the article written by a very naive and young men , who dosn\'t know the facts. although, i don\'t want to justify OROP as every one knows it is accepted by the Govt. in the past. Agitation not on demand of OROP but on implantation date. So 1. it is not negotiation., 2. The beauracrates, prsident, PM , MPs, Judges etc. all get OROP. Till 1973, army personnel were getting OROP, which was curtailed by 4th pay commission. when it was pointed, govt. of the day promised. But , due to wrong interpretation of OROP by beauracrates, it was hanging, till 2014, UPA govt. rightfully accepted and passed in parliament. 3. Comparing service conditions of Paramilitary forces personnel with Army men, is like comparing apple with potato. By the way yhey get much higher renumerations than army personnel 4. Do you know, NFU, where if one doresn\'t get promoted efore their juniors, they start getting NFU allownce. It is applicbable to all IAS,IPS, Paramilitary forces or any civil services except Defence personnel. 5. DO you know, Army is not Govt. organisation. It is commanded by the president of india and plac
ed under the Govt. for adminstrative perposes. 6. Due have any clue, how SSB select an officer. A candidate may be best suitable for IAS, IPS, IFS job but not for army. Becouse QR are completly different. my sincere advise to you, without going into complete details, don\'t venture in writting on senstive issue. These ARMY peronnel die for you. They are yours. Love them, resp
Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2015 02:31 PM
The article is not written. It is a collection of opinions by different people. The negotiation point was put forward by a bank employee. Bureaucrats get OROP? Great news.
Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by Subramanian on Aug 26, 2015 02:59 PM
Respected Col., It is very difficult to comment on the demand of ex-servicement because there is no tranparancy in the matter. Can you please tell me what is your current pension and what would you get after OROP is implemented (only if you feel that the data is not confidential ). What is the likely yearly increase you would get over your new pension as per OROP. For howmany years you were Col and when did you retire from the services. This information would long way in understanding the demand and its justification. Thanks
Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by Vikrant Kanwal on Aug 26, 2015 03:59 PM
Oh common, be pragmatic I am also a son of retired pbor from army but my family is not demanding OROP you know why bcz they joined army to serve nation to negotiate OROP on basis of 2011 or 2014. You are holding nation for ransom and emotional blackmailing, not good as your credibility is at stake now.
Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by human on Aug 26, 2015 06:57 PM
So one should check all before joining the force. Nobody force any one to join Armed Force. and u dont take normal civilians u give preference to ex Army children..Why?
Re: Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by LD Sharma on Aug 26, 2015 11:48 PM
Mr "human", you seem to hold a grudge against Armed Forces personnel just because you have a false notion that you didn't get selected because you were a civilian. How naïve!
Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by Anand YNI on Aug 26, 2015 09:21 PM
Send all these fellows to Kargil or Siachen Glacier and ask them to spend 15 days there. If ever they come back in proper shape, they will jeep their orifices closed for ever and agree for OROP!!
Re: Re: COL. G. K. AGARWAL
by Rakesh Kaushik on Aug 27, 2015 12:52 PM
working in factories nowadays is worst than spending time in Siachn Glacier. U got extra allowance for that. Just join a factory for mare salary below 6000. and than talk like this Mr. Col.
It's correct. It's the jawans who need this.. The officers have so many comfort perks n they take up jobs etc. they should start with Jawans to begin with, who deserve n need it too!!
Re: Jawans
by mandook raj on Aug 26, 2015 02:27 PM
I agree. This author seeks to present a contrarian view, a view held by bureaucrats who do not want others to enjoy and benefit. These fellows should be sent to border areas under subzero temperatures and asked to keep vigil in dead of nights.
Re: Jawans
by Logicalman on Aug 26, 2015 05:33 PM
Dear Parthasarathy, Then all the defense officers who died or were injured protecting our borders were enjoying comforts according to you? For every one supporting and proposing contrarian views I have a simple suggestion. For a nation whoc can't afford to support their veterans in their sunset years, we should make 5 years military service madatory for all able citizens.
