Looks like a Govt sponsored article to defame him and counter him from moving with an other agitation. People have supported Anna because of his agenda. Only after seeing his agenda, they supported him. People of this country can think what is good and bad for them and no matter who wants to agitate if the cause is not good, nobody will join him. I suggest the author to stop unwanted research on his practices and instead do something good for the society. I wonder if the author participated in the IAC agitation.
1. Not stated whether or not there is voice vote in town meetings to decide these punishments like flogging for drinking, removing Cable TV, etc.
2. Not mentioned whether people in the village are happy or not. Even Indian democracy is pseudo-majority-Raj, the rest have to accept.
3. Ram is not a Brahminical icon. That's proper bullsh_t. Ram is an all-welcoming Khsatriya Hindu God, he was not Brahmin himself.
4. Belief in God's hidden ways is not only not Brahminical, it is more of the lower castes of Hinduism - the Warkaris and the Bhakti Panthis are the best examples. The Brahminical way is to master Vedas and Puranas and do meditation and worship and Tapasya. Even today it is accepted as so. Sharma should talk to about 100 normal Hindus before calling this Brahminical.
4. Effectively Sharma is arguing for freedom to pursue vices like vulgarity and liquor
5. Eating non-veg is a freedom for Sharma. Well, slaughter of innocent feeling animals, in the name of freedom is not as noble as it sounds when it is called "freedom"
While I fully support freedom of humans to do all this, and whatever else, I also equally support freedom of all those poor animals to live without fear of humans. Animals also form part of the nation, alongwith plants. Eating a goat and a chicken while not eating a dog or a cat is clearly discrimination based o your taste-buds and "sensibilites".
Re: Many factual defects in this story
by Devdutt Nayak on Aug 29, 2011 07:04 PM
6. Absence of elections is bad if there is no way to speak out your opinion. If there is freedom of speech and it is considered in a Gram Sabha then representative democracy is not needed because a superior all-referendum system is in place. This is BETTER not worse. To decide, enough facts are needed which are not given. Otherwise yes, this is a valid objection against Anna Hazare, he is exposed as being hypocritical.
The Dalit who is not able to raise his voice, is his version honest, is it just one man, or are there many? If Anna cared for them and brought them to the stage they are and then wants them to not get ambitious it is more egalitarian than anti-democratic a bit like Cuba or earlier USSR in terms of absence of encouragement to private enterprise.
7. It is indeed a necessity for a settlement of humans to have a few cobblers, a few blacksmiths, a few tailors, a few doctors, a few midwifes, a few soldiers and so on.
Who decides who gets which job is what matters.
If a cobbler's son decides to become a tailor or a soldier or a Brahmin, then he should be encouraged to do so.
That is a positive democracy.
It is also definitely good if everyone knows two of these trades instead of just one. Today, our democratic and economic system forces us to study two disciplines. This is a good thing that Anna must take back to Ralegan Siddhi.
Re: Re: Many factual defects in this story
by Devdutt Nayak on Aug 29, 2011 07:16 PM
8. The Gita, where castes are redefined for the modern day by Krishna, says that caste is based on skill and occupation, NOT BY BIRTH.
This is being done well by Entrance tests in our democratic system except that Reservation has hijacked the fairness of the tests in unethical favour of SC ST.
This is the Supreme Court's view based on interpretation of the laws made by MPs, so we have to live with it.
Ironically, this very reservation thing may change due to Anna Hazare's reform and suddenly you might find more seats and more openings in Govt offices.
Will this hurt Dalits? Well, has Reservation helped Dalits? A 60 year-long failed experiment cannot be blamed on Anna. If Dalit MPs and Dalit Ministers cannot uplift Dalits for 60 years, then how do we help them through this Dalit-special system?
This is a far deeper problem. They've actually got inferior genes by centuries of being sidelined. Is Anna to blame for removal of a non-functioning falsely pro-Dalit system?
9. Rest assured that Anna's success, to whatever level, will NEVER threaten our constitution as much as the present political class has abused it.
Does anyone here really imagine that Anna will usurp Indian democracy and institute a fascist dictatorship?
Is this not going on record as being a total idiot or a paid shill?
Are Dalit MPs paying the author so that they can continue to exploit their Dalit brethren?
Re: Re: Re: Many factual defects in this story
by Amar Singh on Aug 29, 2011 08:28 PM
Devdutt Nayak, no way would you call someone who dilligently writes such a piece a "total idiot". So the other part of question remains, "a paid shill". Well, how much Rediff must have paid for this piece?
>>>RSS again trying to unstable Constitution,Democracy and Securalism>>> how manyMuslims believe in these concepts? When in minority you guys talk about Democracy and Secularism but when in Majority you want to make it IslamicRepublic (if notCaliphate) and imposeShariah!
