Re: Re: hmm
by Jai Babu on Oct 19, 2010 09:25 AM
Whystart breast-beating that the Ayodya judgement was not decided on Faith! Why now many espouse that courts should decide only on legal merit? What happened in the ShahBano case where Mus1ims claimed that it was a matter of their faith? What about the Far-Mosque dispute in Jerusalem, because Mohd is reported to have landed there after visiting heaven! So is it on faith or does someone have Mohd's air ticket counterfoil or Entry receipt???
Re: Re: Re: hmm
by Wahaj Faridy on Oct 19, 2010 09:32 AM
Shah Bano case required to be dealt as per Personal law under constitution and law of the land, just like property disputes of Hindus are dealt as per Hindu laws (again under constitution and law of the land).
But SC did activism and chose to side step Personal law. Muslims only sought to correct that anamoly
Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by Jai Babu on Oct 19, 2010 09:33 AM
What else to expect from brainwashed zombies who blindly follow the deraged fantasies of desert nomads and a goatherd who unleashed war & misery upon the world!
Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by guy giggling on Oct 19, 2010 09:07 AM
Buddy. It's the voice of majority and opinion of the majority that counts anywhere.
Why? democracy itself is based on the voice of the majority.
If you can't see the writing on the wall, that means you are short sighted. Shortsightedness of the rulers and populace is harmful for a nation.
Trying to silence any voice against you is just tyrannical. You know dictators (which almost all the muslim kings were). Dictators are those who rule the land against the will of the majority and most dictators are killed by the people or other kings or by their own children.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by Jai Babu on Oct 19, 2010 09:57 AM
For every Terror incident, for every train you set on fire, for every stone thrown, the Mus1im community has had to pay a heavy price in terms of toll of life!Remember Gujrat after Godhra? Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, etc now! So many are dying at the hands of terrorists or drone attacks or the West's military coalition! And Kashmiris are now having it easy? So Mr. Wahaj, dont threaten others with Terror and belligerance! The world's patience with Radical Is1am is running out!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by guy giggling on Oct 19, 2010 10:42 AM
Yeah! that's what I am telling you. You people want to hold a whole nation to ransom by terrorism and when one judgement goes against you in all fairness (though I don't understand why Muslims should get 1/3 of the land at all) you start lamenting about constitution and all the crap. when you have work a twin edged sword, you are bound to cut yourself on both sides.
Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by Jai Babu on Oct 19, 2010 10:35 AM
Started ur Al Taqqiya again Wahaj? It was ur brave Talibanis who b1asted the BamiyaBuddha monoliths!
Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by Jena Bharati on Oct 19, 2010 09:00 AM
With blinding faith in history you have been taught, i am sure you will do some potential damage to human peace and dignity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by Jena Bharati on Oct 19, 2010 09:30 AM
Did you write on tamra patra, and where is that evidence? I still say that with your knowldege of history that My faith is best you throw logic and reason to wind. No body knows god, and covertion make it only worse- a crisis of conscience-that is where you are.
Hindus written record go to several thousnad BC if you care for.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by guy giggling on Oct 19, 2010 09:15 AM
assuming that the written documentation remains unchanged over the centuries. Then why is Ramzan called Ramadan in the Gulf?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farooqi should not do Jugglery of words
by guy giggling on Oct 19, 2010 09:30 AM
Then what's the use of writing them down if your own people write it in different forms.
And do you mean to say that Ramzan is Hindi or English and Ramadan is arabic?
If the most important festival of your faith has different forms at present, who knows what it was called earlier. If we are not sure of the name of one festival how can you boast that the written tenents or doctrines have remained the same over centuries. what is the guarentee that they didn't change accordiing to the 'narrator's' tongue, his understanding.
