speaker is an apolitical figure who does not need to answer to public. No one elected him or her a speaker.
But MPs are elected to make laws. They sure are answerable to voters who elected em.
Disrupting parliament is not a PRIVILEGE. It is a crime, we are used to condoning.
The reason why head of the house exists is to moderate the proceedings.
What happens when you post an objectionable comment on a forum ? The moderator removes it. if you violate repeatedly, you will be barred from posting ANY comments.
Speaker is a coveted post that needs more powers so that scoundrels who get elected in democracy like ours behave inside the house.
Re: Re: Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:11 PM
@auryas:
You are repeatedly missing the point that the LS Speaker already has powers to suspend, and she is DELIBERATELY NOT USING THAT POWER, so that the NC Motions cannot be taken up.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:23 PM
Suspending 39 AIADMK MPs in a house of more than 500 MPs will not affect quorum.
So, it is not the quorum that the LS Speaker is worried about.
I repeat, it is only the AIADMK that has been disrupting the LS ever since the NC Motion Notices were started more than 10 days ago.
All other opposition parties are trying to dissuade the AIADMK. The BJP isn't, because it suits them. The Speaker isn't suspending them, because it suits the BJP.
Re: Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by auryas on Apr 05, 2018 05:18 PM
The reason why we qualify certain communication as 'un-parliamentary' is to drive a point that , in parliament , one ought to behave with utmost care, dignity, responsibility and respect as it is a temple of democracy.
Shouting and disrupting Parliament may make you visible in the house ( but for wrong reasons). But that is not the concern. The main concern is the 130 crore lives depend on the proceedings here.
The tragedy of Indian democracy is ANY SCOUNDREL can be elected ( and it seems only they are getting elected). So the moderator or the head of the house should be given powers to make them behave and discharge duties they are supposed to discharge.
The RECALL provision should apply to the MPs if at all one is needed and not speaker.
Speaker only moderated the house whereas MPs disrupt and make the existence of Parliament useless.
Re: Re: Re: SPEAKER NEEDS MORE POWERS
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 05:19 PM
@auryas: You are completely missing the crucial point that the LS Soeaker ALREADY HAS enough powers to suspend unruly members.
She is DELIBERATELY NOT USING THAT POWER, so that disruptions can continue, and she is mentioning those disruptions for not taking up the NC Motions for the past 10 days.
So, the need of the hour, is definitely not more power, but MORE ANSWERABILITY on the partiality of her actions and inactions in favor of the ruling party.
--1--MPs need to have the right to recall LS Speaker or RS Chairman
--2--Have a Trio of Speakers with representation from Opposition parties, instead of having a single Speaker who shamelessly abuses his/her Absolute powers in the ruling party's favor.
--3--Apply a formula by which, if any ruling party fails to fulfill any of its campaign promises or manifesto items, that party's future voting strength in Parliament will be automatically reduced by 5% for every broken poll promise.
--4--Speakers should be held accountable for the actions, inactions, and partiality. They should be made answerable on a monthly basis to a regular joint parliamentary review of their performance
Re: Some badly needed Parliamentary Reforms
by Chaitanya on Apr 05, 2018 04:36 PM
The penalty for broken promises should apply (on a weighted basis) to coalition partners too. Let parties think twice before they promise anything, and let them think thrice before they join a coalition.
