American Media is saying that India had over reacted. In fact, US has over acted while arresting a diplomat. The US media is talking about reaction but they forget that reaction is the result of ACTION. If it is an over reaction then there must be an over action from US side. They are perpetually ignoring this fact.
Re: India's so called over reaction
by Glupin B on Dec 22, 2013 07:08 PM
Why defend a corrupt person...1000 Cr. worth of property...gifted by IAS father...he he he...Indians are f**ls
Re: India's so called over reaction
by Glupin B on Dec 22, 2013 07:11 PM
We sud all thank US govt. because of which we came to know about this corrupt father and daughter!!!
Re: India's so called over reaction
by sameer pandita on Dec 22, 2013 09:25 PM
Shailesh !!! Your views about Indian Bureaucrats are misplaced . This is a breed which has been endorsed to loot the country and take all possible benefits out of it .These guys have even maligned the entire UPSC selection process to the extent that their incompetent children get selected in such aristocratic services and the tradition carries on . Their is nothing like an upright Bureaucrat in this country even if media projects one to be .
Re: Re: India's so called over reaction
by Carlos Dominguez on Dec 23, 2013 12:53 AM
Thanks for clarifying that your Foreign. Service is meant only for your "aristocratic" class! And, this woman diplomat does not meet with your approval since she was born in an inferior "class" than yours! No doubt in my mind, that she is dishonest, and thus deserves to be called back by India and punished for her dishonest dealings. But, it is unpardonable for my country (US) to be hypocritical in harshly dealing with diplomats from non- white countries while they dare not lay a hand on any white or Chinese diplomat even if they are of only Consular staff devoid of full diplomatic immunity.
The action by the US authorities(marshals) and the subsequent reaction from India,if not anything,is downright unworthy of a matured democracy for both.US supports all sorts of usurpers of power,dictators,rogue countries but when it comes to take measured action against officials of a country,they start citing all sorts of rules,without explaining their own hidden agenda.On the contrary,India has diminished their clout and say by behaving so irresponsibly when the time came to work with the world power and mending their ways than resorting to all sorts of cheap gimicks.It`s time that this country gets a leader to lead from the front than a paid technocrat.US will remain a massive power centre for decades to come and will need to be tackled in a more matured way in future,whether one likes or not,unless one wants to be on their own and gloat in his/her locally earned glory.
Re: What a mess !
by hsiyer on Dec 22, 2013 01:59 PM
What Mr. Jaiswal has said above is without doubt true, but it will be worth noting that presently India does not have the king of leader he is talking about and US is not a world power because of the hard of its native Red Indians but the result of the original deportees from UK who established the settlements with the unpaid labour of slaves and latter with the input and hard work of immigrants from all over the world. US will remain the world power as long as it continues to attract talent and man power from all over the world by prosecuting people like the current Indian in question AND also allowing other nations to prosecute US citizens who flaunt the laws of the country they may be in, if they can't guarantee the other than they can't expect the former and should be prepared to face brickbats from those who either don't understand or are incapable of licking US spittle for gaining their grace and their prosperity.
Re: What a mess !
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2013 02:56 PM
Dude, the fair wages rule and the need for filing correct visa application are not "hidden" rules. Despite your "stories" here.
Re: Re: What a mess !
by Glupin B on Dec 22, 2013 07:10 PM
Why wud she need a job after all!!! She already has 1000 Cr worth properties gifted by her father...??
Leave aside the diplomatic immunity,ill treatment etc. one should the doubt the intelligence of the officer to enter into two different contract for wages with one for USA's authorities for immigration visa, one private for Indian courts, with the knowledge that the employee's husband/relatives are the staff of USA's embassy in Newdelhi! it is a right receipe for disaster!
US media is totally right about India's overreaction!
India and its traitor Congress Party doesn't do anything when Pakistan does number two in India's mouth and now India is howling mad because its consulate staffer was arrested in the US!
Re: Right
by Carlos Dominguez on Dec 23, 2013 01:10 AM
Mr.Singh, you are dead wrong. I say that as an American who has seen our media's bias against not just your country, but against all countries, particularly those in Africa, Asia (except for China). Unfortunately, for the peoples of non-white countries, there are "Anglophiles" like you who accept the claims of white superiority and demean your own culture. This woman diplomat did bring dishonor to her country by her behavior and for that her country should punish her and never allow our police to strip naked any of your diplomats and search their "cavities".That is barbaric.
The American consular staff were found inter faring with elections in West Bengal and the Union Government did not take any action against such unlawful acts despite protests from Left Front there. At least from now on such illegal acts should not be permitted least it becomes their right to violate our rules/law.
Re: Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by Ramesh on Dec 23, 2013 05:35 AM
Really? Do you know Satyajit Ray was Left front ideologue, so is Kannada writer U R Ananthmurthy. Infact many of Indian literrary stalwarts have been leftists. Premchand was member of Communist party and represented them in London before Independence. Have you heard of IPTA movement and its impact on Indian cinema.
Not that i agree with their political philosophy or their economic theory but our perceptions of their work must be fair and square.
Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by kraft on Dec 22, 2013 01:02 PM
Do you and your LEFT Front know the concept of Working and Earning your Food and the Rule of Law? I doubt.
Re: Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by Ramesh on Dec 23, 2013 05:03 AM
Please work with facts, go and look up agriculture production and yields of Indian states and then talk.
Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by ranadip datta on Dec 22, 2013 01:14 PM
sorry to say, but West Bengal has no dignity for labor even though the Left ruled it for more than 30 years, unionism is the only thing Left is interested about
Re: Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by Ramesh on Dec 23, 2013 05:10 AM
I have worked in West Bengal and had to deal with labor unions a bit, on computerization related issue, and fallout of a strike. Found the folks as decent and safe as anywhere else. Just like Modi, left has been subject to very unfair and hostile propaganda.
Not saying I agree with the , but communist unions in other states where i dealt with them directly, were lot more reasonable than religious inspired ones, who could be both irrational and unsafe.
Re: Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by Ramesh on Dec 23, 2013 05:01 AM
You are too much taken in by Mcarthyian propaganda. Accept and respect Indian democracy, for it is not easy to comprehend without drilling down to details, and good work done are not always reported, by contending press.
Re: Pampered USA wants more.
by Ramesh on Dec 23, 2013 04:55 AM
You have made a critical point here. The counter to Sino-Pak-US axis of 1971 saw Left front under the leadership of Jyoti Basu and other leaders respond to internal subversion by naxalites, and amidst those travails liberate Bangladesh.
The TMC government has unfortunately, atleast so far, been unable to develop equations and understanding which could lead to permanent settlement. This vulnerability, given the recent down turn in US relationship makes India bit vulnerable.
There are adequate checks and balances with India, and efforts to let any power, play proxy role is risky. If US interferes, most likely China, which has more muscles in the region, and nowadays more money could also venture in.
You are right, --such illegal acts should not be permitted least it becomes ..... --.
What americans don't get is: 1. The maid must have PUSHED to get that position - used some influence to get that position to beat out hundreds of other candidates. 2. American law cannot apply to Indian soil - which is what a consulate is. 3. Nobody forced the maid to join the post at lower pay. 4. This is a civil matter (tort law) and not criminal 5. Not even research scholars get paid $4500 / month in the US.
The whole matter is ridiculous. Either Bharara is polishing his credentials for a higher post, or someone is using his gullibility for sabotaging Indo-US bonhomie.
It is the honor and dignity of a woman, that is compromised and that is what outrages me. A minimum wages case is inconsequential. Data in visa application to that effect is inconsequential. US has emotionally and physically molested an Indian woman that is what matters.
The slaves who served British India and the NRIs will continue to side the US action for their own ulterior motives and I have seen from the posts here. They will talk about equality in the eyes of the law and the Adarsh flat, the lady owns. What is needed here is, introspection of Indian values.
If we can not live the Indian culture, we are still like the slaves of the East India Company and the British Raj. You just do not dishonour a woman. That is criminal. Bharara is a criminal, so is United States of America.
Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Saheb Nagori on Dec 22, 2013 01:04 PM
Honouring a woman and maintaining her dignity is Indian culture. That is the value for which India lives. The corruption is inconsequential when the fight is against outraging modesty of a woman.
Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by kraft on Dec 22, 2013 01:10 PM
Corruption is Inconsequential? No wonder India is like this! Even a hundred Annas cannot improve India with such people!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Saheb Nagori on Dec 22, 2013 01:16 PM
The corruption is inconsequential when the fight is against outraging modesty of a woman. I have not talked in isolation. Now, have your say.
Re: Honour and Dignity
by S Roy on Dec 22, 2013 12:57 PM
Absolutely right. Anyone tolerating atrocities on an Indian abroad and that too of an Indian woman is a criminal. Bharara should be arrested and case of atrocity against minority be filed against him. By the way, this law is applicable in India also, as Devayani is a Dalit. I wonder, why Mayawati is silent.
Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2013 01:22 PM
Dude, Sangeeta is an Indian woman. But you are all set to condemn her just becoz she is not a powerful bureaucrat. Eh?
Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Saheb Nagori on Dec 22, 2013 01:51 PM
If we go by economy, US standard of living is 5 times more expensive than that in India. In Delhi, a whole day nanny is paid Rs.5,000/- a month, living-in with the family of the rich households. This includes doing all the household chores and taking care of the children of the landlord.
This by comparison qualifies for Rs.25,000/- in the US. Sangeeta is paid Rs.30,000/- which is reasonably more than the sum a nanny deserves. Paying Rs.250,000/- per month is ridiculous.
But that is not the question. Neither the status of an Indian woman officer as a bureaucrat. She could have been served a show cause notice through the embassy. Why she was made to undergo indignity of strip search and cavity search like a smuggler ?
A woman is disgraced and that is not tolerable. Let us see how Govt of India retaliates with country elections at the doorstep.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2013 02:40 PM
Saheb
If the maid got 30k per month as promised in india before filing her application, its fair deal. I consider it as a fair deal since the maid's food/ shelter and transportation were taken care of. If 30k was excluding food/shelter etc, then yes she got cheated
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2013 02:54 PM
Irrespective of what YOU think is fair, can you pls explain why Devyani filed a false visa application? That is the serious charge against her.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2013 02:53 PM
Why do you say 25000 is fair? You can say Rs 250 per month is fair. After all you are not concerned with US fair wages anyway. Right? And by the way why did you force Devyani to file a false visa application? THAT is the charge on her. Understood?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Honour and Dignity
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2013 07:28 PM
Against Pseudos,
Thats the main point. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF THE MAID EVER GOING TO US on US minimum wage. There has had to be an understanding between maid and the consular before going to US. So the question of underpay doesn't arise between maid and the consular.
However Visa Fraaaud exists between the maid and consular v/s US govt. So as far as i am concerned, the maid and the consular are both guilty of visa fraaaud. Ignorance is not an excuse in US ( just in case the maid claims to be ignorant) and both are responsible for this.
