Knataka and gujarat are only two states where cong..is not strong...they are creating unwanted pressure from all the sides to conquer these two states..n look at the growth of these two states marvellous..
It is this kind of headings and journalism creat problems where there are none. It is in the interest of journalists to keep such issues raking up and keep them burning rather than to solve them.
Re: Karnataka stamps authority on Belgaum
by Varun on Oct 12, 2012 09:54 AM
dont worry my friend, the one who would ignite e nmity don't visit rediff as they r born i llitrates
Re: Bangalore is part of MH
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 09:49 AM
blore is part karnataka...good joke...ok atleast console urself..just like wat ur doing in mumbai
Re: kannadigatheives....
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 09:39 AM
if u have so nuch fire n guts y dont u come out n fight...belgaum was a integral part of karnataka..just bcos it lies in border u want to grab it saying it belongs to maharastra....first try to take a hold on mumbai..then talk about heroics..ur capital only not urs then wat will u do with belgaumm...
Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:18 AM
Belgaum should ideally been into Maha. It was only because of the fact that North Karnataka dint have any substantial urban agglomerate to accomodate civic offices, had Belgaum been awarded to Karnataka. Now with time, Hubli has developed and can be made the 2nd capital of Kar'taka. Belgaum which has a majority marathi has for decades not been asking to be merged with Maha. The Vidhan Soudha is hence situated 15 kms from Belgaum! Its high time that people's verdict is honoured. @ Aryan - Mumbai has more marathi population than the kannada pop in Bangalore. Hence SS and MNS have been able to capture the BMC time and again. Pls chk your facts before commenting.
Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 10:32 AM
Mr Raj Patil, You statement that "It was only because of the fact that North Karnataka dint have any substantial urban agglomerate to accomodate civic offices, had Belgaum been awarded to Karnataka" is wrong.Please go through Mahajan's report as to why Belgaum was not included in Maharashtra.
"Maharashtra’s claim for Belgaum is of recent origin. Though tabled in Parliament, Maharashtra MPs, especially from the treasury benches, did not vote against the amendment of Belgaum being part of their state. Belgaum is a cosmopolitan city. In 1920, when the AICC session was held in Belgaum, not a single leader from Maharashtra including N C Kelkar demanded that it be part of that state. Geographically, Kannada areas surround the city of Belgaum on three sides and by a smattering of villages belonging to Maharashtra on the fourth. Reorganisation will cause extreme hardship. Status quo should be maintained. From the records of rights of Belgaum city, it is seen that a majority of lands belong to Kannadigas. All the original records in the offices of the amlatdar and collector are in Kannada. On the appreciation of the whole material and assessing it objectively, I have reached the conclusion that I cannot recommend the inclusion of Belgaum city in the state of Maharashtra."
Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 10:35 AM
Marathi presence in North karnataka in areas like Hubli and Belgaum only started after the advent of Peshwas.Before that there was no Marathi presence anywhere.By the same yardstick there are many areas in Maharashtra which have Kannada majority.Would you recommend those areas to be included in Karnataka?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 03:36 PM
@raj.Yes it is true and there have been some demands on those people to be merged with Karnataka.But I personally do not care if it is in Maharashtra unlike MES.
I again repeat, it is impossible for Maharastra also to have 100% Marathi majority areas.Maha too has borders and villages in which other languages would have majority.If these people start demanding secession from Maha would the govt give in to these demands easily and not try to "suppress the freedom movement"?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:40 AM
@ Hari - Can you pls name the areas dominated by Kannadas in Maha and also which are being demanded by the local people to be wid Karn?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 10:46 AM
Places like Akkalkot, jath and a few places in Maharashtra are there which had majority kannadiga population at the time of reorganization and even now there are many villages on the Maharashtra side which have only kannadigas.May be the situation has changed now.Anyway, karnataka is not asking for the merger of any of those areas.I am sure the people of Maharashtra are not bothered about these issues.It is only political outfits which are causing trouble.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 11:24 AM
@hari - Akkalkot is a kannada majority area is a news to me. And by the way, have the local ppl from Akkalkot demanded to be wid Karn? The case is different with Belgaum-Karwar. Pls accept the facts and resist suppressing the "freedom" movement in the disputed territory.
Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:43 AM
@ Hari - Your own reasoning reveals it all. "Reorganisation will cause extreme hardship". It in a veiled voice accepts that Belgaum is marathi dominated and hence should be merged with Maha. By the way, can you then pls explain me why is MES winning elections year on year in the 'disputed territories'? Lets be practical and accept that the locals want to be with Maha. The Indian states were formed on linguistic lines and not on demographic practicality.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 10:59 AM
@Raj, You did not see the rest of the message, the recommendation clearly states that Belgaum is a cosmopolitan city and not a marathi city.It also states that a majority of lands belong to Kannadigas. All the original records in the offices of the amlatdar and collector are in Kannada.
