The Indian Penal Code has always been lenient to the fairer sex....not only in Civil and matrimonial matters but also in criminal matters...it seems...
A humanitarian angle needs to soon be devised such that for the fault of some people..men, women regardless..an non fairer half of the population is not made to suffer... Else the entire social system can actaully fall apart...
Re: bias in IPC
by abhijit mukherjee on Jul 05, 2011 05:59 PM
It is also imperative to see that under the umbrella of "the downtrodden and the always wronged" lot in our country...some criminals doesnt actually getaway with Criminal as well as Social Crimes...
Why every one is blaming Maria now?? I neither ask to support her , but I want to make a point that neither Maria nor the Judge is to be blamed, it is our LAW which is to be blamed....today Maria, yesterday Jessica's murderer. This tells us that, to escape from a crime, one need not be a influential person, even a common man can also use the loop holes of our IPC and walk free. Start thinking and start fighting against the root cause, the INDIAN LAW and not justice for each case, every time a criminal walks free. For Example, take the scenario of Kasab, the survivor of Mumbai attacks, the wholw nation and the world knows that he is the attacker from pakistan and we are simply spending crores of public money for his security in contrast to what US did to Osama....this is all because of our judicial system. We should start fighting for the betterment of our LAW system.Until such modifications happen, criminals and corrupt politicians like we see roam happily within us.
It is sad that justice could be fabricated to such an extent when killers move out scott free by bribing the system.Maria & Emile should not be given any respite , they should be punished for committing the heinous crime.
Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Das on Jul 05, 2011 06:01 PM
Where does this line separate North and South, which suddenly turns those inhabiting south of the nation into paragon of virtue and north as land of evil? Let us grant for a moment your idiotic unsubstantiated supposition that he went there uninvited, did that merit his murder and mutilation? Why did these folks, being according to you from south and therefore inculcated with ‘right values’, not do as is the norm and report him to police. Or do these ‘right values’ inculcate that young people should be knifed and then cut into pieces? It is strange that these people from land of ‘all virtue’ and with ‘right values’ resorted to the most barbarous act of murder and mutilation, that too of someone who from all accounts went there on this woman’s invitation. Your idiotic bigotry and petty small mind has made you oblivious to universal truth that good and bad folks exist in all nations, regions and societies and geography, race or ethnicity should never be used to judge any sentient being.
Re: Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Vivek Dev on Jul 05, 2011 07:07 PM
Your are getting hot under the collar for nothing. The first thing to understand is that common decency demands that you dont end up in some one's finacee's house at night. If you do so you are taking a huge risk. If you are playing around even with a normal guy's fiancee you are asking for trouble. This fellow was a navy guy trained to defend his turf and he did it. What would you have done in his place?
Re: Re: Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Das on Jul 05, 2011 07:47 PM
What is common decency to you may seem like snub and insult to another. There are no universal agreed norms of decenct/indecent with regard to how young people interact. What was regarded as indecent, such as marrying out of caste, divorcee with children or religion in the recent past is quite decent now. The defence does not involve muder, it is only matter of time that justice will be seen to be done. Your argument that justice should involve killing is barbaric an has no sane takers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Vivek Dev on Jul 05, 2011 09:09 PM
Das: Common decency underpins all civil values. What is my property is my property, what is your property is your property. Neeraj was trespassing on Jerome's property, so he got it. He deliberately provoked Jerome. THere are precedents to such cases where law has ruled in favour of the aggrieved. Jerome and Maria were victims they fought back. Neraaj was kabab me haddi, knowingly.
Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by alexander masilamani on Jul 05, 2011 05:59 PM
Murder is murder let it be anywhere in india.India is one.This murder is very very serious one.
Re: Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Vivek Dev on Jul 05, 2011 07:09 PM
Northies murdered 3,000 fellow northies, nobody has been punished in 25 years. In some parts of the country murder is well sort of ok
Re: Re: Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Das on Jul 05, 2011 07:39 PM
You can’t use this rather dim argument of moral equivalence to justify murder. FYI, Tamil tigers southies have been butchering even more their own as well Sinhalas and vice versa.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Neeraj supporters want mob justice
by Vivek Dev on Jul 05, 2011 09:12 PM
Das; This is not an isolated instance of north indian insensitivity. Hundreds of instances can be given including dowry deaths, honour killings and so on where the northies are fine with the killing. There is a pattern here, why they are so vocal over one killing? It is because they feel insulted that some southie has got away murdering one of their own. They are not interested in justice, they want mob justice.
Just 3 years for brutal killing??????. Life is made easier in India by our Laws, now kill somebody and just pass time inside jails for 3 years no work no tension(If you have enough money to bribe the authorities, even you could get all the comforts inside jail). Its not only the court but the parents, dependents or relatives's opinion also sought while giving judgement. Because they are the one who suffered. The judgement should be based on 50% evidences and 50% dependents or parents opinion. No human rights commisions should be involved, because they dont know the sufferrings of the parents, dependents
Re: Re: Indian Law
by Vivek Dev on Jul 05, 2011 06:07 PM
Rediff is deleting messages casting any aspersions on Neeraj Grover, but allowing people to shred Maria, law, legal procedure, judges, judgment, Jerome.
Re: Indian Law
by Vivek Dev on Jul 05, 2011 05:48 PM
Not for brutal killing, for helping in destruction of evidence. That is okay. How many killers of Sikhs were hanged by the way?
Re: Indian Law
by HelloWorld on Jul 05, 2011 06:14 PM
But the prosecution could not prove that Maria killed Neeraj. It was Emilie who killed him and he got 10yrs of jail. In this case probably the defence was stronger than the prosecution. Why blame the Judge?
