Re: america playing foul.
by giveanid on Sep 04, 2010 07:54 AM
The best proof is that all the military powers of the time including Europe and Mongols set forth to 'discover'/conquer India through land/sea.
Every religion which has a civilization associated with it has stories of war and war heroes were the first lords. Later religions like Islm, do not have the long history of Indian/Chinese/Greek civilizations and so they don't have heroes to be proud of.
Re: truth
by giveanid on Sep 04, 2010 08:02 AM
So was the case in China, esp in the 90s. You can see countless reports in BBC archives with pictures of working children. Not that this justifies child labor. Only to point out that this is sad but common feature of developing countries. Let us not think about Pakistan/BD!SO prevalent in Pak that even multinationals like Nike was blithely using it. Hard to see that in India.
Re: truth
by Srinivasan natesan on Sep 04, 2010 12:01 PM
So, are you pronouncing judgements? Child labour should not exist, and this is fine. But what is the relevance of your point?
India was economically by far the largest economy of the world only 1000 years back. What we lacked was military preparedness, techonlogy in the military hardware , unity and thus we were invaded first by Muslims and then by Britishers. Our current strategy of becoming an economic superpower without guarding ourselves against potential threats is suicidal. What use would be economics , if we are strategically and militarily not superior than our foes. Its like our people slog for hundreds of years become rich and some powerful civilisation invades us and takes our riches , thats simply stupidity. India should invest heavily in countering Chinese String of Pearls strategy and build Trishul Strategy , Trishul means Three Blades connected with a staff. Three- Taiwan , South Korea, Japan and the staff would be Vietnam. These nations are equally disturbed by aggressive China and wants Indian help to counter a powerful bully like China. Morever steps like issuing stapled visas to Tibetians and Uighurs should be taken asap. In its march towards becoming a powerful nation China used to take US headon , though US was much more stronger , so nothing harm in using Chinese Strategy against them. Meanwhile we should work towards gradual Disintegration of our principal Foe Pakistan . Instead of 25 million us $ , which was given in aid , same money should be given to our intelligence agency to ramp up our ineffective RAW and IB in Pak. Baluchistan should be carved out of Pakistan .
Re: Strategic Thinking is absent in India
by Jugal Ahuja on Sep 04, 2010 01:08 PM
milindiji why don't you join the pmo, there is a vacancy there, your advice will be crucial for mms. obama is arriving in india in november,thus join immediately,so as to brief mms, in order that he can take this up with obama.
Re: Strategic Thinking is absent in India
by Jugal Ahuja on Sep 04, 2010 01:09 PM
milindiji why don't you join the pmo, there is a vacancy there, your advice will be crucial for mms. obama is arriving in india in november,thus join immediately,so as to brief mms, in order that he can take this up with obama.
Re: Strategic Thinking is absent in India
by Jugal Ahuja on Sep 04, 2010 01:05 PM
milindiji why don't you join the pmo, there is a vacancy there, your advice will be crucial for mms. obama is arriving in india in november,thus join immediately,so as to brief mms, in order that he can take this up with obama.
Re: Strategic Thinking is absent in India
by proud Indian on Sep 04, 2010 04:37 AM
but MMS is pro pakistan..so he will not give 25 mn to starving Indians in the first place..frgt giving it to RAW
Re: Strategic Thinking is absent in India
by Jugal Ahuja on Sep 04, 2010 01:07 PM
milindiji why don't you join the pmo, there is a vacancy there, your advice will be crucial for mms. obama is arriving in india in november,thus join immediately,so as to brief mms, in order that he can take this up with obama.
If only the freaking Chinese and Indians could work together, US would freak out. But no - China has to be all gung-ho about Arunachal Pradesh even though their country is hundreds of times that space and India will never have a strong stance on anything - because that's how we are - we don't make hasty decisions. If we could keep aside the mutual disrespect and suspicions, the two Asian powers with Russia's help (to India) would mess up American - not directly but would freak them out so much that they would be forced to come to the forefront with their plans and not just play behind the screens like they do now by paying Pakistan to attack India and what not.
Re: If only..
by Navi Reyd on Sep 06, 2010 07:09 AM
"America paying Pakistan to attack India"? That sounds like a new concoction by the increasingly unpopular Indian Communists and their supporters. Reminds me of the days when the KGB were paying (bribing) the Indian Communists/media/supporters to magnify the perceived imperfections of the USA, and to turn a blind eye to the brutalites of the now disintegrated Soviet Union.
Re: If only..
by TruPatriot on Sep 04, 2010 12:28 PM
yeah dream on commie...china is going to invade arunachal pradesh sooner or later..by the time it will be too late for alliances..commie brothers from your state and roshagolla state will give red carpet to china
Re: If only..
by TruPatriot on Sep 04, 2010 12:30 PM
yeah dream on commie...china is going to invade arunachal pradesh sooner or later..by the time it will be too late for alliances..commie brothers from your state and roshagolla state will give red carpet to china
China & the US, both r very particular about their "core issues", and if needed they willnt hesistate to use India as a pawn! US interest lies in giving all the best possible services to its citizens, irrespective of race or religion, whereas China's core interest is no-nonsense approach in dealing with its geographic teritorries, tibet, taiwan, even arunaachal!! China is still issuing stapled visas for Kashmiris, directly rediculing our sovereignty. And the voilence created by Pakistan sponsered groups on our soil, isnt a matter of much concern to its core isse! Similarly, India should define its core issue and stick to it all thru', irrespective of Cong or Bjp leading it!
