last two terms by tamp-ring EVM's there were no chances at all to win. Even this election Congress raised their voice to secure EVM's. How they knew that EVM's can be tampered? they had very good experience during last to terms how to tamper EVM's. Now the fate of nation is depending on EVM's not by people. it is better using manual process instead on relying on EVM's
Re: infact Congress won
by savyasachi on May 15, 2014 12:06 PM
y.day in Andhra pradesh local bodies elections results released. kangrase and YSRCP was down under gutter in both the regions of A.P.
But u see in may 16th what is going to happen. things wud be reversed, most of the M.P seats goes to kangrase and YSRCP. then they gracefully claims it "becaz of cross voting of ppl".
Re: Re: infact Congress won
by Raju on May 15, 2014 12:14 PM
EVM's are big threat. The way congress is showing their confidence needs to be suspected. yesterday dicVijay also shown his confidence.
Its a deal with Congress and BJP 20 Years back that each party will lead the country for 10 years. Fair chance - wait for 10 years and enjoy your term for next 10 years. Simple.
EVM has simple registers which can be changed or manipulated...
Congress will laugh like last election again!! all others will cry!!! SP already warned poll officers that this poll is for nation but their gov is going to remain and they will face serious consequences after elections.
or EVM has only buttons those can be pressed in night as well after deleting all data...
If the congress has really manipulated the EVMs, a result which is not in line with the exit poll results is very much possible in which case there can be calamity throughout the country. That's why congress was keen in appointing the new Army chief in haste for reasons better known to them. Hope the truth finally wins.
Re: Re: Possible manipulation
by savyasachi on May 15, 2014 11:34 AM
the only non-infected media in this country is social media only. (not like rediff).
that is what kapil sibal murmering as "social media is the biggest evil WE are facing now".
these BJP fools r getting carried away with the 5 states elections happened recently. they dont know it is a kang1 trap.
All the_non-CONgi_parties are happy that they have been winning state elections after state elections. None of them care to have the EVMs replaced. And this is exactly what the_CONgress_party wants. They dont hack the state elections and so the non-CONgress_folks win. This puts those parties into complacency.They dont hanker for reverting to the old style ballot paper system. And at that point of time if the non_CONgress_parties claim that EVMs were hacked, the CONgress_party would gleefully claim that it is a case of sour grapes.
despite exit poll predictions, see the confidence levels in sonia's face.
y.day in Andhra pradesh local bodies elections results released. kangrase and YSRCP was down under gutter in both the regions of A.P.
But u see in may 16th what is going to happen. things wud be reversed, most of the M.P seats goes to kangrase and YSRCP. then they gracefully claims it "becaz of cross voting of ppl".
They take care of these things: 1) they never hack state assembly elections. who cares state assemblies, supereme court, vigilance, CBI, ED everything is at central hand. those r enough to secure their looting spree.
2) they dont hack the constituencies of emenient opposition leaders who can win undoubtedly.
3) they dont do rampant hacking, c0ngress only needs seats between 160 to 210 on its own to rule the nation.
1. EVMs are standalone machines and not "intelligent". They are not networked and hence cannot be accessed from a remote location. 2. As an electronic engineer, I can say that EVMs are just vote loggers / counters. When the voting button is pressed, the EVM increments the vote count of that particular switchs. 3. EVM's are transparent to the candidate/party and hence cannot identify the candidate or party. They just log votes by incrementing the count associated with each switch on the voting pad. 4. Of course some EVMs can be faulty like what happened in Sindudurg and Pune. It is coincidental that all votes cast were going to Congress candidate. If the switch position of the Congress was different in the voting pad and the BJP candidate was in that position then all votes would have gone to the BJP candidate. Hence EVMs cannot be rigged.
Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by devedas bhaskar on May 15, 2014 01:52 PM
there is nothing "electronic engineer" about ur comment. you ar trying to give a "technical" justification for safety of EVMs.. but everyone knows EVMs can be rigged( reason why Germany,Holland etc..hav returned to ballot papers). You ar motivated to give support to Congrs as s00niaG is a fellow Kr1stian!!the communal mindset of xians (especially mallu kr1stians) is too well known to need explanantion here...!!
Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by satishgs on May 15, 2014 02:37 PM
EVMs can be manipulated that is true. There is lot of improvement needed on the use of EVM. First Paper trail, which should be made compulsory. Secondly, the storage of the data should get transferred and burnt on ROM: where only writing once is possible cannot be erased even if power goes off, and cannot be changed. once data is written it can be read any number of times, but no change possible.
The autonomous EC should be custodian of this HW across the country and should be neutral too, then it works, other wise, if EC is forced to toe the line of Govt, then any thing is possible, even Fake pre fabricated ROMS favoring a party can be shown as original and cheating can go on...
Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by Srini on May 15, 2014 11:19 AM
I agree with all the above except the fact that they cannot be rigged. They can be rigged provided you have access to them. But the system is quite fool not to allow it.
Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by Raj on May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
An extra chip in the circuit can change all your theory. What rahul is doing infront of EVM anayway???
Re: Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by Mathew Jose on May 15, 2014 11:40 AM
1. There are 16 voting switches for 16 candidates on each voting pad. 2. The candidates are listed in the alphabetical order on the voting pad. 3. Depending on the name of the candidate the order is determined on the voting pad. Hence it is impossible to predetermine the position of candidate / party on a voting pad. 4. If it cannot be predetermined where the candidates name is on the voting pad, how can the EVM be rigged?
Re: Re: Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by savyasachi on May 15, 2014 12:04 PM
dear Mathews, yes i agree it is just a vote logger machine, but when the counting process starts, all the EVMS wud be attached to another "display unit" which is fraudulent, the chips in the display unit can be programmed to display certain incremental percentage of votes polled to certain party member.
when ur vote becoming as a blind, dumb and deaf electron, it can be molded anyway.
recently in andhra pradesh the govt. authorities raided many petrol outlets and sized them becaz they r using a fraudalant display unit that is displaying 1 liter petrol for an actual delivery of 960ml. and they found the display unit can be manually remotely controlled. whenever a person asking them to fill a bottle, they r re-adjusting the display unit to normal mode. they r doing it since a decade, and known to public recently.
Re: Re: Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by savyasachi on May 15, 2014 12:04 PM
dear Mathews, yes i agree it is just a vote logger machine, but when the counting process starts, all the EVMS wud be attached to another "display unit" which is fraudulent, the chips in the display unit can be programmed to display certain incremental percentage of votes polled to certain party member.
when ur vote becoming as a blind, dumb and deaf electron, it can be molded anyway.
recently in andhra pradesh the govt. authorities raided many petrol outlets and sized them becaz they r using a fraudalant display unit that is displaying 1 liter petrol for an actual delivery of 960ml. and they found the display unit can be manually remotely controlled. whenever a person asking them to fill a bottle, they r re-adjusting the display unit to normal mode. they r doing it since a decade, and known to public recently.
Re: Re: Standalone EVMs are safe
by Poly Tics on May 15, 2014 11:53 AM
Rahul checks whether special EVM (special EVM for PM post) is installed all his booths or normal one.
Re: 2009
by nobel on May 15, 2014 11:08 AM
Clearly the EVMs were tampered with during 2004 and 2009. Exit polls went totally wrong. How else one can explain this? I believe even this time they are going to hack it.
Read this report bearing in mind that congress say they don't believe in exit poll results! All exit poll results went wrong last year! Is there something fishy??
It will be impossible to go back to the ballot paper days given the size and population of India now. Ballot paper and ballot boxes are easier to cheat with than with EVM machines. Both systems can be cheated into, but the margin of cheating with EVMs is negligible in comparison ! So we're okay with EVMs.
Re: EVM - Every Vote Matters
by Raj on May 15, 2014 11:07 AM
what if EVM are hacked by cyber hackers and change the figures?? after all we have seen all our Govt. sites have been vulnerable to such hacks..