>>>>India got 82% of hindus still living in India after 1000 years of Muslim rulers>>> first of all theMuslims never ruled India for 1000 years. Secondly you are talking about present day India where the IslamicInvaders failed to convrt majority of the natives into theirReligion. Why don't you talk about present day Pakistan and Bengladesha also? How many HindusBuddhistsAndChristians are left in those places now? 98% of present day Pak population areMuslims.
Who is resposible if you guys cannot get rid of theCasteSystem even hundreds of years after convrsion?
Yes,AtheistsAndCommunists Are Secularists but do you tolerate theAtheists/Communists also? More than ten lakhCommunists were butchered in Indonesia, with the active connivance of CIA in 1966. NajihullahWas hanged from aStreetlightPole and his supporters were butchered in broad daylight.
Is there anyCommunistMovement in anyMuslimMajoirtyCountries?
And of course we have special consideration for theDalitsAnd otherLowerCastes. The lateEMS who strived his whole life for the upliftment of the downtrodden class belonged to the highestClass ofBrahmins. So also the late AKG, KrishnaPillai, E.K.Nayanar, etc were alsoUpperCasteHindus. We do not have any ulteriorMotives likeConversions when weHelp others.
Re: @ Ahamed
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:45 PM
Islam also follows caste system. Shia, Sunni, Ahmadia, Sufi ... one can't stand the other ... no need to point at other religions ... examples in your own ;)
Re: Re: @ Ahamed
by JGNtheAtheist on Aug 29, 2011 06:47 PM
They are calledSects and notCastes; each sect claims that they are the purest of pureMuslims and look down with contempt at other sects. TheSunnisAndShias have been fighting with each other since time immemorial.
Re: history
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:46 PM
that whole week must be a historical week ... Govt was doing Salsa dance - one step forward, two steps back, then turn back and announce we have come two steps forward ;)) hahaha..
Its eye-opener for Muslims,Dalits and lower-caste people in India.How RSS is going to unstable future india with "Mask Anna".They failed with Hatred of Indian Constitution ,Flag,Killing of Ghandiji,1001 Riots,Gujrat,Bombay,Orissa,Babri,even with bomb blasts they failed to Unstable India. Now new Tactics "Using Ghandi's Name and Anna's Face" RSS again trying to unstable Constitution,Democracy and Securalism
Re: Its eye-opener for Muslims,Dalits and marginalised communitie
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:36 PM
right ... how an OBC was able to follow Gandhiian principles and fasted for 13 days, in which millions of Indians awoke from their slumber and gave the corrupt of this country a thorough shakedown. It is a case study now in the IIMs... if you are educated, that is.
Re: Re: Its eye-opener for Muslims,Dalits and marginalised commun
by JGNtheAtheist on Aug 29, 2011 06:41 PM
Ahamed, why are you shedding crocodile tears for theDalits and lower caste people of India? They are also kafiiirs. Can you pl tell us what is the treatment reserved for the kafiiirs inIslam?
Re: Its eye-opener for Muslims,Dalits and marginalised communitie
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:47 PM
YAAWWNNN ... my eyes can't stay open with this kind of crap anymore... Wake me up when Ahmed returns to Afghanistan
Re: LOL
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:28 PM
300 MCDs did what the Government is paying their salary for. 5 JCBs did what they would have done for any other party. Crane mounted cameras were looking for TRP ratings. 45 ambulances were there to save lives in case terrorists from across border planted bomb. Then your govt would have collapsed. 36 doctors were there so you can't blame 1 doctor if something unfortunate happened to Anna. Delhi govt gave cars, so people can forget CWG. Delhi govt did not give any food. It was organised by volunteers. Water was organised by volunteers. Toilet is the Government's basic job, even that they could only provide 3 for a crowd of 40,000. This is called Congy disinformation campaign.
How much is Madam ji's hospitalisation bill? Who is paying it?
Re: LOL
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:29 PM
300 MCDs did what the Government is paying their salary for. 5 JCBs did what they would have done for any other party. Crane mounted cameras were looking for TRP ratings. 45 ambulances were there to save lives in case terrorists from across border planted bomb. Then your govt would have collapsed. 36 doctors were there so you can't blame 1 doctor if something unfortunate happened to Anna. Delhi govt gave cars, so people can forget CWG. Delhi govt did not give any food. It was organised by volunteers. Water was organised by volunteers. Toilet is the Government's basic job, even that they could only provide 3 for a crowd of 40,000. This is called Congy disinformation campaign.
Re: Re: Re: Kejirwel and US Companies
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:23 PM
Italian mafia sponsoring Robbing India corporate party and everyone enjoying the party ;)
Re: Re: Re: Kejirwel and US Companies
by lookpaul on Aug 29, 2011 06:24 PM
You mean the Congis are backing the BJP? It couldn't get worse for you then....better flee to our neighbouring country
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kejirwel and US Companies
by BharatiyaAgni on Aug 29, 2011 06:31 PM
Rest assured corrupt people are going down in this country. Now whether you want to flee or not, depends on you...
