No Hindu will fight over what is said over by some guru or what hindu teacher has to say.. its thier preogative,. You want all of Muslims to be educated in Madrasas choice is thiers. But India sooner rather than later has to have common civil code.. who cannot respect can cross the border.
Re: Muslims ! What do they want ?
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 11:55 AM
What do you know about uniform civil code, except that it is uniform law for all.
Re: Re: u can't speak honest in this country
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Feb 23, 2011 11:35 AM
Champ Muslim : This is a battle for ideological space. Hindus and Muslims are only pawns in the larger game plan.
Since and prior to independence, there was an ideological war between the Congress and the RSS, both holding different views of India.
The Congress view was that India is a syncretic entity and the best way to govern it is thru the middle path.
The RSS held the view that since India is a hindu majoritarian nation, power should vest with the Hindus.
We are a de facto hindu state but still not acceptable to the hindu right which seeks to bring about a hindu consolidation, successfully achieved in Gujarat.
It however refuses to recognise the demographic constitution of the country in important geographical territories crucially important for us.
The Congress spoilt the party for the RSS/BJP by dividing the majority along various cleavages, leaving them to cry hoarse.
The Gujarat riots were an experiment to achieve the objectives of the RSS/BJP and has been successful in bringing about a majoritarian consolidation.
Success in Gujarat is no indicator of success in the rest of the country, which successive elections have proved.
In a democracy, both ideological groups are entitled to hold their views and struggle to achieve their objectives. Democracy and its values are not an open and shut case, this struggle will continue and democracy will have to be constantly fine tuned depending crucially on the wisdom of the larger masses.
Re: Re: u can't speak honest in this country
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Feb 23, 2011 11:35 AM
Champ Muslim : This is a battle for ideological space. Hindus and Muslims are only pawns in the larger game plan.
Since and prior to independence, there was an ideological war between the Congress and the RSS, both holding different views of India.
The Congress view was that India is a syncretic entity and the best way to govern it is thru the middle path.
The RSS held the view that since India is a hindu majoritarian nation, power should vest with the Hindus.
We are a de facto hindu state but still not acceptable to the hindu right which seeks to bring about a hindu consolidation, successfully achieved in Gujarat.
It however refuses to recognise the demographic constitution of the country in important geographical territories crucially important for us.
The Congress spoilt the party for the RSS/BJP by dividing the majority along various cleavages, leaving them to cry hoarse.
The Gujarat riots were an experiment to achieve the objectives of the RSS/BJP and has been successful in bringing about a majoritarian consolidation.
Success in Gujarat is no indicator of success in the rest of the country, which successive elections have proved.
In a democracy, both ideological groups are entitled to hold their views and struggle to achieve their objectives. Democracy and its values are not an open and shut case, this struggle will continue and democracy will have to be constantly fine tuned depending crucially on the wisdom of the larger masses.
1. Vastanvi made sense and it was expected that now that he is talking sensible he would go out so no surprises. 2. Modi will rule because gujarat will not tolerate any nonsense from minority community. 3. hindus are tired of the nonsense that is going on in this country for last 50 years. 4. even if muslims want to vote for modi on his performance between 2002- 2011 a few of them would not like it. 5. india will be a muslim country in next 10 years so its better for hindus to getout of india.
Re: Vastanvi is Modi's paid Agent.
by sudhir mehta on Feb 23, 2011 09:32 AM
YES, KICKED OUT ALL NATIONALIST MUSLIMS...U IDIOT...U R ALL KICKED OUT IN YOUR OWN GOAL...
Re: Vastanvi is Modi's paid Agent.
by addu khan on Feb 23, 2011 09:07 AM
dont worry .already 5 million indoo girls married to our lads in last 5 years.We will achieve our goal for a greater P the more indoo girls we get the faster our goal.then I P B = Greater P .after that easy to get all to ours.Like when P was formed they had 20 % indoo ,now not even 1 %.
Re: Re: Vastanvi is Modi's paid Agent.
by addu khan on Feb 23, 2011 09:10 AM
i already have 3.one original ours.2 from indoo.from indoo i have now 7 kid.total 9.all ours.soon we can achieve greaterP
Re: Re: Re: Vastanvi is Modi's paid Agent.
by CHAMP MUSLIM on Feb 23, 2011 09:20 AM
Like you addu and Gaddhus are responsible for defaming finest religion Islam. stop your nonsense.
Re: Vastanvi is Modi's paid Agent.
by religion religion on Feb 23, 2011 09:37 AM
you need help. go for haj. vastnavi used correct words and that is why it hurts. you are not be able to accept fact that someone taught you lesson of your life that gujarat will not tolerate nonsense and that is what hurts you.
i will still condemn narendra modi for godhra but at one point of time we should gte past this bad incident. THE GUILTY SHOULD BE PUNISHED, HOWEVER. so there is nothing wrong in what Maulana Vastanvi said. but if muslims are hell bent incrictising him then this shows their double standards. even india were attacked, temples looted and women raped by moghuls. are we still complaining? twe were under the english rule? but now dont we have a good relationship with UK? past is past.now we should look forward and make sure that such incidents never occur. but muslims, they never change. theya think they are the best and just followers of their religion in this world. but the ones we have in our country are not patriotic. sic people they are. other than a few celebrities they have never flourished or done any good to india. look at the christians. they have many missionaries, trusts, schools and colleges. they are a minority to muslims. but the money they get from saudi is channeled only to madrasas which are of no good for our country at all. sic people they are. SO IF ALLAH IS GREAT SO BE IT. IF MUSLIMS ARE GREAT SO BE IT. BUT FOLLOW THAT INSIDE UR HOMES OR AT MOSQUES. OUTSIDE U SHOULD FOLLOW INDIAN CONSTITUTION AND BE PATRIOTIC TO THE COUNTRY.