Don't try to do one-upmanship on religion and faith. it's illogical. after all religion is a matter of faith. You believe your holy book remained unchanged but I gave an example how that's impossible. Don't offer that as an USP for your faith. Find something better, like, for example .... peaceful coexistence. sorry sorry sorry. That's something your faith doesn't understand(probably nothing written about that).
scenario that one can work around. I liked Mr Ansari solution that muslim karseva to help build temple and hindus karseva to build a mosque at a place of their choice ( of course one of the party has to be off the site so that more land can be used for Lord ram's temple if hindu wants a grand temple. People must keep politicians off- and lord ram temple must be a public property in a well set up legal structire like a trust)
Coexitence come ina number of ways, and let well meaning people talk, but this AMPLB and shariat in indian context( roots of both community are same) is disturbing.
Again being agrieved or victim is not a solution. There are thousands reason that one can not deny the tradition of ram, and find coexistence in that context.
I like to read historical accounts based on reliable evidence, and I know some facts, and have read some good history accounts. But desists from reading garden variety that brinds up any garden variety to suit its claim.
Re: Yes coexisting is laways a better option, and it gives 1001
by tajender on Oct 19, 2010 09:06 AM
after sunset he will drown himslf in wines and c0ncub1ns.
Re: Yes coexisting is laways a better option, and it gives 1001
by tajender on Oct 19, 2010 09:04 AM
.land grabbers are using him to grab the land of others and create voilence. wife of bhgwn cannot be kidnapped.
Re: Yes coexisting is laways a better option, and it gives 1001
by Original Indian on Oct 19, 2010 09:37 AM
This is not the matter of religion. If Ram was a GOD his birth place should not be a disputed site. This is politician and some fundamentalist separatist making the situtaion for their own benefit. Otherwise we all know that we dont have idea, whether Ram actually existed or What is the exact laocation of his birth place. In such situation we can make the temple at any place in Ayodhya while taking the muslims into the confidence. Muslims cant handover the land of mosque at any cost. Its better for both the communities to sit together and build both temple and mosque side by side.
Re: Yes coexisting is laways a better option, and it gives 1001
by tajender on Oct 19, 2010 09:14 AM
HE IS NOT INCLUDED IN LIST OF BHGWANS.THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO TEMPLE DEDICATED TO HIM.LAND GRABBERS HAS MADE HIM THEIR MESSIAH.
Re: Re: Yes coexisting is laways a better option, and it gives 10
by Jena Bharati on Oct 19, 2010 09:33 AM
Let hindu be land grabbers this time. you had grabbed several places, several times. This is in contrast with peace and honor.
Islam is in disarry. More & more people leaving it..a recent debate on "Islam is a religion of peace' left the Muslim team on the motion absolutley clueless. The opposition was not even harsh. In US, Muslim Students Union in universities are now breaking up and many Muslims kids are openly defying the religion.
Re: Islam breakin up
by tajender on Oct 19, 2010 08:57 AM
islam is not in disarray.zoinists attacks on iraq and afghanistan have united them and pauperized usn.international headquarter of zoinism,brhmnsm&imperialism.
Re: Islam breakin up
by aman on Oct 19, 2010 07:37 AM
Every religion/system has its end, The humans are not satisfied with what he got he should move on. Too much greed/ego is the cause of the failures of existing system, Real Buddha's middle way is the ultimate truth that brings happiness, nature is the neutralizer and knowledge is what that will drive us up.
Look, in 1992, Hindoos were weak, India was weak too (Govt had to beg IMF for dollar loans as they ran out of foreign currency). Mohemeddans on the other hand were strong and even the Western Govt (plus Arab nations) were on their side...fast forward 2010, India is the fastest growing economy in the world (next only to China)...Hindus (courtesy of the IT boom) are 10 times more richer and stronger than all of Muzlim world combined and post-911, the West and even moderate Arab countries have understood the truth about Militant Izzlam...with the world against them, they are not in a position to harm India and cause riots like they did back in 1992 and then convinently blamed it on others.
Re: India has changed
by tajender on Oct 19, 2010 08:48 AM
in poverty still india is behind even pakistan.china is on 9th place.pakista 52 india 69.wealth is eaten by few.commin man is in bigger trouble.no.of suicides have increased.so the kalmadis.
