Re: Sickularists
by harmony on Nov 16, 2014 02:23 PM
That only shows that kameenal forces r more active than secular people.You can always see that when handful_goons can make a no. of gentlemen captive
D.Goel pkl. afternoon 2.10pm Sunday, november 16, 2014. Most Moslem ladiesstill accept Sharia , andarewillingto sufferTheprovision of several spouses for Maleswho can afford them. Ofcourse most women have to suffer Male ways ofDivorce from simple triplepronouncements. Many women sometimes if married to oldermales often suffer from sexual deprivations too andvery often resort to weird sexual doings. It is timethat progressive young males should seek to change these oldvestigial practices, soon. D. Goel
I am not surprised to see people writing nonsense thing about Muslims and great establishment of our country...AMU is the only institute as compare to any other religious based identity institute where other religion student are more enrolled compare to Muslims..AMU medical,eng and other professional faculty enrolled more student from other community than it is know for..Commenting against this great institute shows the mentality and biased thinking..
Re: nonsense
by Truth Speaker on Nov 16, 2014 01:57 PM
Mr. Rahman,
Mistake no 1 is that the comments are not against AMU but it's someone's gender biased comments !!!
Mistake no. 2 is why you do not look into the backwardness and lack of growth, education, of one community women in India and everywhere in the world ? Due to Lack of openness and imposed restrictions ? ... Most of the comments are on this angle only !!
Mistake no. 3 is why you do not need to think why only one community members are related to all religious extreimism activities (elsewhere) of Taalibaan, Al-qaida, IsIs, Boko Haram !!! There must be some trouble in the living style and thinking (close mindedness) of these people ... which can take its root to underdevelopment of their women, the mothers !!!
Re: Re: nonsense
by Meraj Uddin on Nov 16, 2014 02:11 PM
Mistake no.1: If some one is really concerned abt gender bias,he should the read the article carefully.the article doesnt leave any room for such argument except for the sake of it Mistake no.2: Why link a purely administrative issue with community issues.There r appropriate platforms or topics under which stomach ache can be relieved by those who r ready to vent their_bias at any pretext. Mistake no.3: Shows the hidden agenda of people who r ready to b1ame the whole community for some v10lent groups elsewhere whereas their own community members's vices are declared individual acts.funnily_biased!!! The fact is there r people on forums who ,give them any topic in the world, will circumvent to c0mmuna1ism
Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by khaliqur rahman on Nov 16, 2014 02:24 PM
I dont know why Rediff is not uploading my reply to Mr Truth...I think rediff is involved in this agenda
Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by harmony on Nov 16, 2014 02:37 PM
U have to be little_'manipulative' to get ur stuff posted. They have filter for words which prevent publication. e.g. write_k0mmuna1 in place of actual word
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by khaliqur rahman on Nov 16, 2014 04:46 PM
Mr Hormony...I dont use any language which touch the sentiment of people..but rediff seems to be biased..Rediff never publish any article which goes against BJP and Modi...Rediff is completely silent over tainted minister of BJP and chattishgarh episode..
Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Truth Speaker on Nov 16, 2014 03:17 PM
Meraj Uddin,
Mistake no.1: What the AMU guy said, that is more serious ... and that is gender biased !! Tha article writer is just trying to make up ... why that will be important ?
Mistake no.2: Women's education is NOT an administrative issue, it is a social issue and needs awareness of Muslims women and to be allowed by men for education, freeness and liberty !! Spreading anger and hatred is not the solution !!
Mistake no.3: Your basic problem of thinking ... I am not blaming the community but telling that dark minded super religious criminals are created due to some problems in the system ... b'coz others are not like that !!! You people only have to find out the reason, why it happens only for muslims !!!
DONOT SPREAD HATRED AND ANGER, IT SOLVES NOTHING !!
