Marathas were smarter they knew where danger was coming from. Today INdians are confused thanks to media and sick intellectuals. Divided we stand a chance, united we are confused.
The Marathas were not defeated in Panipat War by Mohammad Shah Abdali. The defeat was due to non co-opearation of Holkar and Scindhiss of Indore and Gwalior respectively.
Re: Defeat of Maratha in Panipat War
by jai telangana on Jan 14, 2011 08:32 AM
Atleast marathas fought. Moron, Nizam was busy spoiling Telangana hindu girls. Hindu girls were picked up from the streets or fields at any time at the will of muslimm nobles and raped
Re: Re: Defeat of Maratha in Panipat War
by HinduJihadiLeader NarendraModi on Jan 15, 2011 06:08 AM
THE FACT IS... MARTHAS TRIED TO CONQUER THE REST OF INDIA!!! AND AFGHANS ALSO TRIED.. NO ONE WAS ABLE TO DO IT...
EVERYTHING ELSE IS FALSE!!!
NOW MAHARATRA BASED TERRORIST GROUPS LIKE SHIV SENA, RSS BASED IN NAGPUR AND THIER ALIES AND TRYING TO CONTROL INDIA AGAIN... THEY SHOULD BE DEFEATED..
Now we have to fight de-marathisation of Maharashtra because of the huge influx from north, south, east. This will only aggravate over the coming years as Pak, Afghan, Bangladesh will expel their HIndu communities who will claim natural right to migrate to Mah. Also with West Bengal set to become part of BD, Bengalis will be migrating en masse. All these people will bring in their anti-Mah values with them.
India today is facing a very dangerous and determined enemy in Pakistan.Pakistan's prime objective is to re-establish Muslim Rule in India.It has joined hands with China. By conceding part of J&K to China,it has allowed China to build a road into Pakistan aimed at securing supplies from China via this road.
Now China has also become another dangerous enemy for India by occupying Tibet by force.
India is now in the most dangerous location and security of India is greatly threatened.Hence,India needs to learn lesson from the lost battles of the past and take urgent steps to meet the challenge.
On the face of it,India needs to strengthen secure ties with Korea,Japan, Vietnam, Philipnes,Indonesia,Burma in the east,with U.S.A, UK,France and the EU in the west and with Australia and NZ in the South. In the North our ties with Russia are very important but the nearest north and the nearest west requre lot of attention.
Risk factors in all wars remain static hence lessons from these are of very vital importance.We always need most upto date weapons,higest training in tactics along with well trained army and the youth of the nation,secure relations with friends and high alertness to overcome the dangers immediately.
Re: LESSONS FROM THE LOST BATTLES
by shree buck on Feb 06, 2012 03:18 PM
excellent reading between the lines...This is the need of hour than focussing on Caste, region and other trivial issues. One thing is crystal clear - "India ruled by Indians"
Re: LESSONS FROM THE LOST BATTLES
by Tapan Singhal on Jan 15, 2011 02:34 AM
Finally someone who could put the lessons of Panipat in the current modern day perspective. Thanks Keshav.
Ahmad Shah Abdali retreated and was defeated by Ranjit Singh whose victorious army marched into Kabul in 1812. Thousands of Afghans in Peshawar, Kandahar, Jalalabad and NWFP embraced Sikhism. Instead of beheading the defeated Afghan king Ranjit Singh took his most valuable posession - the Kohinoor and brought it back to India. Its about time India makes serious effort and get the Kohinoor back from the British.
Re: I would have preferred Marathaisation
by buddycig@rediffmail.com on Jan 14, 2011 08:30 AM
u would end up giving haftas every single day on xcuse of some party fund or for some religious functions and u and ur family would harrased every time u step out of ur home by those so called sainiks of shiv behenji jago aur haqeeqat pehchano.
Re: Re: I would have preferred Marathaisation
by jaapaal maatre on Jan 14, 2011 10:31 AM
thats better than being forcibly raped, looted, procastinated and slghtrd in some hindukush.
The author deserves credit for his objective assessment and candor in highlighting what really went wrong - things that are usually whitewashed in government sponsored publications. More such objective research into Indian history is very welcome.
