Such a phrase is used when one is absolutely sure of what one is talking about and not when one is trying to bluff !!
The HDI report is 'drawn up' by the UN. And by extension, it is drawn up with the help of criteria for development identified by the western nations (chiefly, the US), sure !
Now there are two things that I wish to tell you in response to your bleatings !
1. You grinned at Cuban hospitals saying that 'no one goes near...blah, blah.....'. I am sure you thought that everyone else would be as ill-read about the state of affairs in other countries as you are !
Now the interesting part : In response to the more than half-century old economic blockade imposed on it by the US (that included cutting off access to modern medicine and modern pharmacology developed by its trumpcards - the pharma MNCs), Cuba set a stunning record of developing its own unique system of preventive medicine and community medicine that have no precedent at all in modern medical history !! Cuba has been so successful in developing its own treatment protocols and so successful in making them so effective that Cuban doctors are now sought the world over for their cost-effective and very successful disease prevention protocols !!
Never heard of these things, right ??
Do read about how Cuba has set its own trail in the medical firmament !
2. You will not believe this (but you can check with whatever source you can manage to find to see
Re: 'Kela Admi' : You used the phrase 'Are you aware' !
by piri on Jun 24, 2012 11:54 PM
whether this is true) :
Cuba's success with its unique medical system has naturally invited interest for having that system replicated by other countries !
And among a host of countries that now invite Cuban doctors, there is one nation known by the name of err.......the US !!!
Do not believe this ??
Check again with any source you can find !!
As I referred to earlier, Cuba's cost effective medical protocols have been very successful in disease management and prevention. So much so that patients from the United States who are not so stacked with cash and who find the American healthcare system (that works on the priciple of 'high insurance premium - minimal health assurance') too expensive for their liking have been descending on the island nation in droves for the last decade or so !!
Even the Indian government has considered off and on to bring in Cuban medical professionals to try and replicate their success in parts of India.
You say 'one cannot go near those hospitals without fear of catching diseases' ?? You must be speaking from your experiences here in India, surely ??
if you consider our fertile lands, the bounty of monsoons, the variety of incredible fruits, natural resources etc we should all be healthy and wealthy
it is ignorance coupled with superstition and stupidity that keeps is backward.
no other civilization, if they occupied this land would ever starve
Nonsense!!! All the socialist governments (be it socialist democracies in Western Europe or Communist regimes) throughout the world have the most pathetic standards of living and abject poverty.
Only when these governments introduced capitalism did they see some improvement in their pathetic UTOPIAN BIUG GOVERNMENT-AIDED lives (including China).
All the 'socialist' countries have 'most pathetic standards of living' ??? Really ?
Really ???
Have you heard of this 'little' matter known as the 'Human Development Index' reports ???
Have you ??
And if you have heard about it, have you cared to read about it at all ??
I am sure you havent at all !
You must be wondering what the human development index has to do with standards of living ! I am sure you are !
Then, please take the trouble of going through these reports (which are prepared in detail by the UN, mind you - you cannot accuse the UN of being pro-communist or 'socialist' or whatever, can you) and judge for yourself where India stands now in comparison to where even the most socialist of those countries stand !!
Or compare where India and most other countries stand in relation to where that quintessentially socialist country - Cuba - stands today !!
If you cannot go through the details (that will take a lot of time, mind you) of the reports, at least check the latest rankings of the HDI !
Please check the rankings of Cuba and India and come back and we shall have a nice discussion !
Re: Re: @piri
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 10:44 PM
UN itself is a firm believer in BIG GOVERNMENT!!! What else can you expect from such a socialist setup?!!!
Secondly, who draws up these indexes??!! Lemme guess: the very same Western nations who use their own society as the BASE MODEL for whole of humanity??!!
Re: Re: Re: @piri
by piri on Jun 24, 2012 11:50 PM
All the more reason why those 'anti-communist' nations deciding that Cuba has a HDI rank of 51 while India has a rank of 127 is correctly derived !!
Re: Re: @piri
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 10:46 PM
Cuba!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Are you aware that though healthcare is FREE, the standards of those hospitals are so pathetic that NO ONE goes there at the fear of catching up with some latest diseases in those hospitals??!!!
Re: Re: Re: @piri
by piri on Jun 24, 2012 11:39 PM
'Are you aware' ???
Such a phrase is used when one is absolutely sure of what one is talking about and not when one is trying to bluff !!