Re: Jawans
by Logicalman on Aug 26, 2015 05:35 PM
Dear Parthasarathy, Then all the defense officers who died or were injured protecting our borders were enjoying comforts according to you? For every one supporting and proposing contrarian views I have a simple suggestion. For a nation whoc can't afford to support their veterans in their sunset years, we should make 5 years military service madatory for all able citizens.
How far is the arrest of AAP MLA Commando Surinder Singh justified In order to understand the gravity of the situation, we need to first know who Surinder Singh is. He is not just another MLA, he is Commando Surinder Singh.
Surinder Singh joined Indian Army in the infantory regiment and has fought not only the Kargil War, but also has been a part of the Operation Parakram, Operation Sadbhavna and was part of the UN mission in Congo (Operation North Night).
He drastically lost his hearing due to a hand grenade explosion while countering the 2008 Mumbai attacks where he had gunned down 2 of the 10 terrorists. There is an interesting fact most don\'t know. When he was fighting the terrorists during the 26/11 attack, his new born kid was just 48 hours old!
After serving India via Army for 14 years, he had to retire, as his hearing ability had drastically reduced.
But that was just the starting of his real struggle. The Government of India denied his pension for next 19 months! Actualy, he was serving his 15th year when he retired and to get the pension a soldier is supposed to finish 15 years. The government didn\'t consider that he was forced to retire given he sustained severe injuries in a terrorist attack. Also, other donations which injured soldiers were supposed to get were not given to him - 26/11 commando struggles for recognition, pension. At this juncture even BJP didn\'t help him and it was left for Arvind Kejriwal to help him - Now, IAC fights for hurt NSG
It is only upto Sargent who retires at 35 & serve at border that should get OROP. The demand for officers is mostly political in nature & trying to take advantage
Re: Completely agree with writer of article
by Logicalman on Aug 26, 2015 05:42 PM
So only jawans who serve the borders according to you? Please note that army officers are posted every where that the jawans are posted. The jawans and officers work hand in hand in all conflict situations. This is just propaganda being spread by babus to divide the soldiers standing together. Waht of the naxal areas army is posted, they do not deserve OROP, how would you differentiate the contribution made by the soldiers in the service of their country.
The writer has written his view based on views of some Babus without going into the nuts and bolts.He has questioned why Officers should get the OROP benefit? with his logic given it wo\'nt be surprising if comes out some day with a logic that why Officers should get more pay than Jawans? Bravo: Please ask those Babus who gave you feeds Why they should get so much of pay and allowances and time bound promotion without much out put? Why Ministers, MPs and all other all India cadre should have so much monetary advantages which an Army Officers is not given? If for other services No pension has been implemented wef 01 Jan 2004, the Govt is paying 10% of salary to them towards pension . Have you forgotten that? It would be nice to keep yourself away from these unwanted and unnecessary writings. Please go to Siachin and stay in a Bunker under -50 Degree C before you write.AD
Re: OROP
by Sudhir Bisht on Aug 26, 2015 01:40 PM
Sir, Lets view the article dispassionately. I am reporting the contrarian views. Please read my own assessment in the end
Re: Re: OROP
by Dhruba Sarma on Aug 26, 2015 05:22 PM
You should not have stirred it up in the first place .The babu garbage has now jumped in to the fray through your post .
Re: Re: OROP
by Logicalman on Aug 26, 2015 05:54 PM
Hi Sudhir, If the objective of your article was to present contrarian view. You should have taken the view point that Babus should continue to rule the roost while the soldiers continue to struggle for something they have been promised by various governments repeatedly. I may not have the command on English that you enjoy but according to me contrarian view would be opposing or rejecting popular opinion or current practice. No officer or person has asked for OROP to be implemented for only the officers and not the jawans, so how is your view contrarian. What you have tried to do here is what the babus have tried to do many times. Divide and rule. I am very dispassionately telling you that your views are biased and your article very poorly researched.