"The freedom that Indians lost was only regained in 1947" The concept of a united India did not exist until 1857. What freedoms did Indians enjoy before 1947? We were the slaves of every damn monarch since civilisation started. We got our freedom only after 1947. The author is a complete moron.
Re: What the hell
by netizen netwala on Jan 14, 2011 05:29 AM
spot on. Looking at the first map, had it not been for the British, modern day india was sure to have been disintegrated into atleast 10 countries by 1947 and possible thrice as many by now. MODERN DAY INdiA WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE BRITISH WHO TOOK AWAY THE MONARCHY. AND YOU CAN IMAGINE KNOWING THE INDIAN CULTURE THE WAY WE KNOW NOW, HOW THE TYPICAL INDIAN MONARCH IN THE LATE 1900S WOULD HAVE TREATED THE SUBJECTS.. WORSE THAN THE DUST ON THE FEET
Re: Re: What the hell
by Kumar S on Jan 14, 2011 06:44 AM
Britishers coming to India changed our fates. Else the whole region of current India would be Islamic.
Re: Re: Re: Re: What the hell
by buddycig@rediffmail.com on Jan 14, 2011 08:36 AM
peoples like you would never let india progress as much as it supposed 2 .religious hatred in ur mind is not letting u and our country (BHARAT HINDUSTAN INDIA DHARTI MAA) shine and b competative with devoloped world.BEHENJI
Re: Re: Re: What the hell
by panduranga vittal on Jan 14, 2011 07:05 AM
mental. since 10 centurey muslims ruled Delhi and since 16 cnetury to 18 cuntury Mughals ruled majority of the land, though marathis continued to destro their power and expended their land continuously ( Mughls have practically dominated for 200 yeras) . Still Indian remained HIndu. So understand if Britishes have not come Mulims would have lost power to Marthis and there is not question of Islamm dominateing this land. It took 2000 yeaus for muslims to convert hudus in Pak. Success for them in Pak can not be a success for them In major india. The case of pak is a battle loos and the question of Total iNdia is war win for HIndus. WE lost pak for our disunity. Now we have strong Hindu forces which can not be conquered by any force on earth. The loss of pak and Bangladesh is a lesson for us that we shoud be ever unidted inspite of our curse that we have many differences. But there is a silver line in diversity. Peple who live in diversity would be more wiser ( this you will see in future). China is the only country do develop faster than us now and it will end in a decade and we will be the fastest developing country in the next century. China develops with 10 times more foreign investment than us. We develop mostly indegeniously. who is more efficinet?
Re: Re: What the hell
by Sanjai on Jan 14, 2011 08:25 AM
Incorrect - The concept of India is as old as can be. Look at Mahabharta - look at Ramayana - look at the maps of those times - what is the region the stories are based on - the bharat has existed since time immemorial
In 8th-9th century Adi Shankracharya set up 4 mathas in the four corners of the country, these exist even today. Look at the path trodden by saints of various hues - the northern saints came to the south on piligrimages and the southern went to the north. There has been a consistent thread since history. That British created India is well, a British invention.
The Marathas had definitely forgotten about crafty Shivaji Maratha . Their main mistake was what they did with the Jatts after abadali and the mougals were rioted when abdhali tried to take over a couple of years back .That time abdali escaped with his life .In that war after roiting the mugals and abdali forces they surrounded Delhi .The jats who were mainly Sikhs wanted the marathas to allow them to plunder and loot Delhi .The marathas disagreed .After that the Sikhs broke away from the marathas and never ever trusted the marathas again .And as time went by their difference increased .
Re: simba40
by charanjeet assi on Jan 14, 2011 05:33 AM
and who told you this about sikhs...Marathas underestimated sikhs and never got in touch with the Sikhs..
Re: Re: simba40
by Sunit Kumar on Jan 17, 2011 04:27 AM
Bindra the first individual Gold Medalist, if u check his ancestory, his maternal side, was the daughter of the Maratha General who faught in Panipat and married to a Sikh General, read it !!
Re: Re: simba40
by LION MAN on Jan 14, 2011 06:42 AM
bhi saab Im also a Sikh ..read history...and youll get to the facts...that is if you read corectly and understand
