You said that all these 1400 yrs were criminal kings. So you should agree that all mughal kings wwer also criminal. And one criminal demolishedahinduworship place and buildhis worship place. So, if you stick to your point about criminal kings in 1400 yrs, then what baberdid was wrong.
Re: Re: Wahaj
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:56 PM
So your forced forefathers never respected kalips? And can we do away with the wrteched qutb minar erected by one of your wretched kings?
Re: Re: The onus
by mohd uddin on Jan 13, 2011 02:58 PM
Dear Wahaj! For a change, how about refraining ourselves from using the "choice of words" which the other hate-group uses with 'devotion'?
It is not objectiveness. you havent answered to my question. In american countries and in western countries they give full rights to their minority mzlms to pray and have given freedom of their expression, and speech. But can this same happen in islamic countries? NO. Why? Is that the reason, that the fear people would come out of it? Give straight answer, and dont divert by copy and pasting from other articles.
Re: muhamad uddin and wahaj
by mohd uddin on Jan 13, 2011 03:28 PM
Dear Subbu! The world we reside in is an imperfect one! Nowhere will you get all the moral yardsticks fulfilled. Why are our politicians busy garnering wealth? Why are they not getting tired from sucking the blood of helpless citizens? So on and so forth. Therefore first remember that there are problems all around. So, you are bothered that Islamic countries suppress "expression & speech". But i feel every nation has a right to decide how it wants to run the daily affairs. You should oppose when they are going with their "way of governance", and infact u should raise a voice if its the other way. And your imagination that "people would come out of it" is ill-founded one. If that was true, you wouldnt see a single practicing believer in coutries which have "freedom of expression! However, personally, i feel that the "restrictions" which your are "seeing" has got more to do with power than religion. All the forms of governance are classic example of the political axiom 'power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'. And fyi, my christian friends who are in UAE have a view different to that which you are propagating. Most of the GCC the minorities are allowed to practice their religion.
Re: Re: muhamad uddin and wahaj
by Subbu on Jan 13, 2011 02:45 PM
Then what happened in punjab pakistan now? why ws that governor shot dead? it is happening every where. Dont give arugements for each and everything.
Re: Re: Re: muhamad uddin and wahaj
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:57 PM
Hey,the killer was speed testing his automatic and the guv walked into the line of fire. It was an accident,pal
Aastra We have only 50 Year History beginingg birth of msnger... 1400 year History thereafter is NOT OUR HISTORY... it is History of Kings the world over.
Kings were criminal animals everywhere, everytime except in mythical stories
DO NOT HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT HISTORY... DO NOT ASSOCIATE MY FAITH WITH THAT HISTORY
If you get it into your brain, 90 percent of your problem would be solved
Re: @Aastra... : Do not Invoke History of 1400 Years
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:45 PM
You have gone one up over ZN, where laughter value is concerned.The joke you posted above is awsome. So you don't care about your great calips?
Re: Re: @Aastra... : Do not Invoke History of 1400 Years
by JGN on Jan 13, 2011 02:43 PM
Wahaj, then there only three and a halfCaliphates in the entireHistory ofIslam. Now stop glamourizing the pre-nationArabia. We cannot go back to SeventhCenturyArabia in a TimeMachine.
Change with time or time will change you. That is the rule of nature.
Re: @Aastra... : Do not Invoke History of 1400 Years
by Subbu on Jan 13, 2011 02:42 PM
What does those criminal animals doing? Arent their following your same faith? So , what else should be provided for the extremism. 50 yrs of what you said, can be accepted, for namesake. Then after that since the people of your faith are following for 1400 yrs. The happening since all these 1400 yrs and still continuing, are mentioned. So dont cry and get agitated
Re: Re: @Aastra... : Do not Invoke History of 1400 Years
by JGN on Jan 13, 2011 02:44 PM
UmayyadDynasty made cursing PrftMohd and his family a part of HajRitual.
For the records,who were the enemies of your brethern 1400 yrs ago? Half the countries you listed didnot exist until 3 centuries ago.But with the sword on one hand and the q in the other hand,a non stop geno'ide was started. And you are a victim of that same events.Somewhere you are a progeny of an enslaved forfather but you are fighting for the same cause that enslaved your forefathers, to start with.
