Re: did he really praised
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:56 PM
My reply to SOCO....is under some review..and have not been published in this fourm. This shows that this portal is always on hunt for good person like Mr.Modi.
Re: did he really praised
by Wahaj Faridy on Feb 23, 2011 12:53 PM
But Wikipedia painted him as giving Clean Chit to modi over his role in Gujrat Riots.
Does media cover about facts ?? It is only in business of creating perceptions that suit their masters
Re: Re: did he really praised
by Ranbir Thakur on Feb 23, 2011 03:11 PM
You should praise media which is keeping alive the Gujrat riots almost for one decade. Many of us forgot 84 riots wherein Muslims were the rioters and looters especially in Delhi.
If Mr.Modi wished he could had brought all the old cases of 1985 riots where..a Para Miltray force and a Sub Inspectors where burnt alive....approx more than 100 Hindus were killed... and a reputed press was burnt..and all the muslim culprits where freed..by the grace of that time CJI Mr.Ahmedi at the supreme Court...and that time in the centre there was rule of Congress as well as in Gujarat also it was Congress..so dont claim that Congress is doing good..Congress itself is strong follower of Islam...u ppl should be wiped out from this universe.
Re: Muslim's
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:27 PM
When you cannot withstand any one discussion, you suddenly jump to something else. I am not a congress or a bjp supporter. I am just an Indian and I think I have the right to express what I feel is truth.
Re: Re: Muslim's
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:30 PM
I am not jumping into something else..I am showing you the other side of coin...I dont care whether u r Congress or BJP supporter..but a crook like u who dont have knowledge of the past history should not jump into critics like this.
Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:35 PM
What happened to the current discussion? Do you accept that you were wrong, and that now you understand that nationalism is not about hate?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:43 PM
You are helping people like Modi who are destrying the country by dividing us. Some rupees created cannot grow India as a country as our unity can. So, Mr. Baba Gaddar, either understand nationalism or leave the country and let the people of this country live peacefully.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:49 PM
I do have sense of Nationalism and I love my country...where I need a total peace where there will be no hinerance from people like u True Porki.Definately I will give full support to people like Modi...and for your further knowledge u Porki...If one leader like Modi..is a big problem for people like you who dont want HINDU's to live peaceful in India...now there is strong backup increasing day by day for MODI.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:56 PM
Unfortunately people like you are playing with India's future by supporting killers. Go and read your own scriptures before spreading such knowledge.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by Jai Babu on Feb 23, 2011 12:45 PM
If 99% Hindus were anti-Mus1im, would there be a 16 crore Mus1im polulation in India today? Would we have had Mus1im Presidents, Ministers, Governors, Cricket players, Musicians, Super Star Actors, Supre Court Judges, etc. Crass bigots like u are the ones bringing a bad name on all. Yes, 99%Hindus will definitely resist the spread of fanatical, radical Is1amist ideologies. That is an act of moral courage.Yes, we will oppose the lunatic clerics who issue fatwas which deny women the right to work or support their families, perpetrate injustice on them by insisting on puritanical burkas, denying education, basic liberty, dignity, etc. But does that make us anti-Mus1im?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:49 PM
If you think you are part of 99% then again, get your facts right. There is a small percentage of people sitting in front of computers and spreading hatred in all forms they can. Most of Indian population is still worried about earning the daily bread.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Muslim's
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:51 PM
Regarding the issues that you discussed, I can respond to each and every issue. And I can name so many other issues like female infanticide, dowry, superstition etc that are more dangerous than what you mentioned above. Is there any point fighting like this and hating each other?
We should assess a leader by his actions as to whether he works for the common weal irrespective of his religious background. The litmus test is the roti, kapda and makan that he brings to the majority of citizens irrespective of their caste and creed. Modi succintly passes this test. Unless wealth is created first, it cannot be shared amongst all. History without value addition needs to be thrown into wastebin- almost all major religions had their own history of persecution of minorities across Nations. Merit should be the criterion to assess events and leaders now with emphasis on whether they lead to value addition.
Re: MERITOCRACY
by arungopal agarwal on Feb 23, 2011 12:09 PM
Till Islamics do not accept country first religion later on, democratic secular concept will never come to their mind, such incidences - rioting, vemon throwing will continue.
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:14 PM
With the support of people like you, the mad violence happens that consumes even small children who do not understand religion. Islam and nationalism go hand in hand - just like hinduism and nationalism can co-exist. Till this is understood, majority will keep killing minorities, irrespective of whether the minorities are xtians, muslims or sikhs, under some pretext or the other.
Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Karan Hi on Feb 23, 2011 12:19 PM
Only One Question.. When in Majority.. Its an Islamic Country with No Rights to Other Religions.. Now in Minority when you have all the rights.. Learn to respect Magnamity of the Majority in giving you equal rights. But Respect you dont get as a right u have to earn it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:23 PM
Still in Islamic countries you would never heard of any such riots against minorities as our very own beloved country. We will remain where we are till we have people who think that Hinduism all about opposing other religions. That is a bull-shit mentality that people like Karan have.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Karan Hi on Feb 23, 2011 12:42 PM
where minority have any rights there to even protest ! Most of the riots are started by Muslims as well
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Supersecualirist on Feb 23, 2011 12:44 PM
@True Paki, You mean that there can be mad people in islamic countries who while remaining in the majority will attack the minority who are second class citizens in the country. Attacks can happen where all the citizens are considered equal. I_slam is by default considers all non-believers as second or third class citizens against whom any kind of act can take place.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:46 PM
Mr. Karan, I cannot remove the hatred sown in your head from your childhood by the likes of Modi, Uma Bharti, Vinay Katiar etc.
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Jai Babu on Feb 23, 2011 12:20 PM
Al Zahwiri- an Egyptian & Al Qaeda No 2 said that Egypt had entirely deviated from the path of Islam by carrying out a secular freedom movement. He said that Democracy is not acceptable as it was secular and that the only social, political system acceptable was God's will, Islam & Sharia.
Many Islamist ideologues regard nationalism, as being un-Is1amic, akin to polytheism & idolatry, and as divisive of the ummah . They claim that Mus1ims all over the world share the same nationality or qaumiyyat and they strive to form a single global polity on the basis of Is1am. So for Muslims in different parts of the world to set up or live in their separate nation-states with or without other faiths, based on ethnic nationalism is not acceptable. The stated goal of political Is1am is to set up an Is1amist Caliphate. Is1amists cannot tolerate anyone who is not a fellow radical.
Political Is1am & Democracy are anathema to each other. That is the crux of the problem
Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:27 PM
This kind of revolution is going to happen in each and every ISLAMIC nations who are being ruled by this fanatic Muslim leaders who just want to create problemz in da world...where as local people all around Islamic nation have now crossed there limits of tolerence..so in near future we may see..more Revolution in ISLAMIC Kingdoms.
Re: Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:32 PM
Even here you are wrong. That is the problem with pseudo nationalists that they do not know anything. The current revolutions are by the followers of Islam against the west-appointed kings.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:39 PM
Yeah...may be all those American President where busy appointing KINGS in the middle east....as they had nothing to do...u ERSS 0
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by jaweed shaikh on Feb 23, 2011 12:20 PM
who thows venmom, if after swami taking responsibilty of all still you people blame muslim, wht abt RSS VHP so pariotice they are, show me on whoes in on boder defending INDIA just one eg show me, islamist islamist what is islaist 1st define that have u studied islam to speak on it how educated r u to speak on an issue whit no knowldege on it
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by jaweed shaikh on Feb 23, 2011 12:28 PM
islam has given u the devine law, if u dont want throw it in the dustbin there is no hard n fast rule no we shld follow it, my basic argument is understand the law in correct conext and than have debate, no one stops u from debating, i can also on contarary ask abt hindu laws manu smiriti etc u reply on it chk which is logical scitenfic apply that. have live debates between top leaders of all religion we people have brain u differiantiate right from wrong. islam has practical solotion only yesterday i had tak with a police person on it n he agreed to it, question is make thing clear after agreeing i dont say ok now u change the constitue, no the thngs whih is right differnitaite its self easily from wrong JUST EDUCATE MORE ON RELIGION B4 COMMENTING
Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:10 PM
Mr. Thomas, are you justifying the killings? Good. Please sacrifice some of your own loved ones and get a taste of mad violence. If a terrorist can create wealth, does that mean he has the right to kill people? What should we talk about Kasab who has killed so many people? His good deeds, if he has any, or the people whom he has killed?
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Thomas Varkey on Feb 23, 2011 03:13 PM
Dear True Indian, I have indicated that the true test is common weal. A terrorist cannot bring about common weal while a Robinhood possibly can. Let us be true Indians and roll back distateful history where nobody was a Saint.
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Karan Hi on Feb 23, 2011 12:17 PM
No Dear Your folks Justified killings in Godhra Incident.. and later blamed it on self conspracy.
Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:30 PM
If you think you are an Indian, then you cannot say "my folks, your folks". Get your patritism right. We are all Indians.
Re: Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:25 PM
No minority spoke on that - it was a judicial enquiry that talked about the conspiracy. Get your facts right before throwing venom against other religions.
Re: Re: MERITOCRACY
by Thomas Varkey on Feb 23, 2011 03:12 PM
Dear True Indian, I have indicated that the true test is common weal. A terrorist cannot bring about common weal while a Robinhood possibly can. Let us be true Indians and roll back distateful history where nobody was a Saint.
No political leader is commenting on such fanatic action taken on VC simply on his remarks. It appears we have many Islamics living in 18th century not accepting democratic norms inspite of 60 years of independence. This is due to political pattronage given by our few leaders.
Re: Deoband
by Jai Babu on Feb 23, 2011 12:26 PM
To support that the current radical character of Is1am is such that it can co-exist with other faiths, is an absurd proposition. These Is1amists have no compunction in declaring that theirs is the only true God and it is their beholden duty to spread their faith and they dont hesitate in calling for the death & destruction of non-believers and apostates & blasphemers .
