The political people when they come out meet a large number of people. It takes place may be every day in case of many of them. And a negative aftermath of it is developed alongside, that of loss of human sensibility. They do not mind even when some of the people die away. If a soldier of India is killed unprovoked and if the Pakistan gov.t does not accept it as a mistake, then it is a largely planned idea. Basically for the existence of Pakistan Politicians and government, enmity with India is a necessity. Only then foreign international powers would donated money and extend other help. For Pakistan politicians Kashmir is an instrument whereby it can create a voice in the international world. They have learned only that method. It is not going to be changed overnight. For common people of Pakistan, Kashmir is of no issue. Till the Pakistan gov.t finds another method of positively projecting it in the international world this bully-bully issues in the boarder would continue. You arrange peace talk with Pakistan they will kill our dear soldiers. And the politicians over the issues of forming gov.t, personal security, popularity building issues have lost the sense of loss of human life. When Indian soldiers are killed unprovoked what did the Indian gov.t do? I do not ask them to retaliate with weapons. But is it good to continue the Bus service, or train service, or other diplomatical activities? At least has the gov.t suspended it for a day or two? This peace talk is a useless
Wipe out pakisthan from the world map, never trust the political system prevailing in this country, they never and will never think about the nation, as they donot have time to do so. So do your duty and protect the honour of Army.
Re: Brave soldiers
by MKRamamurthy on Jan 13, 2013 01:10 PM
I fully agree as Isreal gives fitting lesson to Palestenian provocation we should not hesitate to intrude in to Pakistan territory and wipe-out them.Ramamurthy
Re: Brave soldiers
by raja nisha on Jan 13, 2013 12:40 PM
too late..v had many opportunities in the past to bend Pakistan. All wasted by the spineless govt of the the past..
WITH RESPECT BUT REGRET TO WRITE INSPITE OF THIS INHUMAUN DEED DONE BY PAK OUR POLITICIANS ARE ARE SITTING QUITE AND THEY WANT TO GLORIFY THE FAMILY OF DEAD BY GIVING THEM MONEY & HONOURING THEM ON 26TH JANUARY THIS IS PATHETIC BY GOVT TAKE ACTION WE MISSED ACHANCE DURING KARGILL NOW DONT MISS THIS IF U HAVE BLOOD IN YOUR VEINS
2 nations cannot go for war for the sake of 2 soldiers even though pakistan done a worst incident,proper investigation should be done for how these type of incident take place ? and should be take necessary action to avoid in future,in the war there is heavy destruction and both country have to pay more price.
Re: Re: reality
by PRADEEP BAINS on Jan 13, 2013 12:35 PM
Had a US Marine be killed, entire fleet would have taken an action. We are part of world's most insensitive nation
Re: reality
by Ravi Israni on Jan 13, 2013 12:30 PM
sitting on a couch of ur drawing table on a sunday morning and making such statements is very easy.. imagine if your son is brutally killed in that manner while serving the border. further u are only encouraging the B**tards when u talk peace while they kill.. timely and firm action is must
India is perceived as a soft and meek country by not only its neighbours but by the entire world( recall world reactions to 26/11 terror attacks). The leadership of the country needs to be squarely blamed for the sufferings caused to the people and our defence forces. This will continue with such State of affairs. We always tend to look for godfathers(USA) who have their own vested interests, instead of taking care of ourselves.
It should be always remembered that in Pakistan,the govt and the army are totally seperate and independant -unofficially.In India it is the reverse as Army cannot make decisions on its own.There is the major shift factor.If foreign minister-that lady Hina says something ,their Army bosses care two hoots to her statements.If India resorts to warlike response,Pakistan is no push over.Both countries will suffer terrible loss of human lives and matter.So pl think before making fiery sentiments ofrevenge etc
Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 13, 2013 11:37 PM
Mr. Sushil Kumar,
Chinese are very superior thinkers. They have ensured a stalemate for India vis-a-vis Pakistan. They have also invested heavily in stronger relationship with Russia, thereby thwarting the consequences of 1969 friendship treaty to them. It is the response to Chinese game which must be brought into foreground to fashion a policy response towards Pakistan.
This stalemate has become a great enabler of Pakistani equation with the Islamic world and their quest for importance within Islamic solidarity. The developments in Egypt and Sunni-Shia polity have consequences for India. Besides Middle East, it creates potential for their westward economic expansion towards the stretch from Turkey to CIS nations along with China and possibly Russia.
Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 13, 2013 11:41 PM
Indian response has been to deepen its security architecture with US, EU and Japan; while also seeking to reinforce its strategic ties with Russia; with the expectation that Russians prefer a deeper European engagement.
