....it stops engaging Iran and stops all trade with it. America still thinks that it can dictate terms to this country. It was America who came down from high pedestal and recognized India as a nuclear-weapon state. It expected India to toe blindly the US political line everywhere in the world. But India did not forget the epithets that the western countries had used against it when it had exploded nuclear weapons in 1998. Clinton had tried to all sorts of tricks to bend India make it roll back its nuclear path. India stood up to the pressure and Clinton had to make a trip to India to mend fences with the rising power in Asia.
India will definitely not be bidding America's line in UN security council if it manages to enter it at all. There is no point in hitching the wagon to an economic loser like the USA. America is actually on daily wages ever since it had managed to avert the daily credit crisis last year. It was duty bound to its congress and its exchequer to reduce its daily borrowings to run its government. Otherwise, its credit rating will be degraded to AA. That's why it is outsourcing the Iran's offensive to Israel to save money.
Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:59 PM
If we deal with realities, it is better only for India to realize the ground reality:
NO American is coming to India for anything (except a consumer market) whereas Indians are waiting in NEVER-ENDING QUEUES for scooting off to the US!!!
Indians need US more than US needs India and that's a BLUNT FACT!!
Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by freewill on Apr 21, 2012 09:00 PM
India will never get a permanent seat in security council in UN unless US agrees.
Re: Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by anant sethi on Apr 21, 2012 09:06 PM
no big deal... like other 175 countries India will can live without a permanent seat in Security Council. A seat in Security Council does not bring meal to us or does it? I understand the improtance of being a part of security council but, do we really need it?
Re: Re: Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 09:08 PM
Then why is India running around like a rabidDog for grabbing the permanent UNSC seat?
Re: Re: Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by freewill on Apr 21, 2012 09:08 PM
anant then why every foriegn visit of PM includes this topic of permanent seat??
Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by anant sethi on Apr 21, 2012 09:01 PM
Agree... In recent times, US firms have adopted hostile aproach against Indians and Asians. This is double standard and Indians can't be fooled any more. On ground, every one know, Uncle SAM and its allies are nothing but PETS and India and China are the two major countries who are standing against their evil wishes. I wish, Asian countries can form a union like EU and then it will be a real challenge for the US and US firms to float on the world platform. I know it is difficult... but I wish it happens!!
Re: Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 09:04 PM
First of all, you should be ashamed of yourImpotency of being unable to stand on your own legs and running like rabidDogs to the US with a begging bowl instead of criticizing the US for not welcoming you!!!
How many want to come to India for anything??!! A perfect ZERO (no wonder, it is an Indian invention)!!!
Re: Re: Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by anant sethi on Apr 21, 2012 09:16 PM
Anti Skeptic?? What is your real name? Post your rela photo at least.
If you know Indian History, you will not speak this kind of language. Your messages on this board are nothing but non sense. What is the pecentage of trace India does with US? Do you know? What is the count of employees today India have in US firms?
I don't want to sound a crazy man but it's wrong to assume taht anyone depends on others. If that is the case then society will not exist. Relations will not exist.
In the pas, a few centuries agon, was dependent of Asians and then Greedy dogs came on this land as friends and showed their true color. At that time who was coming to India? Were Indians going out?
It's matter of times, the table will turn soon. Look at Singapore, it is filled with US/UK citizens. US folks are already running to Mexicu and other Latin American countries to find jobs. soon they will start coming to India...
Re: Re: Re: Re: India will find favor with USA if....
by murali mohan on Apr 23, 2012 08:22 AM
ignore this guy, Anti Skeptic. This guy was bangalored recently. So bit irritated/annoyed, truly _screwed_ and unable to come to terms. So its showing in his response in this thread.
Re: indians r very overhyped ppls
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:43 PM
The problem is that (unlike the productive ancientIndians), the present day Indians contain a lot of junk genes of the sandNiggers which got accumulated in the ArabAndTurkishHarems that has resulted in a hybrid India with very low IQ!!!
Arabs have sold their oil to everyone irrespective of whether they are hostile nations or not!!! Also, the prices of Oil import from Arab countries is COSTLIEST for India unlike Pakistan or even Srilanka!!!
So, the point of assKissing theArabs is both meaningless as well as NOT-WORKING in TRADE!!! It is just one-way resultless AssKissing with NO RETURNS!!!