Sadly there are now only 1) Moderate Mus1ims and 2)Fanatic Mus1ims. There is no "MODERATE" IS1AM. IS1AM HAS BEEN IRREVOCABLY RADICALIZED.
The puritanical Deobandies, Wahabis, Salafies all dream of taking back Is1amic society to 7th Century Arabia which is their UTOPIA
Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by jaweed shaikh on Feb 23, 2011 12:09 PM
difffrentiate religion from nationalism, u r mixing to things at a time iam a muslim by choice and a good indian cant these 2 things can come from one, edcucate yr self on the issue, its not neccassary a hindu is a good indian a christian a good indian, anyone can be anything n he can be from any damn religion
Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 11:59 AM
Muslims are good Indians. Despite what happened to them, they are tightly integrated into the system. But they fight just for their identity, which is under threat all the time from fundamentalists who are working overtime to plan and eliminate members of the minority community. People killed in Gujarat are yet to get justice - I am not sure if they would get it ever.
Re: Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by Supersecualirist on Feb 23, 2011 01:00 PM
@Jawed & True Paki, Answer one straight question with one straight answer. Do all muslims in India agree that first he is an Indian and then only his all other identies including religion follow. The answer must be simply 'yes' or 'no'. Otherwise all your explanations are just 'al taquiya'. At the right moment you will all join together and attack the 'kafirs'.
Re: Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by Karan Hi on Feb 23, 2011 12:07 PM
How will they get Justice ! I know people of all walks of life were angry at what happened.. Every person had a stone in thier hand.. from all walks of life. similar to what happens today in J & K against majority.
People were angry and more angry because .. Muslims instead of expressing regreat.. blamed on conspracy.
Re: Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by chintan jhunjhunwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:04 PM
true indian ,you got ur facts wrong.they have to fight against fundamentalists amongst their own community who want to keep them in the mentality of medieval ages.though it is good to see many from this community break from the shackles of the fundamentalists and are doing great in their professions.some of our best actors ,sportsmen,artists,musicians have come from this community who have contributed to the nations growth.
Re: Re: Re: Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by chintan jhunjhunwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:24 PM
perhaps it is a case of misunderstanding.can u please make me understand ur point of fundamentalists.it is fundamentalism which keeps a community backward and narrow in its approach.friction starts when the evolutionary process is blocked like we are seeing now in many arab countries.
Re: Re: Re: Re: he looks like a nice guy !
by chintan jhunjhunwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:24 PM
perhaps it is a case of misunderstanding.can u please make me understand ur point of fundamentalists.it is fundamentalism which keeps a community backward and narrow in its approach.friction starts when the evolutionary process is blocked like we are seeing now in many arab countries.
Maulana Vastanvi...who just said few good words for the work being done by Chief Minister of Gujarat Mr.Narendra Modi..and he is going to be penalised for his statment..by the..Darul Uloom...now the question arises here that...If this would happened in state which mite be ruled by the Congress...than..definately this Darul Uloom..would had praised Vastanvi.....Why this fanatic people in Darul Uloom cant digest what Mr.Modi has done good for the minorities in Gujarat....Looking at the past there were many casualities in communial riots in many parts of India...where was Darul Uloom at that time...why did they not do anything.... Its just a few fanatic people of Darul Uloom...and other Leading Organization is spoiling there own images.
Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 11:53 AM
You could understand only if you were a minority or if you had lost someone you love to the hate campaign of Modi.
Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 11:56 AM
Infact this Congress has already done that...they r considering HINDUS as minor's....since 1970...by making this MUSLIM vote Bank.
Re: Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:03 PM
This is a sick mentality that cries foul for majority all the time, even after killing so many people.
Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by Karan Hi on Feb 23, 2011 11:55 AM
Did u loose anyone ! ? Victims of Godhra train burning didnt have any close ones !
Re: Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:02 PM
All the people involved in train episode are behind bars for the last 9 years - even the people who the court said were not involved are a wasted life. Modi is still out. I feel for everybody who dies irrespective of religion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by BabaBatliwala on Feb 23, 2011 12:11 PM
True Indian ur profile name does not suits u at all..u should had mentioned it True Pakistani...u Porki...If Mr.Modi wished he could had brought all the old cases of 1985 riots where..a Para Miltray force and a Sub Inspectors where burnt alive....approx more than 100 Hindus were killed... and a reputed press was burnt..and all the victims where freed..by the grace of that time CJI Mr.Ahmedi at the supreme Court...and that time in the centre there was rule of Congress as well as in Gujarat also it was Congress..so dont claim that Congress is doing good..Congress itself is strong follower of Islam...u ppl should be wiped out from this universe.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by True Indian on Feb 23, 2011 12:20 PM
Time will tell, remember that the right wins and people like you have always been wiped out. Read that from your own scriptures.
Re: Re: Fanatic ..Behaviour....
by Supersecualirist on Feb 23, 2011 01:06 PM
@True Paki, You mean like the minority people in Kashmir who have lost everything they possessed? And I quite well know the 'love' campaign of the majority community there. Are you aware of that?
