Bhagwad Gita has the highest spiritual knowledge ever revealed to mankind. Does it promote casteism ? Bhagwad Gita doesn't talk about caste system at all. Bhagwad Gita talk about Varna system. There are only four Varnas but hundreds of castes. Again, Lord Krishna says in Bhagwad Gita that the Varna of a person is decided by his Guna (his knowledge, experience etc.) and Karma (actions). Please note that there is no mention that it is based on birth. However, caste system is based on birth.
Those who have no knowledge of history of Hindu social structure are spewing venom against Bhagwad Gita. Please read and understand which will reveal to you the truth of spirituality which is unparalleled when compared to any of Abrahimic religions.
Re: @PGN and other pseudo-expert-of-BG
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 10:00 AM
I THINK U NEED SOME KIND OF SELF READING. HERE IS EXCERPTS WITH REF N AUTHORITY. NOW DONT SAY ANIMAL SACRIFICE(HINSA)IS NOT ENCOURAGED IN BG. Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.31 "In the battlefield, a king or kṣatriya, while fighting another king envious of him, is eligible for achieving heavenly planets after death, as the brāhmaṇas also attain the heavenly planets by sacrificing animals in the sacrificial fire." Therefore, killing on the battlefield on religious principles and killing animals in the sacrificial fire are not at all considered to be acts of violence, because everyone is benefited by the religious principles involved. The animal sacrificed gets a human life immediately without undergoing the gradual evolutionary process from one form to another, and the kṣatriyas killed on the battlefield also attain the heavenly planets as do the brāhmaṇas who attain them by offering sacrifice.
I THOUGHT KNOW VERY LITTLE BUT AFTER GOING THRU COMMENTS HERE I AM SURE I M MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON H1NDU SCRIPTURES THAN LOT
Re: @PGN and other pseudo-expert-of-BG
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 10:01 AM
I THINK U NEED SOME KIND OF SELF READING. HERE IS EXCERPTS WITH REF N AUTHORITY. NOW DONT SAY ANIMAL SACRIFICE(HINSA)IS NOT ENCOURAGED IN BG. Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.31 "In the battlefield, a king or kṣatriya, while fighting another king envious of him, is eligible for achieving heavenly planets after death, as the brāhmaṇas also attain the heavenly planets by sacrificing animals in the sacrificial fire." Therefore, killing on the battlefield on religious principles and killing animals in the sacrificial fire are not at all considered to be acts of violence, because everyone is benefited by the religious principles involved. The animal sacrificed gets a human life immediately without undergoing the gradual evolutionary process from one form to another, and the kṣatriyas killed on the battlefield also attain the heavenly planets as do the brāhmaṇas who attain them by offering sacrifice.
I THOUGHT KNOW VERY LITTLE BUT AFTER GOING THRU COMMENTS HERE I AM SURE I M MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON H1NDU SCRIPTURES THAN LOT
Re: Re: @PGN and other pseudo-expert-of-BG
by Indian on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 AM
My dear PGN,
Bhagwad Gita 2.31 says this :
"Besides, considering your own duty too, you should not waver, for there is nothing more welcome for a Kshatriya (i.e. man of the warrior class) than a righteous war."
What is wrong with it ? What is the duty of a warrior in a battlefield ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: @PGN and other pseudo-expert-of-BG
by Avinash on Dec 22, 2011 11:45 AM
Considering also your duty as a warrior, you should not waver. Because there is nothing more auspicious for a warrior than a righteous war. (2.31).............what ever Bhaktivedanta have written are from his fertile imagination. There is no reference to anyRELIGION isGita as there were noReligions at that time!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @PGN and other pseudo-expert-of-BG
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 11:57 AM
then wht r u crying for? why ALL PROTESTS.IF ITS PHILOSOPHY,THEN WHY THIS RLG10S FERVOR,WHY FUMING?
Dear PGN, Where do Shudras or Mlechchas figure in Bhagvad Geeta? Have you read it? There are versions available in almost all languages of the world, try and read the real book first instead of listening to people when your low IQ does not permit you to listen and understand at the same time... Though I doubt your reading abilities too and wonder what language you know or use. Coz ur diction seems to be English but language is that of hatred coupled with ignorance marinated in a know-it-all arrogance. Good that you remained anonymous on this page coz it would have reflected badly on the entire gene-pool you are a representative of. If it was a publicity stunt, frankly, spewing out venom without having an iota of idea about the real thing not only reflects poor taste but also an addled mind with a vengeful disposition. You need help... get away from the screen and visit a medic
Re: @ PGN
by Jena Bharati on Dec 22, 2011 05:48 AM
These are saud-joints bigots problem.some bluffs, some impostor, and breed with hindu names, plain and straight, is their characteristic.
Re: @ PGN
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 AM
Gita Ch. 18, V.41: "Of Brahmanas, Kshtriyas and Vaishyas, as also the Sudras, O Arjuna, the duties are distributed according to the qualities born of their own nature." Conclusion: u cannot bluff with ur ignorance or evasion
Re: Re: @ PGN
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 AM
FOR MLECHCHA REFER CH9 V32. I M NOT ABLE TO PASTE COMMENTARY BY KUMARA VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYA WHICH CLEARLY SAYS HOW BIRTH IS IMPORTANT FOR BOTH MLECHASANDSUDRAS
@ PGN: Is this the gist of your understanding on BG? Or it is somebody else opinion? Because it’s of no use to argue based on somebody else opinion until you have your own. Have you ever gone thru GITA? If not, first study it, try to understand it (If you can), then you will be able to comment on it.
