Re: kurien
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Feb 20, 2013 11:29 AM
why should he resign can u pl specify ?.. tomorrow u have seks with a woman and she turns around and accuses u of rspe.. so u should give up yr occupation and hide in a hole ? just coz someone has an axe to grind against u?
Re: Re: kurien
by mahesh muliyala on Feb 20, 2013 12:56 PM
I support 'Morally' Mr.Kurian should resign, even though we consider argument that he paid to use her. Becuase he used a minor for his selfish motive so not have moral stand to chair parliment.
Re: trial by media
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Feb 20, 2013 11:26 AM
these are the wages of political correctness..this is a global feminist racket..a woman or her camp followers have just to say "rape" and any and every interaction between her and some man will become rape from that moment onwards !
Re: people
by Thomas Philip on Feb 20, 2013 11:13 AM
There is no Christian Congress in Kerala.Various factions of the Kerala Congress has Christians and Hindus(Nairs) in their ranks.These groups primarily are pressure groups not for communal causes but for lobbies for farmers,planters etc.The Congress and the leftists have followings cutting across various religious,communal and caste groups.
Re: kerala
by piri on Feb 20, 2013 11:13 AM
Actually, there are two wide segments in the Kerala population. The first looks at society from a larger human angle, with equitable and just living for all the prime concern. For the same reason, environmental issues are also a prime concern.
It is this segment that is the prime support base of the left bloc in the state.
The second segment, however, looks at issues from a narrower (and admittedly stupid) angle of what is widely described as 'development'. This section mistakes the diversion of natural and public resources to a small section of the population (at huge costs to the environment and to the cause of social justice) as desirable 'development'.
It is this section that keeps electing the Congress led UDF and men such as kurien, kunjali and joseph!
Re: Re: kerala
by Thomas Philip on Feb 20, 2013 11:30 AM
The Left indeed played a major role in bringing in social equity in Kerala.At the same time it should not be forgotten that the erstwhile monarchs of Travancore and Cochin,the matriarchal system and the English education introduced by the missionaries also contributed significantly to the evolution of the society as more right conscious and equitable.Development per se is not detrimental to the environment.If there is an adverse industrial climate in Kerala and Keralites have to seek greener pastures elsewhere the trade unions and the leftists are primarily to be blamed.West Bengal under Jyoti Bosu and Budhadeb Bhattacharya had started adopting a more pragmatic approach to investments and industrialisation.Left leaders in Kerala like Pinarayi Vijayan are hypocrites and Achuthananda though well meaning is someone who is a ineffectual angel.
Re: Re: Re: Re: kerala
by piri on Feb 20, 2013 11:51 AM
You are merely parroting out what you have heard from people who are not familiar with or refuse to acknowledge Kerala's specific reality.
1. Erstwhile monarchs of Travancore and Cochin *contributed* to the evolution of Kerala society? In what way, can you elaborate? Well, those monarchs did cause a lot of change in Kerala society over the centuries - they (along with religious leaders and big landowners) progressively took the state to lower and lower levels of egalitarianism! So much so, that by the time Shri Vivekananda visited Kerala in 1891, matters were such that he was forced to react in disgust that the place was a mental asylum!
2. The missionaries certainly introduced English education in the state but that certainly did not cause society to become more *right conscious* or more equitable, did it? The *English education* remained restricted to a small segment that constituted the elite, didn't it? It was only after the famous land reforms of the 1950s and 60s that Kerala really became more equitable than other states, didn't it?
3. Development per se is not detrimental to the environment? Perhaps. But there is a big claim being made (by the UDF bloc) that a lot of *development* is taking place now in Kerala. What exactly is this development? The destruction of more and more tracts of the forests for converting to rubber and other estates? The destruction of forests and mountains for stone and sand quarrying? The giving away of
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kerala
by piri on Feb 20, 2013 12:03 PM
hundreds of thousands of hectares of virgin forest land and fragile hill areas in legal and illegal mining leases?
And what exactly do you imply by saying that Kerala has an *adverse* industrial climate? Because the wages are much more reasonable than in other states? Because polluting sweat shops that are the hallmarks of most of the other states are not allowed to thrive in kerala by a vigilant society? Because capital finds it difficult in Kerala to earn 40, 50, 60% or even more profit margins that is earned as a matter of right in other states? Because labour is not available for Rs. 60/- for 12 hours of back breaking work a day as in many other states?