Re: be indians first
by Bhajiya on Feb 23, 2011 09:03 AM
Gentleman, Gujrat Riots takes place under blessing in disguise of Narendra Modi is open secreat. First lets not cameoflauge justifying wrong doing and covering up with some artificial logical analogy.
Killing and looting innocent people whether hindu or muslim or any other caste, religion, linguistic minority, raciast, gender based crimes are same activities.
We live in Democratic society where law is supreme to restore the order of society. But if politician like Narendra Modi misuse his position for political milestone to garner support as saviour of one religion is to be condemned and not commend.
What views people express has larger reprecurssion on the future disposal of such cases under trial to creat atmosphere condusive for ignoring henious crime is not acceptable to the society at large.
Because Narendra Modi is not above law and he should not enjoy impunity like other dectators in other parts of wrold doing.
Re: Re: be indians first
by chandrasekhar kari on Feb 23, 2011 09:24 AM
Mr.Bhajiya you had forgotten the issue, which trigged all these things. no body talks about that.where were all you people when hindus thrown out of kasmir and other issues. if you want to be secularit then condem all the issues irrespect of religion.do not speak one side. according to the newton's law for every action there will be a opposite & equal reaction.
Re: Re: Re: be indians first
by tufale beig on Feb 23, 2011 09:55 AM
@ chandrshekhar ji. you cant justify the killings happening in any part of india and that may be repeated in another part.
Re: Re: be indians first
by SV INTERIORS on Feb 23, 2011 03:46 PM
Mr.Bhajiya, If you intelligently and intentionally not considering the Godhra Train Burn incident and ignore burning of 59 people including women & children, no purpose will be served. Simply waste of time & energy. Everybody must accept that, both godhra incident and post godhra raits shuould not recur in future. For that all indians must try. Keeping aside this important aspect, you are engaged in mud-slugging on each other. Shame on your part.
Re: be indians first
by om shanti on Feb 23, 2011 08:58 AM
Yusuf Pathan and Munaf Patel both from Gujarat could get over and perform for Indian team,then why these Mul1ahs in other states are creating politics just for the shake of power? Do they really care for common muslims?
Re: Re: be indians first
by CHAMP MUSLIM on Feb 23, 2011 09:26 AM
Om shanti, Are you playing cricket in your dream also? The precious life of poor citizens are more important than cricket of Yusuf and Munaf?
Re: Re: Re: be indians first
by CHAMP MUSLIM on Feb 23, 2011 10:43 AM
Om Shanti, i support you fully, what you say makes a lot of sense. It is because of these illiterate mullahs that lots of poor people are getting poorer and brainwashed.
Re: Re: Re: be indians first
by religion religion on Feb 23, 2011 09:33 AM
if you look at the history of gujarat it always had rioting situations in past. when the same happened in 92 in gujarat there were around 150 killed. there were 3 convicted. for 2002 there are 150 convicted and 250 cases still running. i don't think there is any proof on what is being talked/ speculated. the man is on mission and he is by far the finest CM gujarat has got in last 30 years. the recent municipal election results clearly show that minority community woth 40 crore is voting for him. so better luck in next janam.
Re: be indians first
by religion religion on Feb 23, 2011 09:35 AM
dude its post godhra not godhra... go stay in gujarat and then write. its a state that has better life quality than any other city in india. congress is scared of modi's performance and they know that baba rahul is incompetent and that is the only reason of this hungama.
i will still condemn narendra modi for godhra but at one point of time we should gte past this bad incident. THE GUILTY SHOULD BE PUNISHED, HOWEVER. so there is nothing wrong in what Maulana Vastanvi said. but if muslims are hell bent incrictising him then this shows their double standards. even india were attacked, temples looted and women raped by moghuls. are we still complaining? twe were under the english rule? but now dont we have a good relationship with UK? past is past.now we should look forward and make sure that such incidents never occur. but muslims, they never change. theya think they are the best and just followers of their religion in this world. but the ones we have in our country are not patriotic. sic people they are. other than a few celebrities they have never flourished or done any good to india. look at the christians. they have many missionaries, trusts, schools and colleges. they are a minority to muslims. but the money they get from saudi is channeled only to madrasas which are of no good for our country at all. sic people they are.
Re: C*onvert
by abhay bisen on Feb 23, 2011 08:50 AM
many have ruled India but non was ever able to conqured it's soul that is what the inner strength is , it is just like many people climbing on a silent wall and trying to demolish it but those fool do not realize that it is a strong stone wall with inner strength which can not be demolished and will remain intact , you people only think of conversion and feel proud on that but the real proud remain in spreading peace .
Re: C*onvert
by addu khan on Feb 23, 2011 08:52 AM
dont worry .already 5 million indoo girls married to our lads in last 5 years.We will achieve our goal for a greater P
Re: Re: C*onvert
by addu khan on Feb 23, 2011 08:56 AM
the more indoo girls we get the faster our goal.then I P B = Greater P .after that easy to get all to ours.Like when P was formed they had 20 % indoo ,now not even 1 %.