The HDI report is 'drawn up' by the UN. And by extension, it is drawn up with the help of criteria for development identified by the western nations (chiefly, the US), sure !
Now there are two things that I wish to tell you in response to your bleatings !
1. You grinned at Cuban hospitals saying that 'no one goes near...blah, blah.....'. I am sure you thought that everyone else would be as ill-read about the state of affairs in other countries as you are !
Now the interesting part : In response to the more than half-century old economic blockade imposed on it by the US (that included cutting off access to modern medicine and modern pharmacology developed by its trumpcards - the pharma MNCs), Cuba set a stunning record of developing its own unique system of preventive medicine and community medicine that have no precedent at all in modern medical history !! Cuba has been so successful in developing its own treatment protocols and so successful in making them so effective that Cuban doctors are now sought the world over for their cost-effective and very successful disease prevention protocols !!
Never heard of these things, right ??
Do read about how Cuba has set its own trail in the medical firmament !
2. You will not believe this (but you can check with whatever source you can manage to find to see
Re: Re: Re: Re: @piri
by piri on Jun 24, 2012 11:47 PM
whether this is true) :
Cuba's success with its unique medical system has naturally invited interest for having that system replicated by other countries !
And among a host of countries that now invite Cuban doctors, there is one nation known by the name of err.......the US !!!
Do not believe this ??
Check again with any source you can find !!
As I referred to earlier, Cuba's cost effective medical protocols have been very successful in disease management and prevention. So much so that patients from the United States who are not so stacked with cash and who find the American healthcare system (that works on the priciple of 'high insurance premium - minimal health assurance') too expensive for their liking have been descending on the island nation in droves for the last decade or so !!
Even the Indian government has considered off and on to bring in Cuban medical professionals to try and replicate their success in parts of India.
You say 'one cannot go near those hospitals without fear of catching diseases' ?? You must be speaking from your experiences here in India, surely ??
Re: Re: Re: when christan sens need more western funds
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 10:02 PM
Remember what those compassionate ChristianMachineries compassionately did to about 800,000 Rwandans in Rwanda not so long ago?!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: when christan sens need more western funds
by Das on Jun 24, 2012 10:17 PM
So now you are complaining that they did not prevent the massacre? So Christian west and missionary not preventing tribal genocide makes them somehow guilty? What pathetically absurd illogical retort from a biogotted imbecile who is immune to abject poverty among his own people.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: when christan sens need more western funds
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 10:22 PM
Preventing the massacre?? The ChristianMachineries (both CathoLICK and Protestant) PERPETRATED the massacre you moron!!!
Re: Re: when christan sens need more western funds
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 09:53 PM
Didn't you see Haiti and Nigeria figuring in the TOP-10 MOST FAILED NATIONS list?!!
Re: Re: Re: when christan sens need more western funds
by Das on Jun 24, 2012 10:30 PM
So? Proves the very point I have been making to much religiosity. Haiti to much religiosity of Voodoosim, and Nigeria deadly cocktail of two large religions leading to competitive increase in religiosity. Unlike nation where religion has been pushed into backgound.
Re: Re: Re: Re: when christan sens need more western funds
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 10:36 PM
I thought you were proud of the ChristianNationhood in your initial comment but somehow suddenly made a 720 degree somersault on religiosity!!!
These are the most pessimistic set of scumbags one can ever come across on this planet. Neither they improve in their own lives nor let others improve!!
Re: Binayak Sen and HumanRights NGOs
by Das on Jun 24, 2012 09:43 PM
You must inhabit some Indian in the nth dimension, where 45% children are not stunted due to chronic malnourishment. Where chronic corruption, mismanagement and lack of forward planning has not led to water shortage, falling water table and contamination leading to rising birth defects. You must live in India where goverance efficiency as as good as any developed nation. You must live in India where food does not rot, where water meant for laterines is not sold, that too in black as drinking water, where corruption and consequent abject poverty is leading to Maoist vioelnce.
Re: Re: Re: Binayak Sen and HumanRights NGOs
by Das on Jun 24, 2012 10:25 PM
Its neithet socialism or capitalism that has left Indians in filth, squalor and violence, it is nepotism, corruptionism and physical and intellectual lazyism. Filth in street, polluted rivers, water shortage, electricty shoratge, and general squalor of like of which is unmatched any where else, is the result. Welcome to imbecile club of optimists.
