That there are many good and educated muslims also, However due to congress efforts they never get any chance to come forward, only facist muslim are supported by congress as it serves their purpose.
Congress will never support people like Sir Kalam, or Mr. Vastanvi.
Re: Re: This proves
by kumar kn on Feb 23, 2011 06:52 PM
When will the Muslims realise the vote bank politics of Congress and their divide and rule policy? When will they allow their children to come to the 21st century and have modern education to earn a good living? Hindus are not against Muslims and want to live in peace with all communities.That is why India is a secular country unlike Muslim countries. But it is upto the Muslims to take the hand of friendship and come to the mainstream life of India for their own benifit.
Re: Re: Re: This proves
by suhail khalid on Feb 23, 2011 07:31 PM
No,I don't agree with you.It is upto the Hindus to give the hand of friendship to the muslims.We have given the hand of friendship already and certain hindus have behaved badly enough in return to shake our trust!Just accept your sins and over Advani,Modi,Sushma Swaraj,MM Joshi and A Singhal to justice.
Re: Re: Re: This proves
by suhail khalid on Feb 23, 2011 07:36 PM
India is secular,but certain hindus aren't.So communal riots take place here regularly.Muslim countries aren't secular and yet no communal riots have taken place there.The exceptions to this are Pakistan and Bangladesh where communal riots do take place,but only in response to the riots in India.
There are hundreds of riots in India after independence, no body remember any riots now. Why you want this riot to be remembered forever and not any other riot or Godhara issue?
2000 people who were killed in gujrat cannot be forgotten so easily. whatever some so called maulvis say that does not matter to the majority of the muslims.
Re: Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by akshay gupta on Feb 23, 2011 06:45 PM
Why discuss with a man whose manhood stood stripped of a cm of skin which affects their brains for the rest of their lives. No wonder all over the world these goons are trouble makers and kill their own but now they keep quiet. They will not rest till India is converted into a islamic nation and once done they will bomb and kill everyone and say a...h ho a...r
Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by thinker on Feb 23, 2011 06:34 PM
Your leaders who want to take you to the 10th century will not allow you to foget this. Why should Hindus forget the roits in which they are killed and even in kashmir, what is being done with them.
Re: Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by akshay gupta on Feb 23, 2011 06:47 PM
Why discuss with cuts. They have no brains. There is severe stench of cow meat from their bodies so much so that their women need to be wrapped in black absorbent cloth
Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by sidhu29.2011@rediffmail.com on Feb 23, 2011 06:37 PM
if you people live in the past then you have a true and friendly party that will make sure you are even pushed further to the mughal era, muslims never get educated. if a muslim feels that singing vande matram is a sin why are you still in the country. The best i can suggest is everybody has been hurt but we remember it as a sad and we do not carry it for ever, instead we move forward so that the remaning will be prosperous.
Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by Ranbir Thakur on Feb 23, 2011 05:52 PM
If you are in India think of your existence. Do you really believe that all non islamics are not human beings. How could you or your ancestors survived in this country where majority of the people is after your life(as you believe). Think my dear.
Re: Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by abul hasan on Feb 23, 2011 06:54 PM
who told you that muslims consider non-muslims as not human being. you are mis-informed; correct your opionion
Re: Re: vastanvi is a chamcha of modi.
by akshay gupta on Feb 23, 2011 06:48 PM
The cuts should get their women raped by taliban so that they can taste the water of the evil
The visit by a Pakistani Cleric, who is associated with terror in Jammu and Kashmir, in the context of this dispute as reported, was a factor which would have invested this decision with an importance of a different kind had VC Vastanvi been forced to step down.
It seems that while maintaining the goodwill with their Pakistani counterparts, the moderate modernizers have had an upper hand. This bodes well for social fabric of the nation, torn asunder by the terror infliction from Pakistan and encouraged by sympathetic elements within India.
It also bodes well for healthier relationship between nations in the sub-continent.
There are still elements in other parties which seek to demonise BJP, RSS and Mr Modi in particular. Such divisive strategy with the intent towards marginalization, if not grounded on reality, could hereafter cease as well. Such misdirected politicization of riots, if stopped would make ground to book the real culprits per the due process of law.
Re: politicization of riots and social fabric
by Ramesh on Feb 24, 2011 05:18 AM
Whether Deoband has an appreciable say in the present times on thoughts and opinions of Indian Muslims, as they had earlier, is not clear. But historical symbols do matter and somewhere in the subtle subterranean of societal thought could make a decisive difference in future.
For this to happen, the need is to reflect upon the present trends and issues and vibe with time such that people perceive it as echoing their sentiments. The justice and morality plane in which Deoband has relevance besides religious discourse can be of considerable import in shaping arts and other perceptions.
Instead of shedding light with accent on Hindustaniyat there seems to have been considerable shift towards Islamiyat. This has resulted in affiliation to extreme elements and moving away from dialog with society at large. It has shrunk the intellectual and social space available to Deoband folks dramatically.
Re: Re: politicization of riots and social fabric
by Ramesh on Feb 24, 2011 05:41 AM
Unlike the breakaway Pakistani faction, Deobandi thought accepted secular law as the keystone Constitutional value. This made possible gradual acceptance of secular realm by many hardened adherents of Hindu Rashtra and strengthening of social fabric past communal strife. The terror infliction to once again create the communal divide to weaken India did not succeed except for one extremely tragic failure in post-Godhra Gujarat riot.; and is unlikely to ever succeed in future.
This hard earned social amity has now paved for new kind of politics which former President Prof Kalam called as politics of development.
The echoes of this great Indian debate were heard in the issue pertaining to utterances of VC Vastanvi. These matters deserve more deliberation and the intellectual standards to dwell upon these issues is available with those associated with the Deoband movement. This acumen is evident in the sophisticated and thoughtful manner the responses have been carried out so far.
This augurs well for Indian social and economic development.
Re: Re: Re: politicization of riots and social fabric
by Ramesh on Feb 24, 2011 05:52 AM
What could be of considerable interest is that whether Deoband scholars guided by their VC be able to evolve newer and better equations with the developed West. The accent on English language appears to be pointer in this direction.
Such an effort, if really happening could have considerable impact not only social unity on security related matters of as well. Such mainstreaming effort, if really happening, would be very welcome.
The Godhra riots are a in isolation and the anger and incitement had its roots in the train torching. But, later on Modi did a marvelous job and that is why there are several M voting for him
Innfact, it is wrong to find fault with Vastanvi as he was quite frank and gave full marsk to the development under Modi
