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by shilpy on Apr 22, 2011 11:02 PM
congress dominated upa gets a lot of saudi money from wahabis. under mamta rule the specter of islamic coercion in bengal will come into full play. like kashmir, bengal and a lot of ne india will slip away from the union. bengalis have a historic opportunity to turn thigs around by electing independent candidates from the mainstream, kicking out the burdensome entrenched ones like mamta and commies.
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by NIRMALYA on Apr 24, 2011 01:55 PM
The rent for one helicopter per hour is 1.8 lakh per hour(excluding airport charge/landing charge/maintaenance cost/food and lodging for the staff and engineers of the aircraft)..The satotar protik has used 2 such in this years election..who haas give so much money to TMC?CPM have ceratin income which is clear in its return to Income Tax Dept..Plesae Clarify Sujit Babu where from so much money have been drained into?
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by sujit sengupta on Apr 22, 2011 03:50 PM
great...so one nmore Komred admits that CPM is loosing this election.But still fnids CIA fundings.Whats the use of Snifferer dogs in Intelligence Dpt anymore.
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by sujit sengupta on Apr 23, 2011 02:00 PM
Really..?/so why did Gautam Deb yesterday said in Star anondo that there are CIA agents in CPM party...??who is the agent there..?is it Budhdhubabu..??or Biman Babu...??
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by sujit sengupta on Apr 23, 2011 01:58 PM
Really..?/so why did Gautam Deb yesterday said in Star anondo that there are CIA agents in CPM party...??who is the agent there..?is it Budhdhubabu..??or Biman Babu...??
There are many projects for future. grab them. west bangal is link between poor states in north east and bihar and Odissa. west bangal can work as fly over between these poor states. Tata's decision was great to go west bangal. but it didnt work out because poltics. now educated people in WB should unite and spread awarness among masses. how much they loose if they dont get projects like this. meanwhile encourage people to be good consumer, produce and consume quality goods and serivices and jobs will be created. this is mantra. there is no short cut. govt cant create jobs for you. wake up to the reality of modern world. you have to serve human needs and get paid. its that simple. keep raising the quality of your product and services, try reach world class standard in everything you do. and prosperity will come knocking on your door. Jai ho.
Re: Learn from mistake.
by Abhik RayChaudhury on Apr 23, 2011 05:30 AM
Bihari Babu, Thanks for your wise comments. However, the problem with Bengal today is poisonous politics. Tata project is victim to that. Bengal is sliding down economically and otherwise for quite some time and this slide will continue in the future. Young Benaglis will leave the state for jobs and education. This is reality. The so called literate Bengalis are actually a problem because they are in the forefront of the destructive politics. Bihar on the other hand is coming up under Nitish Kumar. Reports from Bihar are very positive probably Bihar can be the leader of tomorrow for the eastern states. West Benagl does not have a good outlook in the near future.
Re: Learn from mistake.
by guru on Apr 22, 2011 11:47 AM
In Bengal people are more worried for their rights rather then duties , for that reasons many companies have closed their shutters & many have opted out for any further expansions. Take a case of an software personnel or any well educated person whom an organisation doesnt want to leave as he has become an asset by performing & delivering good results. He will have better bargains without support of a union. Unions are required for those who doesnt want to work & stillwants good salary.
Re: Re: Learn from mistake.
by shripad dixit on Apr 23, 2011 06:53 AM
I FULLY AGREE WITH THIS REPLY. THE FIRST AND LAST SENTENCE OF THE COMMENT ARE APPLICABLE TO WHOLE OF INDIA. I REITERATE THE SAME WITH DUE MODIFICATION WITH PERMISSION : "In Indian people are more worried for their rights rather then duties." "Unions are required for those who doesnt want to work & still wants good salary." There is no machinery in India to check the duties and responsibilities. Everybody wants rights without responsibilities. Banks, Rlys, Central/State Govts. etc are major players where above creatures are spreading in geometiric proportion. Can anybody stops this?
It is ver hard to envisage that Bengal will ever change the way it is now. Neither Mamata nor Buddha can do anything. Simply by changing political dispensation at Writers Building will not usher a new Bengal so long as the stick in the mud and snobbish attitude; and self-congratulatory posture of its folks over its arguably great sons of past couple of centuries do not change.