This problem of speaking multiple languages exists in all border areas.There are many kannada speaking villages even in Andhra and telugu villages in karnataka.Should we try to exchange all of them?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 11:22 AM
@hari - U r missing the point. Then why is there a fervent demand to include the disputed territories with maha?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 11:28 AM
@rajpatil, the fervent demand is the handiwork of outfits like MNS and not common people.Would you wholeheartedly accept based on the same logic areas are taken out of Maharashtra, i.e all non-marathi people in border areas make fervent demands for secession from Maharashtra?
Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:21 AM
@Aryan - What guts are you talking abt? Marathis is Belgaum and Karwar have been staging agitation for the past many decades. The Karnataka govt has been suppressing the same by force every now and then. The Kar govt isnt able to digest that the MES has been able to set a solid platform in the disputed territory. Hence they have been resorting to dismissing the Belgaum MC time and again. If you mean that fire and guts resorts to violence, beware of that coz there are 25 lac kannadas living only in Mumbai, forget rest of Maha.
Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 10:39 AM
Karwar has majoriy konkani speaking population and not Marathi.If Goa claims it then it is a different matter.Maharashtra has no claims over Karwar.If you are trying to imply that Konkani and marathi are the same then you are mistaken.Konkani is an independent language from marathi.
Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:44 AM
Maharashtra has more konkani speaking people than Goa or any other area of india. Konkani is more closer to Marathi than Kannada.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 10:51 AM
Just because Konkani is closer to marathi does not mean that Konkani is not independent and konkani speaking Karwar should belong to Maharashtra.Kannada is close to Tamil.Dose it mean that karnataka and tamil nadu should merge?Would you accept that all konkani speaking areas in Maharashtra should be merged with Goa?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 11:00 AM
@ Hari - Locals in karwar and other disputed territories wish to be with Maha. Who are you to question about their language being konkani and its linkeage to maha or goa. Its simple, they want to be with maha and not karnataka. Konkani and Marathi have the same script unlike kannada which is totally different. Its difficult to assimilate two widely different things into one and at the same time maintain the sanctity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 11:09 AM
I know people from Belgaum(even marathi speakers) and Karwar and surrounding areas and they have told me that it is not people but bodies like MES which are fomenting trouble.Both kannada and marathi speaking people are living in perfect harmony in Belgaum too.Who are you or MES to foment trouble? If you still want to argue do it in a civilized manner and not resort to personal attacks here.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 11:13 AM
One more thing.Konkani and marathi have the same script only in Maharashtra both of which use devanagari.Konkani is spread across four states Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka and Kerala with Karnataka having the highest percentage.In Karnataka and Kerala Konkani is written in Kannada and Malayalam script respectively.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 11:15 AM
There is also another argument that Konkani's origin is entirely different from that of marathi.
Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by pattu on Oct 12, 2012 10:39 AM
@raj patil Most of the agitators in Belgaum and Karwar are not locals, but are rented goondas being hired from MES
Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:57 AM
Kannada goons who disturb peace in Belgaum and disputed territories are sponsored by the GoK as there are hardly any kannadas in the disputed territories.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 11:05 AM
Raj, do not use the word kannada goons here, we never abused marathis anywhere.His statement was just that MES as a body is fomenting trouble.BTW I have a couple of Marathi friends and they are extremely nice guys.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 12, 2012 11:16 AM
@chandiras.Please cool down.Do not resort to abuse here.Most marathis whom I have met are decent people.It is just that oufits like MNS creating trouble thats all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 11:21 AM
@chandiras - Godse is a revered figure in RSS and BJP. Karnataka is ruled by BJP and RSS ideals. Isnt it ironical?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kannadigatheives....
by CHANDIRAS on Oct 12, 2012 11:13 AM
@raj patil we don't' want any advice from marathis who were the killers of the Father of the nation M.K. Gandhi.
Re: Belgaum
by priyanka on Oct 12, 2012 10:05 AM
anybody who knows how the states were reoganised and the borders fixed in 1956 know that it is the parliament alone and not any court of the country that decides on the borders. Supreme Court will have no say in the matter. There is no point in being emotionally charged. All are Indians and proud to say so. Fixing the borders of the state is for internal administrative arr angement.
Re: Re: Belgaum
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 10:23 AM
hats off to u priyanka..if every one start thinking like u then there will not be any problem we r fighting as if we r fighting with other countries..good one
Re: Re: Belgaum
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:25 AM
So why are the Belgaumkars protesting being a part of karnataka? The indian states were formed on the lines of language to protect the local language and its demography. Marathis who are in a majority in Belgaum and Karwar are finding it difficult to save their ethos under the Kannada governance. So whats wrong if they want to rejoin their motherland?