Re: Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 13, 2013 11:46 PM
Under the present circumstances, there is nothing much India can do except work towards a sovereign consensus with Pakistan. India can not defeat Pakistan, nor can it deter them to cease their low intensity warfare against India.
Escalation of local conflicts will cause more bloodshed but no net gain, nor cessation of low level hostilities.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 13, 2013 11:54 PM
The Indian political engagement with Western democracies is very one sided presently. UPA associates politically to the supercentric lobbies via its strange polity of dynasty. This is at best a short term solution and a very unhealthy long term development for both India and US, for it shall inevitably create a backlash against US the way it happened in Egypt.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 13, 2013 11:58 PM
Chinese surely must be aware of the Indian weakness and may opt to provoke accentuation of this convoluted development towards a likely future disruption of ties.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 14, 2013 12:02 AM
If Indian internal polity changes such that Bhartiyata becomes the touchstone of NDA, while UPA makes Hindustaniyat its core philosophy, while the Idea of India occupies the non-political cultural-managerial-social space; a deeper Constitutional engagement towards a secure strategic engagement with considerably higher economic development potential shall take place.
In this present circumstances, such inward directed change process can bring forth superior external and internal security environment for India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 14, 2013 12:38 AM
So in the present circumstances, what needs to be done is overcome this risky empowerment of dynasty, a propensity encouraged by supercentric lobbies.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India's reaction
by Ramesh on Jan 14, 2013 12:47 AM
As a US citizen and an OCI, look forward to a healthy, bipartisan relationship between the two great nations, firmly founded on principles and national interests.
India Must Reoccupy Pakistan which was illegally curved out of Indian Terrority By Winston Churchill & Mohammed Ali Jinnah .Then the Pakistaies should be expelled into Turkey where they came from
Re: SIMBA40
by venu sense on Jan 12, 2013 08:54 PM
Fool, Pakistanis ,the majority of them are indian origin people. They should be re educated in history and made to feel proud of their past even before 17th century. That probably should be tried before any harsh action.
Re: SIMBA40
by sushil kumar on Jan 13, 2013 11:54 AM
You seem to be confusing Turkistan, from where Babar came, with Turkey. The present name of Turkistan is Sinkiang or Xinkiang, the home of Uighur muslims. it is to the north of J&K state right across Karakoram range of Himalayas. It has been forcibly annexed by China and the Uighurs are fighting for the liberation of their homeland.
it feels secure due to the fact that it holds strategic relevance ------
Pakistani Army was also once British Indian Army. Both armies share common heritage and values. The combined army had fought gloriously in Second World War and sacrificed much. The impact of their glorious legacy in ushering Independence to the sub-continent is not appreciated much in India as it is here in USA.
The WW-II was fought for defending human freedom rights and there is no reason why the fruits of freedom and prosperity for which the soldiers fought gloriously as part of British Indian Armies not reach the vast hinterlands of the subcontinent. For such prosperity, peace with evolving sensibilities which freedom values inevitably bring forth got to prevail.
Pakistan has let supercentric lobbies and China to color its policy making and created an alignment of dependence. This only led to internal intervention and frequent derailing of their democracy and creation of the terror behemoth. It is a far cry from the freedom values for which the soldier fought WW-II.
The compass pointing to freedom values, which can bring the sub-continent closer within its tracts, also brings it closer to the developed democracies including US. The supecentric lobbies in future may not be able to thwart such progressive evolution of polity by prioritizing cold war mindsets.
Re: the compass of WW-II shared values point to true North
by Ramesh on Jan 12, 2013 06:34 PM
The tragedy of Pakistan is that the Left of Center intellectuals and the working class movement which could have emerged out of it has been thwarted by supercentric lobbies on specious misgivings.
Re: Re: the compass of WW-II shared values point to true North
by Ramesh on Jan 12, 2013 06:39 PM
The feudal elements have obtained stranglehold over all structures of governance including Army. As NY Times once reported, the Islamic radicals are ironically perhaps the only real manifestation of left stirrings, despite the apparent contradiction in such a depiction.
Re: Re: Re: the compass of WW-II shared values point to true Nort
by Ramesh on Jan 12, 2013 06:43 PM
The difference is primarily political and confined primarily to Kashmir. Rest of the matters is amenable to negotiated resolution. The crazed response of Pakistani has led to politicization of her Military and Religious institutions, leading to militancy. Defining Kashmir as a core issue has only consolidated feudal interests, led to abject seeking of strategic relevance and undermined their economy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: the compass of WW-II shared values point to true
by Ramesh on Jan 12, 2013 06:50 PM
Abstractions of reality got to be valid if it were to extend to concrete realities. Only pursuit of true comprehension of subcontinental realities can progress be made to dismantle the theatre of internecine warfare towards a quieter and progressive way of life.