Re: Aamar Sonar Bangla
by sujit sengupta on Apr 23, 2011 11:39 AM
Just see Bihar.Even before the Bihar elections,Laloo followers said...who ever comes,Bihar won't make any improvement.But see Bihar after Nitishkumar won.The same will happen to West Bengal.
I agree with Biplab. To the whole agitation was 100% politically motivated, initiated by Mamata Banerjee and her party. Not only Calcutta High court, during the agitation Justice Mukherjee from Bombay High Court (If I am not wrong) came and submitted his report to the then Governor. I read his comments that said clearly that the way Mamata Basnerjee and her partymen are agitating is illegal. Mamata Banerjee scuttled the project and in doing so caused irreparable damage to industrialization of the state.
Re: Agree with Biplab
by pradipta banerjee on Apr 22, 2011 05:54 AM
do not talk shit!! you know nothing! farmer's fight for their fertile land is illigal? Mamata came in picture much later! even Medha Patkar had been dragged by the hair for protesting against the inhumane CPM caders and their pet police force!!
Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by Abhik RayChaudhury on Apr 22, 2011 06:12 AM
Farmers were never fighting. There were some 'unwilling farmers, whatever that means. Most of the farmers agreed to sell. even after Tata withdrew, people from Singur wanted them to come back. farmers do have a right to fight, no problem with that. However, capitulating to their demand that led to departure of such an important project for the whole state and the region is impractical. Entire West Bengal is fertile. Does that mean that there should not be any industry? If you do not know the importance of industry over agriculture for economic development then stop writing nonsense. However, may I ask you what happened to the farmers who agitated. Did they get their land back? The answer is NO. What is Mamata Banerjee doing towards that end?
Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by pradipta banerjee on Apr 22, 2011 06:33 AM
how did you conclude that farmers were not fighting? u know how the lands were acquired - cpm caders went home to home campaign - firstly they say - give up ur land - then they threatened them - either give up - or ur land will forcefully acquired - then they applied force to capture farmer's land by fencing the same.. - even Buddhababu accepted that fact that it was worng on his part to be a dictator! I am not against Industralisation - but policy land acquisition policy should have been different and it could have resolved so many issues! political leaders (mostly CPM and Congress)/ invested huge money in real estate around that area - and hence land price has also shoot up like anything in that period.. ultimatly unwilling poor farmers nither got their land back nor received any compensation which is most unfortunate - and pls do not make a joke out of it!! I do not know about Mamata's benifits but what I know is Tata s could easly have started the factory just spearing 400 acres of land - but they did not do that.. instead Mr Ratan Tata took huge benifit from Gujrat govt and decided to move - you should not forget that as well.. think about how much he acuired in Gujrat for Nano plant??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by Abhik RayChaudhury on Apr 22, 2011 05:34 PM
Narendra Modi is an able politician and he offered benefits that Tata could not refuse. There were other states waiting in line to get the factory too. Thats the way business is conducted throughout the globe, except in West Bengal. You can shout for the rest of your life about rights and wrong as you are only good at that.
Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by pradipta banerjee on Apr 22, 2011 06:32 AM
how did you conclude that farmers were not fighting? u know how the lands were acquired - cpm caders went home to home campaign - firstly they say - give up ur land - then they threatened them - either give up - or ur land will forcefully acquired - then they applied force to capture farmer's land by fencing the same.. - even Buddhababu accepted that fact that it was worng on his part to be a dictator! I am not against Industralisation - but policy land acquisition policy should have been different and it could have resolved so many issues! political leaders (mostly CPM and Congress)/ invested huge money in real estate around that area - and hence land price has also shoot up like anything in that period.. ultimatly unwilling poor farmers nither got their land back nor received any compensation which is most unfortunate - and pls do not make a joke out of it!! I do not know about Mamata's benifits but what I know is Tata s could easly have started the factory just spearing 400 acres of land - but they did not do that.. instead Mr Ratan Tata took huge benifit from Gujrat govt and decided to move - you should not forget that as well.. think about how much he acuired in Gujrat for Nano plant??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by poppinjay on Apr 22, 2011 08:50 AM
It is ver hard to envisage that Bengal will ever change the way it is now. Neither Mamata nor buddha can do anything. Simply by changing political dispensation at Writers Building will not usher a new Bengal so long as the stick in the mud and snobbish attitude and self-congratulatory posture of its folks over its arguably great sons of past couple of centuries do not change
Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by sujit sengupta on Apr 22, 2011 11:27 AM
Farmers were never fighting..?/wow...so you mean to say Mamata Bannerjee alone organised this fight..?so you admit that she so powerfull that she can fight alone and drive away an industrialist like Tata...??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by Abhik RayChaudhury on Apr 23, 2011 05:41 AM
Some farmers were asking for more money. this problem could have been solved through negotiation. Mamata Banerjee exploited this situation by illegally block a national highway and starting an agitation that resulted in departure of the most promising industrial project for Bengal in decades. If you think the cause of those 200 unwilling farmers are more important then you can rest assure that your children will have to look for livelihood out of the state like many others have been doing for decades now. Your view is an example of how narrow minded politics has ruined the economic prospect of the state. An industrialist of Tata's caliber does not need Bengal or Bengali creatures like you. There are many state in India and abroad that will invite him with red carpet, while brainless souls like you will sit in the shanty tea stall and keep on barking.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by sujit sengupta on Apr 23, 2011 11:53 AM
Negotiation happened in front of th Governor and this wortghless Budhdhubabu did not agree to this negotiation later. Its not only me,even leftist leaders like Somnath Chatterjee,Ashok MItra said..."even if one single farmer is unwilling,his land should not be focibly acquired". and an industrialist like Tatas' calible should not have done Real estate business .In case they wants to do that let them do in any other state.We are happy with Burn standard,Breithwett,and other german companies who are willing to invest in this state under the able leadership of Mamata Bannerjee.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by sujit sengupta on Apr 23, 2011 11:43 AM
Negotiation happened in front of th Governor and this wortghless Budhdhubabu did not agree to this negotiation later. Its not only me,even leftist leaders like Somnath Chatterjee,Ashok MItra said..."even if one single farmer is unwilling,his land should not be focibly acquired". and an industrialist like Tatas' calible should not have done Real estate business .In case they wants to do that let them do in any other state.We are happy with Burn standard,Breithwett,and other german companies who are willing to invest in this state under the able leadership of Mamata Bannerjee.
Re: Agree with Biplab
by Md Mustakim on Apr 22, 2011 09:20 AM
you are wrong!! Mamta banerjee fought for the unwilling farmers whose land was forcibly taken away at gun - point. She only wanted the land for the unwilling marginal farmers be returned. You may remember that a meeting was held in the presence of Hon'ble Governor between Mamta and Buddha and an agreement was reached that a committee will look into the whole issue of returning land to the unwilling farmers. But the Govt. backed out. What's the fault of Mamta Banerjee? It's her fault that she stood by the poor farmers and that she stood by the side of the family whose daughter Tapashi was brutally raped and murdered by the CPI(M) cadres at Singur. CPI(M) are now talking about industrialisation but it's a fact that because of their militant tradeunionism hundreds of factories were closed down in the state. CPI(M) looted and plundered the wealth of the State only to benefit thier party cadres. Wherefrom they got money to build their palatial party offices in every district of WB? Their party leaders live in palatial buildings and they boast of being a party of poor (sic.). Let's hope and pray that they are ousted this time for once and all.
Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by Abhik RayChaudhury on Apr 22, 2011 05:27 PM
Did the farmers get their land back? The answer is no. Nano factory is gone. Almost all of Bengal is fertile. Land needs to be acquired by government for industrialization. That is reality. You all are looking at i through party lines, through a political lens. but the issue is not political. The issue is revival of the state where young men and women can find work.
Re: Re: Re: Agree with Biplab
by sujit sengupta on Apr 23, 2011 11:59 AM
How would the farmers get back the money when the Tatas have not stopped renewing the lease.In fact why Tatas are renewing the lease when they have officialy quited...??and its not an political issue.Its the issue of prtesting against theindustrialists acquiring land for real estate business in the name of industrialisation.
