This fellow is funny crook. If he loves India so much why did he ran away to europe and stayed there for 60 years (almost all his useful life) ? He must first answer this question and then blame those who do not know ghalib and faiz. People are finding it difficult to make ends meet with so much price rise and population growth, and this crook is praching philosophy. He must return to europe and die there, we indians neither want him or ghalib, we want bread, housing and clothing at affordable prices.
Re: Re: Re: Hi
by devedas bhaskar on Sep 09, 2011 11:44 AM
hindus say , " sarva dharmo sama bhava" ie; all religions are equal..hindus also say " vasudhiva Kudumbakam" the entire humanity is family of god..yet gangiji cud not prevent partition of india...shows the divisive nature of 1slam..!
What is said is true enough, but Mr.Raza has mentioned only poets of the Urdu literature, excepting Tagore who of course is well known throughout India, courtesy his Nobel. What about other great poets from other parts of India, say Kamban or Kuvembu or any great writer from any region of India. Let me make it clear, I am not trying to bring in regionalism here, but if an eminent painter like himself is not aware of the other great writers/poets from other parts of the country when refers to forgotten writers, how can the common man be expected to. When you talk of great writers not being remembered in India which has such diversity, your sampling should have writers from various regions.Is Urdu/Bengali literature the only benchmark of great works in India?
And things are not as bad as they seem. At least Tagore, Ghalib are all in the national consciousness to some extent (particularly Tagore), due to various promotions being done by the Government. But many other great artists are languishing in the shadows nationally and are know only in their own states. Mr.Raza's statement itself is an indicator of the current state of things as to why writers are not remembered. You can't fit Indian artists from a small demographic/regional group and then say that they are not remembered, because they don't represent India fully.
Re: Valid Points - But Not Comprehensive
by Prashanth DSouza on Sep 09, 2011 11:20 AM
Well agree to your point to some extent. But isn't it imperative for poets and writers to move from the regional sphere into the national sphere as well? Tagore is relevant in India not just because of his nobel, but also because he gained respect nationwide for actions and deeds that were for India, and not just Bengal. Most of the regional poets have languised in their respective domains for whatever reason, but have not tried to gain the respect of the entire country at large. Of course, the only things happening to facilitate this are some of the awards and some adaptations of their works into movies. At a larger level, there has to be integration among the intelligentsia as well so that a coherent national platform is created for this. How I don't know, but it is definitely possible. And once the platform is clear, the media will also support it...like for instance the Jaipur Literary Festival, which is growing in stature year on year.
Translations also could be attempted, starting with one writer per state or some such way. Translations should be into all the classical and/or recognized languages as well. Even so, it is essential that the contemporary literary and poetic talents come out and avail of the media to address the nation at large, rather than just their region. This however is something that cannot be forced.
A national library is also something which needs to be in place for books to be available to people in time and more conveniently.
Re: Re: Valid Points - But Not Comprehensive
by brahmarakshas on Sep 09, 2011 11:37 AM
//Most of the regional poets have languised in their respective domains for whatever reason, but have not tried to gain the respect of the entire country at large. //
I would like to disagree on this. I can give you many instances of writers/poets who have done a lot to further the cause of the country. For e.g. the firebrand poet Bharathi,Karanth who did great service to rescue the old art of Yakshagana. So when you say that other poets did not do anything, it seems insulting to their great contributions.
And what exactly should a writer/poet/artist do to //gain respect//? His works are the first level to judge him and they speak for themselves. Without knowing about them, we can just simply say they did not do enough to gain respect. If for e.g I am not aware of the artists from say the north-eastern parts of India (e.g. Bhupen Hazarika), can I say that there are no great arist there?
I agree with you suggestion of having more translations that would bring the works closer to more people. The Jaipur festival you have mentioned is a good starting point too.
Finally, as an avid reader, I can say with conviction that great writing is happening in many Indian vernacular languages.
Our Govt remembers only Jawahar lal Nehru Indira Gandhi Rajiv Gandhi Sonia Gandhi ANS rAHUL gANDHI A ll others are useless Every govt program school hospital air ports etc has these names only They are the only leaders india has produced in its 5000 years old history
any muslims from film, music, poetry, give other examples who are muslims only! they will not give examples of Hindu, Sikh, christian stalwarts in the same field. Why they are muslim first and human being afterwards?
After 3-4 days, even our politicians will forget the bomb blasts :) How can we remember muzzi painters when most of our own countrymen are being forgotten?
All that Raza says is so true that it leaves no scope for a debate. Yes we have lost the plot! The appreciation can only come if the masses are attached to the various cultural facets that India has. For instance, wearing a dhoti in office is blasphemy today. The reason is that West developed the avenues for earning money and therefore as we understand the importance of culture, we are also clever enough to prioritise our needs and therefore follow the western culture in our work front to earn our dialy bread. This following sips through our general life as well and so the ignorance about the Indian culture has become so very acute. This will not go till we follow the principle of 'catch them young'. The schools must teach Sanskrit as a language and instead of the moral science classes there should be classes that highlight the uniqueness of Indian heritage and culture. But all the analysis should be scientific and not purely devotional. Lastly,one word of disagreement with Raza - Tagore should never be made to sit in the same bench where Ghalib. Mir, Kalidasa is sitting. Tagore treaded a far bigger canvas these any of these names. He defined the very culture and language of a race. The contributions just go unmatched and the quality is beyond a measure.
Re: The balancing act
by Nitin Ujgare on Sep 09, 2011 11:05 AM
A bangla will promote a Bangla only and go to any length to eliminate others, highly communal tribe this!
Re: The balancing act
by ar on Sep 09, 2011 11:29 AM
bengalis are only dirty politics man, wear your dhoti and play politics you are fit only for that. For you only bengali is good and great, reality is that you guys do not work and you are lazy, fit only for dirty politics.