Re: @Loan Shark
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:40 PM
you have no idea ... oil via shipping tankers is sold in the free market ... interest in Iran is for the gas pipeline
Re: Re: @Loan Shark
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:42 PM
You haven't still replied as to how kissingTheAss ofArabs helped India in anyway better than others who dont kissTheirAss!!
Re: Re: Re: @Loan Shark
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:47 PM
I don't have to reply to a genetically retarded person who thinks that having friendship with others is same as kissing their but.
answer this - do you have any friends? do you have to kiss their but, every time you meet them?
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Loan Shark
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:48 PM
Then, why didn't you have friendship with Israel till 1992 if you are so much intersted in having friendships?
In fact it is vice versa, we don't need America as much as we need our neighbours China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Lanka and other Asia Countries. If the some how India, China and Pakistan are able to clear their difference and start supporting each other then, we actually don't need any western nation. We are plainly tell them to limit their forward looking policies to their dens. In fact, western nations have been playing divide and rule and they are the real cause of instability in Asia.
No one is against the state of Israel, but the western mentality. West uses the unethical practicies all the time to influence its partners and if any one does not fall under their evil tactics, then they start creating negative environment. In this article, the writer is threatening India and Indians to support US to strike against another neighbour IRAN and let me tell you, the day it happens, 1 billion people will stand up and create a stampede to crush the dirty thoughts for ever. India and Indians understand its responibilities and that's why they don't fall for pennies. It's better to live in dark than to allow low standard nuclear technology and we understand the same clearly. Go and find water somewhere else Uncle SAM.
Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:33 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Our neighbours urinateAndDefecate on us!!! Remember Nepal which recently wanted to cancel the VISALESS travel between Indians and Nepalese as well as plans to stop the GorkhaRegiments to be fighting for Indians??!!
Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:37 PM
if those gorkhas are Nepalese citizens, then Nepal is within its right
if they are Indian citizens, their desertion from military would be enough to prosecute/court martial them for treason
Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:40 PM
So, you agree that not all is hunky and dory between India and Nepal!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:45 PM
define hunky dory? if asking visa for travel is not hunky dory then a lot of countries in the world have bad relationship with others.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:47 PM
India and Nepal always had a VISAless travel!! Then why the sudden change in the status quo (only from Nepal's side and NOT from India's side, so be clear on WHO is calling the shots here)?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 10:10 PM
nalayak, there is always a first time ... it's like saying we have never had love marriages in our family ... so the first person to commit to a love marriage is anti-family tradition
Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:38 PM
requiring VISA is good for India and should be welcomed, not scoffed at.
a lot of criminals reach Nepal after committing crime in India
Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:41 PM
In fact, it is the other way around where the HuJIs and LeTs and Dawood gangMembers infiltrate into India from Nepal and India still wants the VISALESS travel!!! So, who is selling the national security? Indians or the Nepalis?
Re: Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:44 PM
then India should also not want VISAless travel ... in one post you oppose VISAless travel, in the second you seem to support it ... what a flip flopper you are.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:46 PM
You fool, I am not supporting or rejecting anything!! I am just pointing out to facts!!
India WANTS visaless travel and Nepal DOES NOT!! The FACTS are as simple as that and if I am wrong on FACTS, point it out instead of beating around George (Hairy) Bush!!
Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by anant sethi on Apr 21, 2012 08:48 PM
That's what I have mentioned. We need to sort out bi-lateral relations with our neighbours first and if we can do so, we will not need anyone else. China is more than capable to supply us better and sustainable nuclear technology as she has been using it for decades. Why do we need any one else if Chinese start supporting us? I am talking sense here and for good you need to read the real message in above article. The crux of the article is that US wants access to nuclear space in India which has been restricted as US companies do not agree to fulfill the bare minimum security requirements while other nations are ready to do so. Today Russians, French and Germans are getting space in nuclear space in India because they have agreed to fulfill the minimum security requirements; instead of coming up with a positive aproach, the writer is trying the well known western method of threatening India and Indians and some fools sittin in front of their PCs try to justify the same because we have some low standard politicians who have ashamed our nations at some point of time. Well, everything is going to change my friend; firends don't remain friend for ever and same holds good for enemies. But Uncle SAM feels that he has the right to rule... pity on the followers of Uncle SAM. If you have brain and some self esteem and then read the article again and then write your message on this message board. If you are another attention seeker like barking dogs on streats, no one can help you...
Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 09:01 PM
Then what has stopped you from making friendship with your neighbours for almost 64 years??!!
Why is it not translating into action and remaining only in HOLLOW WORDS?
SAARC and NAM (both are Indian initiatives) are dead organizations (which even barkingDogs dont take seriously) if you need to be reminded!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: International Relations and the Greedy Dogs
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 10:11 PM
NAM has to be dead since cold war ended in the eighties
the whole purpose of NAM ended with the end of cold war
What is the need to fake friendship with Israel?!! What has Israel done anything harmful to India whereas on the contrary it has been supportive of India (even against US wishes during the cold-war era) while India was regularly being a thorn in Israel'sAss to please their ArabMasters??!!!
The irony of the whole matter is that whoever India regards as FRIENDS are infact HOSTILE to India (except Russia) and whoever India regards as enemies (except Israel) are also hostile to India!!!
Looks like no one is liking the Indian style of AssKissingAndLicking!!
Re: Re: @Loan Shark
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:38 PM
Read history between Iran (not the Zoroasterian one but theIslamic one) and India sirji!!!
As for naming the enemies, well, the name is endless, starting from the immediate neighbourhood!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Loan Shark
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:44 PM
Any rebuttal needs to be backed up by data and all i see from your end is WHITE NOISE!!!
India has proven repeatedly that it is not a friend of US by voting 44 times against them out of 71 times in the United Nations!!
If anyone would have done the same against India, I am sure Indians will also regard them as a hostile country!!!
And the worser part is where a true friend like Israel which has stood like a rock behind India (even during 1971 war against Pakistan by supplying ammunition when the whole of NATO including its ally US was against India as well as voting always in favour of India on Kashmir), India has responded like a filthyTraitor by siding with thePalestinians and voting against Israel apart from cutting off all relationship with them till 1992!!!
No sane guy would ever regard India as a reliable ally!! No wonder there is NOT a SINGLE reliable ally of India (be it in immediate neighbourhood or anywhere else) except Israel and Russia to a certain extent!!
While I agree that Indians have a tendency to overestimate their importance, I can't help wondering at the same time whether the US can really afford to lose a friend like India, which is a beacon of democracy (however flawed it may be) in this part of the world. The credibility of US will take a hit if it doesn't support countries like India, at least on paper.
Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:22 PM
India has proven repeatedly that it is not a friend of US by voting 44 times against them out of 71 times in the United Nations!!
If anyone would have done the same against India, I am sure Indians will also regard them as a hostile country!!!
And the worser part is where a true friend like Israel which has stood like a rock behind India (even during 1971 war against Pakistan by supplying ammunition when the whole of NATO including its ally US was against India as well as voting always in favour of India on Kashmir), India has responded like a filthyTraitor by siding with thePalestinians and voting against Israel apart from cutting off all relationship with them till 1992!!!
No sane guy would ever regard India as a reliable ally!! No wonder there is NOT a SINGLE reliable ally of India (be it in immediate neighbourhood or anywhere else) except Israel and Russia to a certain extent!!
Re: Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:26 PM
the smart thing would be fake a friendship with either and get weapons from Israel and oil from Iran
Re: Re: Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:29 PM
What is the need to fake friendship with Israel?!! What has Israel done anything harmful to India whereas on the contrary it has been supportive of India (even against US wishes during the cold-war era) while India was regularly being a thorn in Israel'sAss to please their ArabMasters??!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:35 PM
Arabs have sold their oil to everyone irrespective of whether they are hostile nations or not!!! Also, the prices of Oil import from Arab countries is COSTLIEST for India unlike Pakistan or even Srilanka!!!
So, the point of assKissing is both meaningless as well as NOT-WORKING in TRADE!!!
Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by saint del on Apr 21, 2012 08:23 PM
very true and the statement that India is taking US for ride is true. Then what should we call N.Korea and Pakistan. I cannot put that here :)
Re: Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 21, 2012 08:25 PM
Well, your comparision with Pakistan and NorthKorea in itself clearly demonstrates the true standard of India and who are India's equals!!
Re: Re: Re: The credibility of US is at stake
by Loan Shark on Apr 21, 2012 08:29 PM
he is not comparing ... read again ... he is using them as extremes
for example, if this 30 minute taxi ride is torture for you, what will you call a 10 hour journey by bus.