Should take action to tap never drying NETRAVATHI river. People can see its huge water completely going into sea when travelling from BANTWAL to MANGALORE.similariy lots of unnoticed resources going untapped..no proper irrigation canals..first should network rivers within a state first.
Re: perrarrinial NETRAVATHI river...so much huge water going into
by Shankar Narayan on Oct 12, 2012 08:42 AM
Do we need to destroy any semblance of naturality still left in our nature to satisfy (unsatisfy) the greed of ever-growing population? Will there be an end to this? I think no.
Re: perrarrinial NETRAVATHI river...so much huge water going into
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 09:43 AM
Mr when u get time from talking about movies and politics first u do survey of ur own state and resources..then u point at others....u people always busy in movies n politics.although 70% of population in the state struggling for basic things..
Re: perrarrinial NETRAVATHI river...so much huge water going into
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 10:02 AM
first go n see how much water is going from ur mettur dam directly into the sea..first do something about that..first take care of ur home then look at others..
Re: Re: perrarrinial NETRAVATHI river...so much huge water going
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:27 AM
Karntaka is a spoilt child. It has issues with maha, AP, Kerala and TN.
ONE MORE REIGN IN WHERE NONE BEFORE. Now develop the area by housing Kannadigas in Tilak territory. Government of India should do similar in Kashmir for Summer Capital.
Re: Re: Re: Bad Idea
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 10:14 AM
u can stand against people who can come up in open and fight not with these....they get in as termites and weaken everything including themselves...
Re: Re: Bad Idea
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 09:45 AM
appreciate atleast there is some effort to retain there land...what we have done to retain kashmir..day by day our border size is reducing in kashmir..
Re: Bad Idea
by Balamurali Shivaram on Oct 12, 2012 10:41 AM
Where do you think the Winter session of Maharashtra happens ? not next door, in Nagpur. The vidarbha region people never feel as part of maharashatra. They are fighting for a separate state. High time they fix their problems and then talk about one town.
Re: Re: Bad Idea
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 11:30 AM
@Bala - Vidarbha people have never been asking for a separate state. its a political agenda set by Vidarbha Jan andolan samiti which has never been able to send a corporator in the NMC. SS is the strongest political party in Vidarbha. MNS has recently opened accounts in a few places. SS is vehemently opposed to separation of Vidarbha. do you still think vidarbhites want to be separate? Similarly looking at Belgaum, its a marathi political party, the MES which has ruled for years. Shouldnt then the 'disputed territory' be with maha!
Re: Re: Re: Bad Idea
by Hari Narasimhan on Oct 13, 2012 05:52 PM
So, you agree that separate state for Vidarbha is a political agenda.Similarly, even the Belgaum dispute is a political agenda for MES and other outfits and not for the people of Belgaum, irrespective of their mother tongue.
Its like US building another White House in California to serve West Coast better. If politicians want to make proper legislations and Executive does what it is responsible for....then we do not need all these gimmicks...
Karnataka has been treated like unwanted child, Preference has always been given to other people in our own state. Current example is cauvery water issue, farmers in mysore , mandaya, bangalore don't have drinking water due to faminine and the PM asks to release water to TN ??? How long we have to take this hegemony... bangalore is invaded by tamils and telugu now.. mysore is also turning into mallu bastion.. time to get out of india and establish our own identity.. get out of india for kannadigas betterment.
Re: IT Time Karnataka got out of INDIA
by indiamerahega on Oct 12, 2012 07:07 AM
We should be proud that people want to come to us. Its ok if they come but no more shall we give any existing part to anyone.
Re: IT Time Karnataka got out of INDIA
by Anand Mokashi on Oct 12, 2012 07:38 AM
u r doing injustice to TN by storing kaveri water. there are no proper canals in karnataka and so water is not being able to reach to people. almatti dam is very near to vijapur but vijapur starves for water . so its poor arigation and canal system kavery water is wasted to nearby lakes but not fed to people of karnataka nor to TN . so first of all there is need to improve own state irigation like maharashtra
Re: Re: IT Time Karnataka got out of INDIA
by aryan on Oct 12, 2012 09:47 AM
mokashi who is storing water how ignorant are you..without even knowing the issue only ur commenting...
Re: Re: Re: IT Time Karnataka got out of INDIA
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 10:30 AM
Western Maha is much more developed unlike northern karn. Karntaka govt is only interested in developing B'lore and mysore. No other area of Karn is worth mentioning wrt to development.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IT Time Karnataka got out of INDIA
by raj patil on Oct 12, 2012 11:31 AM
Ive been there a number of times bro. They are far away from development. And by the way they still are southern karnataka cities.