The world bank has estimated the number of poor in China to be 150 million, i.e., about 11 % of the population. And the world bank used the cut off of $ 1.25 per day (about Rs. 68/-) per capita income to arrive at this figure.
By contrast, India's planning commission has 'declared' the percentage of poor in India to be about 28 % with a minimum cut off per capita daily income of Rs. 18/- per day in urban areas and Rs. 13/- per day in rural areas !
In other words, India's poor in the urban areas are about 4 TIMES as poor and those in the rural areas are 5 TIMES as poor as the Chinese poor !!!
And despite having such pitiable cut-offs, the proportion of India's poor is about 2.5 times that in China !!
What a gigantic contrast !!!
And middle class commoner dunces deny the existence of this situation in India and continue to mutter India and China in the same breath and equate India with China at every turn !
Re: How the Planning commission 'reduces' poverty in India :
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 09:30 PM
This only proves that the propoganda machinery is in working condition in the government!!!
Re: How the Planning commission 'reduces' poverty in India :
by A Rajendran on Jun 24, 2012 09:44 PM
I don't see anything wrong in the comparision. Aren't you Chinese muttering China and US in the same breath? Where is China in comparision to the US? You make a big affair of sending a manned space mission four decades after the US and Russia did it. Yet you crave to be equated with the US. Look before you write.
Re: How the Planning commission 'reduces' poverty in India :
by Das on Jun 24, 2012 10:10 PM
Piri, one just need to visit China and india, and contrast is gross. Chinese are well fed, clothed, even remote Chinese villages are better off than villages in Gujarat, TN and HP. The level poverty and stunted people you see in Indian states be it B'deshi with 24 children i Assam and hundred grand children, Bihar, UP, and many other are not seen in China or any where else. Just looking at the dress, height and general level of affluence (Rs 68 per person daily= RS 2040 per month and for a family of four its Rs 8160 per month and for five 10200 per month, over lakh per year. Whilst China 11% are below that in India thanks to 60yr old Congress only 11% are above that.
The ultimate fall out of a chronic famine is reduced immunity and acute,subacute and chronic infections.The result is sickness and need for antiinfectives.This results in huge market for antibiotics and then you have the superbug in cities. Chemical and Drug cartels NEED this chronic famine to go on so that issues get diverted from basic welfare and nutrition to healthcare which is a capital intensive area for so called development which can generate money and profits for investors.Capitalization of various sectors are prime focus of those who have capital.Equity has no place with Governance dictated by corporate who are interested in their bottomline.Government only has schemes on paper which are basically for gathering votes. Chronic Famine thus benefits Government who can rub shoulders with corporate honchos getting them celebrity status and power,Corporates who make monies and people like Binayak Sen who get awards and recognition.The commoner remains where he is always deprived of food shelter and clothing. This phenomenon is a characteristic of The third world.There are no solutions only discussions and policies and felicitations. "Kuch to log kahenge ,logon ka kaam hai kehena,chodo bekar ki baton e kahi beetana jayee raina" ......Mazi jo nav duboye use kaun bachaye?
Only bad distribution system of foodgrains, which Dr Sen would do well to correct in India by staying in India and by being on the right side of the law. There is malnutrition in a few pockets but that is in the interest of NGOs who get millions as grants to help remove malnutrition. There is NO famine in India, please do not spread canards about our country.
Re: Re: Ther is NO Famine in India......
by Jena Bharati on Jun 24, 2012 09:31 PM
Do nt you find yoursef how poor infrastructure governance is, lack of political will to work together on issues of national importance (famine effect can be mitigated)?? Indigenous NGOs are very corrupt.
Re: Re: Re: Ther is NO Famine in India......
by piri on Jun 24, 2012 09:37 PM
You are too ignorant to debate on this matter, really !!
The governments of the past two decades have been sparing no effort to drum it into the heads of commoners that what they need is the form of 'economic liberalisation, privatisation & globalisation' that they have been promoting (and which precisely has steadily degraded the lives of the poor) and you are harping on the corruption of NGOs as the main reason for poverty levels increasing in the country !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ther is NO Famine in India......
by Kela Aadmi on Jun 24, 2012 10:12 PM
Nonsense!!! All the socialist governments (be it socialist democracies in Western Europe or Communist regimes) throughout the world have the most pathetic standards of living and abject poverty.
Only when these governments introduced capitalism did they see some improvement in their pathetic UTOPIAN BIUG GOVERNMENT-AIDED lives (including China).