Re: wahaj
by Wahaj Faridy on Jan 13, 2011 02:32 PM
Aastra We have only 50 Year History beginingg birth of msnger... 1400 year History thereafter is NOT OUR HISTORY... it is History of Kings the world over.
DO NOT HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT... DO NOT BLAME MY FAITH FFOR THAT
If you get it into your brain, 90 percent of your problem would be solved
Re: Re: wahaj
by JGN on Jan 13, 2011 02:36 PM
Wahaj, then there only three and a halfCaliphates in the entireHistory ofIslam. Now stop glamourizing the pre-nationArabia. We cannot go back to SeventhCenturyArabia in a TimeMachine.
Change with time or time will change you. That is the rule of nature.
Re: Re: wahaj
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:35 PM
If so, why make a big fuss about the ayodhya issue. If what happened before 1947 concerns you guys, why do you worry about your disused struture in that town?
Re: Re: Re: wahaj
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:35 PM
If so, why make a big fuss about the ayodhya issue. If what happened before 1947 concerns you guys, why do you worry about your disused struture in that town?
Re: Re: Re: Re: wahaj
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:47 PM
That place of worship, if the Q injunctions are to be read, ceased to be a place of worship. It was disused for many decades.Why the fuss?
Re: Re: wahaj
by Aastra on Jan 13, 2011 02:31 PM
When history books of many green nations says that non greens are najis/impure, where are the younsters gonna get the right orientation. They only worry about the shades of henna,length of pyjams, the seperation between the end of pyjama and the ankle, the kind of beard, the color mixture of the towel then wrapt their necks with etc etc.
Re: Re: Re: wahaj
by JGN on Jan 13, 2011 02:37 PM
Wahaj, then there only three and a halfCaliphates in the entireHistory ofIslam. Now stop glamourizing the pre-nationArabia. We cannot go back to SeventhCenturyArabia in a TimeMachine.
Change with time or time will change you. That is the rule of nature.
mohd uddin, the pre-requisite for peace to prevail on earth is to understand that this is the ONLY life we have got. The funfilledParadise existed only in the fertile imagination of some sur-realistic visionaries. There is no sou1, no re-birth and absolutely no "LastDayOfJudgement". Death is THE end. Nothing survives death.
Live and let live. Pl don't harm any one for getting rewards in an imaginary life here-after.
Re: Live and let live
by mohd uddin on Jan 13, 2011 02:30 PM
Dear JGN! Why are u "hell-bent" on propagating your way of thinking? If you are happy with "imagining" some theories as "scientic truths", then so be it! Let's not force our "imaginations"!! The necessity is to form one common-platform and work together for peace. I dont see any other way round.
What really surprizes me is that liberal muslims like you are eager to teach the non-muslims but you have not even once responded to Wahaj, who is showing full of hatred for every one outside his charmed circle.
What are we supposed to undersand from your silence?
Re: @ mohd uddin
by Wahaj Faridy on Jan 13, 2011 02:26 PM
I show contempt for those who preach hatred against my community for sins that they too committed against my community in much bigger volume... be it Indians, or powers in west
Re: @ mohd uddin
by mohd uddin on Jan 13, 2011 02:26 PM
Dear JGN! My mistake! You can say that its "force of habit" that i was just glancing on the messges from fimiliar names. If Mr.Wahaj has shown hatred then i condemn it.
Re: Re: Re: @ mohd uddin
by mohd uddin on Jan 13, 2011 02:38 PM
Dear India 1010! (Nice i.d!) So, you want me to jump the bandwagon and criticise someone just 'cos u criticised? As i keep saying, the problem is on the both sides; unless we acknowledge this, we cant find peace.
Re: Re: Re: @ mohd uddin
by JGN on Jan 13, 2011 02:29 PM
Wahaj Faridy is also a very familiar name onRediffDiscussionBoard. Just go thru the previus pages. He has posted about 50 messages today itself!!