Education and freeness to women can be a solution to many problems, because, they are the MOTHERS ... but, close minded people like you are blocking it, i.e. you are blocking your own good life !!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Meraj Uddin on Nov 16, 2014 03:33 PM
I wish you had even a bit of what you preach for others as if you are directly competing with west on liberalism,at least civilised way to write or reply.Please dont preach to us as we know very well and to deep about your values and upliftment.Nothing else can be expected from infected_minds you.The less said about you guys the better!Wish you a complete recovery from mind_sickness called self-acclaimation
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Meraj Uddin on Nov 16, 2014 04:20 PM
Deb and T.S. I am really confused whether I am facing the people telling me about the same India I know.I really envy_your wisdom!! I reiterate 'Please dont preach to us as we know very well and to deep about your values and upliftment'.Keep your 'high end stories and advancement' for foreigners to argue with. Unfortunately for you guys,we know where you stand as we are copatriots. I am feeling so 10w statured.Thank you guys.Take care of your high IQ ,grey matter may overflow.No further arguments with geniuses
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by khaliqur rahman on Nov 16, 2014 04:35 PM
Mr truth, Can U pls tell me what is illiterate rate of Indian women,are they all Muslim
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Meraj Uddin on Nov 16, 2014 04:48 PM
Khaleeq, Would you still engage in argument with TS ,given his level of language and mindset? I advise you not to.You cannot st00p to his level. Better quit.He will keep on_instigating till you st00p to his level,I_warn.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Shahid Chaudhury on Nov 16, 2014 06:50 PM
khaliqur rahman sahab,
Education levels for muslim women can be founf from internet (as bad example) ... Even other community poor girls are better off ... please find for yourself !!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Shahid Chaudhury on Nov 16, 2014 06:54 PM
khaliqur rahman sahab,
Education levels for mouselem women can be found from net (as bad example) ... Even other comunity poor girls are better off ... please find for yourself !!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: nonsense
by Shahid Chaudhury on Nov 16, 2014 06:58 PM
khaliqur rahman sahab,
Education does not stop at schools and colleges with books. Education in life includes interaction with people, work with people, ability to do a job and to get more matured in real life and so on !!
Every body is mudding AMU VC's comment. Why don't Smriti don't approve fund for a Library building for Women.If he is saying that Library will be overcrowded, Is he doing crime or saying fact.
In a country where women are left to die after Tubectomy, we are singing other song.Why Raman Singh is not resigning? Why didnt we say that Male should have gone for surgery at Bilaspur?
Noe Smriti Party is in Haryana, Will She stop Khap Panchayat.
Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by Truth Speaker on Nov 16, 2014 01:59 PM
Sorry madam, but ...
Mistake no 1 is that the comments are not against AMU but it's someone's gender biased comments !!!
Mistake no. 2 is why you do not look into the backwardness and lack of growth, education, of one community women in India and everywhere in the world ? Due to Lack of openness and imposed restrictions ? ... Most of the comments are on this angle only !!
Mistake no. 3 is why you do not need to think why only one community members are related to all religious extreimism activities (elsewhere) of Taalibaan, Al-qaida, IsIs, Boko Haram !!! There must be some trouble in the living style and thinking (close mindedness) of these people ... which can take its root to underdevelopment of their women, the mothers !!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by Truth Speaker on Nov 16, 2014 03:29 PM
Sorry, my intention is NOT to blame but try to analyse the matter including its bigger perspective ... for your kind participation and thinking !!!
AMU is only an example how the senior and responsible people run their power on muslim women and do not let them to mature and grow properly !!
The impact must come on the children !!!
Education and freeness to women can be a solution to many problems, because, they are the MOTHERS ... but, close minded people are blocking it, i.e. you are blocking your own good life !!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by harmony on Nov 16, 2014 03:47 PM
If u go by the details mentioned in the article,it is very clear that it is any issue but gender one bcoz PG women are already on rolls of library. The article very clearly compares with other universities which are very 'open' and 'advanced'.It also gives the facilities open to all like reading rooms and book banks.I urge you to read the article and with good mind-remove mus1im from it
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by harmony on Nov 16, 2014 04:34 PM
But the basic point remains that "Why the other girls were denied", just because, they are girls !!! No sir. It is bcoz,their numbers is 4000 and providing safe passage to Central library is an issue.They already provided with adequate books and reading rooms in their hostel/college.AMU campus is scattered and leanly inhabited.PG books are not available in women college and number is limited,so permitted.The values you are stating are common and known to every one but that has to be balanced against other factors.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by Shahid Chaudhury on Nov 16, 2014 06:53 PM
khaliqur rahman sahab,
Education levels for mouselem women can be found from net (as bad example) ... Even other comunity poor girls are better off ... please find for yourself !!!
Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by khaliqur rahman on Nov 16, 2014 04:40 PM
Media does not know that AMU has separate library for women in near by their hostel and secondly this government is bised towards only BHU crore of crore rupees pump into BHU compare to AMU..our honorable education minister has time to visit BHU but no time for AMU ..She must have gone there to correct her fake degree
Re: Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by Shahid Chaudhury on Nov 16, 2014 05:07 PM
However, what the capacity and book quality in women's hostel ? Comparable to the main ?
I cannot comment on BHU and AMU but BHU is very reknowned ... Do you see discrimination ? But, AMU does the same (for Genders ?) ... Isn't it ?
However, education minister does not have a fake degree (hahaha ... upset with her as she made the comment ?) Actually, she does not have a degree !!! However, she has qualities !!!
Re: Re: Hypocrisy at a its best
by Shahid Chaudhury on Nov 16, 2014 06:47 PM
College library and hostel library ? Are they comparable in quantity and quality ?
I hope you can answer this question !!!
And the basic fact remains ... saying 'NO' to girls are OK, when boys are YES !!! And, that is for protection of women in ... great thinking and Justice indeed !!!
You are at pains to explain things to the world. In whole article u mentioned abt the history and the relevance of amu. Good, we didint knew abt it. But, how about the statement made by vc ? You said nothing abt it. You just dumped it.
Re: Nonsense
by Muzaffar Z. Azmi on Nov 16, 2014 01:56 PM
Please Move out of India. Then say muslins are backward class all over the world. There are almost 5 million non Muslins Indians working in Arab Countries. They are living lavish life style.
Re: Re: Nonsense
by Gautam Kar on Nov 16, 2014 02:04 PM
Wrong, my friend !!!
Better you move out to see the backwardness of majority muslims all over, even in muslim majority Saudi Arabia (where expatriates earn money and locals see them with jealousy) !!!
Re: Re: Re: Nonsense
by harmony on Nov 16, 2014 02:29 PM
But dont all enjoy the infrastructure, modern lifestyle,least hastles in these mus1im countries where they try to settle even after retirement.Dont try to negotiate one thing to handle another
Re: Re: Re: Nonsense
by Truth Speaker on Nov 16, 2014 04:15 PM
harmony,
The issue by Kar was different ... Growth of Mouseleems .... Your answer has a different reply !!!
The point is even in Gulf, locals in general are not developed, skilled, educated to do the work by themselves, therefore, they are backwaard in their own country in comparison to expatriates (Except some local rich arabs families) ...
A very detailed analysis that misses the moot point. The furore is not over access to the library as such but over the sexist and derogatory remark of the V.C. The best way to close the chapter is that the V.C., an old man, should say sorry and people should forgive him, keeping in view his age and the senility that usually comes with the old age.
Re: Irrelevant analysis
by harmony on Nov 16, 2014 12:18 AM
Ashish,it is in fact the media,especially TOI which missed the moot point.And the moot point is that when PG girls are already member of the library ,where is the question of gender bias? Unfortunately the HRD minister herself and other 'ready to jump' elements hastened to react without verifying the fact and the core issue of space constraint.Another aspect of safety of women has to be kept on top agenda until India attains the values of west.
Re: Re: Irrelevant analysis
by Ayesha ray on Nov 16, 2014 10:39 AM
It is clear that Muslims do not want their women mix with the world and grow, develop as an Individual !!
And, their common weapon is "Tiger named safety", by which they pull their women back !!!
Haha ... although, they take advantage of other's (other women's openness) for mixing !!!