4. Left leaders like Pinarayi Vijayan are hypocrites? Well, I am no supporter of Vijayan. He is a confirmed thief (like a few others in the LDF and the great majority in the UDF). But Achuthanandan is an *ineffectual angel*? Why? Because he did not permit this kind of *development* when he was the CM? Because he was instrumental in drafting and passing the law protecting wetlands in the state (a law that the current UDF govt. under Chandy has *modified* to permit the destruction of thousands of acres of paddy fields to enable the land mafia)? Because he pursued thieves till the ends of the earth and became the first man in all of independent India who succeeded in jailing a former minister (Mr.Pillai) for theft? Because he pursues the Ice cream parlour case relentlessly?
Re: Re: kerala
by magus mags on Feb 20, 2013 11:21 AM
here its rape not just molestation.a 15 yr old girl.this is not portugese time when u guys sold yourselves to them.
Re: Re: kerala
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Feb 20, 2013 11:33 AM
in today;s india and the "enlightened west" nothing needs to be proved.. if the case is politically correct i.e., representing feminist, casteist etc lobbies.. then mere allegation=proof=punishment.. period !
what this seema and vsa were doing during CPM renure of rules in Kerala for almost 10 years. It is a politically motivated case to have a cusion to bring down the kerala ministry.
Re: Surianelli case
by K Mohanan on Feb 20, 2013 11:06 AM
They were busy in transferring the anti-congress votes they got from Kerala, W.B. and Tripura to Congress led UPA-1 and Mr. Pranab Mukherjee to become President.
What we now see is trial by the media, with the help of the left-oriented people in spreading misinformation.
Just one example: The High Court judgment, acquitting the accused, and now struck down by Supreme Court, was in Jan 2005, by a two-Judge Div Bench, Gafoor & Basant.
Kurien's judgment of the High Court was passed in April 2007 by a Single Judge, Udayabhanu.
Whereas, Seema says that Supreme Court set aside both the above judgment. It has not. So Kurien is still in the clear.
All the victim has to do, if she thinks she did not get justice, is to approach the High Court again against Kurien. That is not happening here.
But what really happening is the handiwork of myopic left parties still using this sensational case for maximum political advantage, with the help of an excited media, trapped in the ever-increasing eye-ball grabbing competition.
Re: Suryanelli - Trial by media
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Feb 20, 2013 11:12 AM
ur absolutely right.. this is not abt left or right parties though! everyone should understand that this type of fundamental social issues shouldnt be used for partisan politics.. in bengal,,a TMC supporter woman named champala sardar had accused some CPM men of gang rape..the facts were very interesting ..she was sleeping with her husband on their bed,under a moaquito net.. the gang is supposed to have some in lifted her from the bed , taken her out and raped her without anyone(including her husband)getting to know ! the medical evidence of course didnt indicate rape or any seksual violence! but still that became a cause celebre for the TMC! here it is clear from the HC judgement that there was consensual commercial seks in the village that was later leveraged and politicised and made into rape ! the so called victim realises that the case can be milked for goodies and compensation/rehabilitation etc once seks can be converted into "rape".. but pl remember that whoever plays the card of political correctnessand populism will one day fall under the same weapons...e.g., clinton, madhur bhandarkar, ashis nandy...the list is endless..
Re: Suryanelli - Trial by media
by piri on Feb 20, 2013 11:20 AM
Wrong.
The current issue is not the alleged 'delay' in the accusation levelled at Kurien. The accusation was raised again by the girl victim only because she felt that the Supreme court's direction to set up fast track courts to specifically try cases of rape and molestation in the light of the Delhi rape case would afford her a real chance to book Kurien. It was because of this reason that she wrote to her counsel enquiring about the prospects of proceeding afresh against Kurien.
And you are suggesting that the girl did not approach the high court for justice. On finding that her plea to the Kerala CM to reinvestigate the charge against Kurien, she is now in fact preparing to move the high court. Didn't notice this news in the papers?
Re: Re: Suryanelli - Trial by media
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Feb 20, 2013 11:35 AM
i dont know what ur talking about piri ! what u hv written has no relation to my comments !
Re: Re: Suryanelli - Trial by media
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Feb 20, 2013 11:40 AM
a commercial seks worker brought in a case of rape against her customers since some people told her that a lot more money can be made this way.. more so since of the customers were politically prominent ..the high court realised that and struck the case down.. now after the unfortunate heinous barbarism that happened in delhi every false rape accuser in the country wants to encash on the current rape phobia in the country.. so now every fast buck maker is encouraged to make atrocious accusations of rape against all and sundry !