I am living in USA. So I can say that India shouldn't trust blindly on USA as they alwasy believe in use and throw policy.(It will happen shortly with PAK in next decade.) I don't know more about china, but as per our past experience and China impression in world doesn't allow us to trust on them. So keep distance from both country as possible as you can(even you have to compromise your economic growth) for peace in India. I don't like to see India as next Afgan or Pak of south asia. We people are enough intelligent to keep growing if you leave of 10% selefishness from our nature.
Re: USA and China
by TruPatriot on Sep 04, 2010 12:13 AM
if possible we can cut India and plant it in the middle pacific ocean..so that we can keep distance from china and pakis..asole..you dont need to live in usa to say we cant trust usa
Re: Re: USA and China
by Hardik on Sep 04, 2010 12:27 AM
you asole, I pay USA to live in USA. I didn't get any benefit to reside in USA and will leave it once my assignment over. Don't bark like paki...because every trupat(PAT) is suicide vest..
Re: Re: Re: USA and China
by TruPatriot on Sep 04, 2010 12:43 AM
I think somebody pays you to stay in USA..I wonder is it Alquida mullahs..Ashole..be loyal to who gives you Roti..dont bark like stray dog..
Re: Re: Re: Re: USA and China
by Hardik on Sep 04, 2010 01:10 AM
As I wrote that we don't blindly trust on USA, it is not unloyal to USA. As I am indian citizen, I just wrote that we need to make sure peace in India and keep safe our country from any enemy(in form of friends too). From ur comments, you seems that u r not indian citizen or you patroit like Gandhi family of india. I hope that you stop to use ur half mind before replying me. and enjoy ur life in USA....best luck
Re: USA and China
by Navi Reyd on Sep 04, 2010 01:04 AM
Unlike India, which backed the wrong horse, the disintegrated Soviet Union, during the Cold War, Pakistan, good or bad, like her or hate her, has always been a faithful ally of the USA, and will continue to be so. Sooner or later, China will isolate India in Asia, and India will have to turn to the USA for help just as its Prime and/or Finance Ministers used to annually go to Washington for aid with the "begging bowl" for several years after independence.
Re: Re: USA and China
by dev singh on Sep 04, 2010 04:43 AM
Why the hell you have to come to an indian site? Fkr go back to madarasha and learn how to kill innocents.
Re: Re: Re: USA and China
by Navi Reyd on Sep 05, 2010 12:32 AM
One should not display one's low culture and mentality on this forum by using offensive language.
with our best friend usa helping us & with obama coming for his indian visit in november, i think india should not take much notice of a 3rd world country like china.with usa's help india in a few years will become the largest economy in asia.
Re: india should not care about china
by PHAM on Sep 04, 2010 01:58 AM
The criminal nation which is in deep trouble is unable to help itself right now!How it can help India.Watch out it may turn India into another Iraq or Afganistan.Where ever the bloody gunslinger goes,economic risk,financial risk,secuirety risk,social risk,cultural risk will follow.
Re: Re: india should not care about china
by dev singh on Sep 04, 2010 04:46 AM
They are atleast part of civilized world unlike your country (porki) and its allies china and Iran.
It would be better if India and China shred away from US and in process Pakistan should join hands .( any how Pakistan would not have to pay back what ever it got in name of aid) US wuld have to turn towards europe and its long term Isriel to make more errends to kill innocent people. The Westeners are as all know playing policy of devide and rule this time its with aid and aids as lollypops. we asians are yet not learning from the Policies of these countries. Dont forget Australians are also part of it.
Re: China, India ,Pakistan
by kumar gold on Sep 04, 2010 02:11 AM
Dear sareen We need not depend on anybody , our country should be made strong economically , militarily to with stand pressures . Once you are strong everyone settles dispute peacefully and does not bully . Good relations are welcome with neighbours and with US also but at equality . China is never trustworthy .One need tobe vigilant to protect our interests and nation .India may use the opportunity to its own interest if you are strong . Hence we should amke our nation strong in every aspect Chandra
Us can;t declare war directly on china, they want to fire using india's shoulder and china too can't declare war on india directly they use pakis for this. if India thinks that by US support they can overtake china then its just an illusion .. US is nvr going to give support to that extent..
only two countries will be sufferer in whole drama india and pakistan .. us and china r just going to enjoy that drama
Re: better to be careful from both china and usa
by sri on Sep 03, 2010 10:38 PM
Why do you think India will just allow itself to be used. Do you think the US likes seeing India improving its relationship with China? And yet, India tries to do that. The US and India must work together and that doesnt mean India should do everything the US tells it to do.
Re: Re: better to be careful from both china and usa
by TruPatriot on Sep 03, 2010 11:33 PM
I agree on Jaspal's point..For India , Pakistan is bigger attachment than any other issue on foreign policy..even if it is failed state..phukers in north block so obsessed with Pakis..they will ignore even if US lends genuine help...Indian admnistration will lose USA help and chinese will mess with india on eastern and western fronts quite easily to break the illusion that Indian threat to chinese economic growth...this is what going to happen..Also asholes in north bloc will surely support failed causes like Iran( we wont get anything out of it) Palestine, Tibet etc etc....All is time pass..Indian disintegration wil be real before 2150