BTW, Where from you got this meaningless translation. BG never discriminated anybody based upon their birth or Cast. Show me in BG, where Lord Krishna talked about cast and untouchability?
BG is nothing to do with CAST my dear. It is the Devotional Path or Bhakti Marga, that everybody can follow and reach the final destination called ‘Mokshya’. How that ‘Mokshya’ will be attained will depend upon your ‘KARMA’ or Conduct. If your conduct is good , then irrespective of your cast or religion, you will get your final destination. That is what Lord KRISHNA told. Do not argue with your half knowledge.
I do not know which religion you belongs to, but do not try to spray venom by saying this kind of Half truths and lies on Sacred Books.
I think you got your answer for your question, But Do You know the meaning of 'MLECHCHAS', YOU referred in your question?
Re: @ PGN
by bhattathiry mp on Dec 22, 2011 06:52 AM
n the storm of life we struggle through myriads of stimuli of pressure, stress, and multi problems that seek for a solution and answer. We are so suppressed by the routine of this every life style that most of us seem helpless. However, if we look closely to ancient techniques we shall discover the magnificent way to understand and realize the ones around us and mostly ourselves. If only we could stop for a moment and allow this to happen. May all beings be happy (Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu) is the essence of Indian philosophy?
Re: @ PGN
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 12:38 AM
WELL,I M NOT AUTHORITY ON BG.I CUT N PASTED FROM A SOURCE WHICH GAVE INTERPRETITION AT LEAST BY 3 AUTHORITIES ONE OF THEM BEING RAMANUJAM.BUT I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS FROM HISTORY N ANCIENT CULTURE OF INDIA SO I M NOT QUITE BLIND.I'VE TRANSLATION N COMMENTARY BY DR. KEDAR JOSHI,A PHILOSOPHER WHICH IS VERY CAUSTIC WHICH I DIDNOT PASTE.THE TERMSSUDRAORMLECHCHA IS NOT ALIEN TO ANCIENT PRE-VEDIC OR POST VEDIC PERIOD.AND INSPITE OF ATTEMPTS TO DILUTE THESE TERMS ,ANY ENGLISH KNOWING PERSON CAN CATCH THE CONTENT N INTENT OF THE COMMENTARY.U CANNOT DENY THE FACT THATSUDRAS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR SHLOKAS.IF THEY DID,THEN PUNISHMENT WAS MOLTEN METAL IN EARS. IF MY RELIGION IS MOOT POINT FOR U ,THEN THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH UR CONVICTION POWER.As a mlechchha, any foreigner stood completely outside the caste system and the ritual ambience. Thus, historically, contact with them was viewed by the caste Hindu as polluting.THUS MLECHCHA WAS ANOTHER DEROGATORRY SYSTEM APART FROM CASTE SYSTEM ITSELF.LITERAL MEANING-HAVING MALAFIDE INTENTION
Re: @ PGN
by PGN on Dec 22, 2011 12:38 AM
WELL,I M NOT AUTHORITY ON BG.I CUT N PASTED FROM A SOURCE WHICH GAVE INTERPRETITION AT LEAST BY 3 AUTHORITIES ONE OF THEM BEING RAMANUJAM.BUT I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS FROM HISTORY N ANCIENT CULTURE OF INDIA SO I M NOT QUITE BLIND.I'VE TRANSLATION N COMMENTARY BY DR. KEDAR JOSHI,A PHILOSOPHER WHICH IS VERY CAUSTIC WHICH I DIDNOT PASTE.THE TERMSSUDRAORMLECHCHA IS NOT ALIEN TO ANCIENT PRE-VEDIC OR POST VEDIC PERIOD.AND INSPITE OF ATTEMPTS TO DILUTE THESE TERMS ,ANY ENGLISH KNOWING PERSON CAN CATCH THE CONTENT N INTENT OF THE COMMENTARY.U CANNOT DENY THE FACT THATSUDRAS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR SHLOKAS.IF THEY DID,THEN PUNISHMENT WAS MOLTEN METAL IN EARS. IF MY RELIGION IS MOOT POINT FOR U ,THEN THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH UR CONVICTION POWER.As a mlechchha, any foreigner stood completely outside the caste system and the ritual ambience. Thus, historically, contact with them was viewed by the caste Hindu as polluting.THUS MLECHCHA WAS ANOTHER DEROGATORRY SYSTEM APART FROM CASTE SYSTEM ITSELF.LITERAL MEANING-HAVING MALAFIDE INTENTION
Re: Re: @ PGN
by Avinash on Dec 22, 2011 08:48 AM
If a term like "MLECHCHA" was used in India, terms like Paagans/Hathens/Kafirs were used by the followers of the supposed egelatariationReligions originated in theWestAsia!
Re: Re: Re: @ PGN
by Avinash on Dec 22, 2011 08:49 AM
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Re: Re: Re: @ PGN
by Avinash on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 AM
ImposterPGN, None of us existed when the whole world was divided into two by a middle-agedArab in the seventhCentury. For his followers, any one out side their charmed circle, including the rivalSects of their ownReligion is either munfiqOrKafir and should either be convrtd or eliminated at any cost.