Re: OROP
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2015 02:44 PM
Dhar: Did you work in a bank or became a bureaucrat or studiesd law before YOU decided to blast the citizens who have their views? Please do.
No National Wage Policy in India. If case of 6th CPC, the pay band of Rs. 37400-67000 offered to Associate Professor, Professor, Principal/Director, Secretary to Govt., Regional Divisional Commissions and equivalent cadre in Defense with small insignificant variation in grade pay. We do not have job evaluation, performance assessment in place. In fact, jobs of equal difficulty points need to get the same compensation irrespective of the sector. Probably it the IT sector that made IAS cadre personnel, main policy makers, to aspire for higher IT industry comparable pay. Now the defence personnel have on fore front. It is an amazing matter that in such long pending cases, why this do or die strategy at the moment? In fact Jawans, all Defense civil Officers and work force like of IOF are entitled to perks not available in other services like canteen purchase at 60% cost, free ration, T & C of services more protected, etc. It' is quite reasonable that those who ardirectly involved in fighting may be given relaxation. But why for Officers? The Govt. is cornered and if irrational decision is taken no body can resist it later like the issue of reservation, wild fire. All decisions need to be taken rationally, scientific based, in the national interests, in the interests of Public. If OROP is adapted without a second thought, if not awarded carefully to the deserving only, the outcomes is fatal. 7th CPC is on anvil, it's expected all the pay bands will be 3-4 times of the 6th C
Re: 'OROP for jawans is justified. Not so much for officers'
by mandook raj on Aug 26, 2015 02:32 PM
All PSU employees are discriminated against. Their pension is not updated unlike in the case of Union government and State Government employees; the Union Finance Ministry sits in judgment on this and denies to the PSU pensioners any revision for more than three decades. It is shameful.
The writer has very convienently forgot that prior to 1973 the Jawan were getting 70% and officer's 65% of last drawn salry as pension. GOIrequested the defence forces that accept 20% reduction in pension and we will grant OROP. Now 43 years have passed and GOI did not grant OROP only because of Babus o Finance ministry. As far observation of selection of children for defence forces are concerned the favoritism is not there , The selection boards look for certain qualities which are gauged in a 5 day interview.It is not important for a brilliant young man to have those qualities.
Re: OROP
by Sudhir Bisht on Aug 26, 2015 01:41 PM
Sir, The author has collated the points of views that are against the popular support for OROP. Please understand.
Re: OROP
by Rakesh Kaushik on Aug 26, 2015 02:37 PM
You people already getting pension, which is enough for your living. ask common man of this country who is working in company or no job.
Re: Re: OROP
by anil nigam on Aug 26, 2015 02:49 PM
Yes . but when you were comfortably sleeping or working in your AC room withno fear of a stray Pak bullet hitting, the soldier was standing in BOP ( 45 to 48 degree ) or in - 10 degree temp. When he wanted to go on leave as his child was sick in some remote village he was not granted leave due to exgiencies of service.
Wake up we should not feel jealous. Will anybody accept a cut in Salary or pension.
Re: Re: Re: OROP
by Rakesh Kaushik on Aug 27, 2015 02:25 PM
working in factory n getting salary rs. 6000 is not enough to buy a AC Mr Anil Nigam. You are talking like Mr. Raj Babbar who once said that anybody can get enough food for just rs. 5. Later he got enough Beating.
Re: OROP
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2015 02:45 PM
Nigam: You conveniently forgot that the above article is merely a collection of views from different citizens of India. Secondly which logic of yours dictates that officers need OROP more than jawans?
Re: Re: OROP
by anil nigam on Aug 26, 2015 03:08 PM
Please remember all officers follow the Chetwood motto written in Indian Military Academy. Find out what is the motto???? OROP is needed for the Defence Forces not for officers.. Do not behave like Third rate Politicians by trying to diffrentiate between officers and Jawans.
Re: heat
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2015 02:36 PM
Mallikarjun: Now listen to my story. Mallikarjun facing heat from boss, wife, girlfriend, bank loan officer and the CBI. :-)
