Re: slam
by Lallu LaptopWale on May 13, 2010 03:35 PM
Mr.Taral Bhatt and Mr.Swetambar
Yesterday we were discussing about Cow slaughtering and made muslim responsible for it. How can you say about it, cow slaughtering is nothing new but from ages. There are plenty of Hindus too who are eating Cow meat, like Goa and other parts of india.
You says muslim should come forward and avoid eating cow, agree. Then we hindus should also avoid Pig meat since it is against their religion to eat although they don’t treat it as their religious objects.
Similarly, lot of hindus are sudhh sakahaari, then all the non vegetarian should avoid meats of any animals. I will agree with your point when govt ban the cow slaughtering and if muslim raised the objection then you can say that they don’t respect the hindu religious belief.
Once again I will say it’s a pure business issue, if they don’t cut cows then lot of leather manufacturing company will shut down which is owned by pure Hindus may be some of them belongs to RSS and BJP too. Uma bhatri tried to do something for Cow like adopting a cow in every house but what happened, it failed. For your info when cow gives milk the owner keep them in house when she become old the same owner left them stranded, then where the religious belief goes. ?
Re: Re: slam
by Sahara on May 13, 2010 04:33 PM
In whose view the slaughtering of the cows is "a great Islamic act?" In whose view, while it may not be so in other countries, in India it is "a great Islamic act" because the cow is worshipped in India?
The answer to each question: Ali Mian, the head of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, the rector of the Nadwatul Ulema, Lucknow.
Re: Re: slam
by vinayak purohit on May 13, 2010 04:26 PM
calf is killed to drink cow milk.drinking milk &eating flesh is all same. both are part of body. cow was brought to india by brhmns.it is not indian animal. brhmns were cow eater.budhdhist banned cow slaughter ni vedics.
Re: Re: Re: slam
by bala sreenivasan on May 13, 2010 05:48 PM
"Brought to India by Brahmins". Unlike Muslims, Brahmins did not come from outside; they are actually the sons of the soil. Abandon the Aryan-Dravidian theory. It is unadulterated nonsense floated by colonial rulers through missionaries and spread by their agents across the country.
Re: Re: Re: Re: slam
by vinayak purohit on May 13, 2010 06:20 PM
bala OUR vedas are full of horses and cows both are indian animals.IN indus valley civilization there was no cow. hoses everybody knowsis european animal. brhmns came from kazakhistan. VARNA MEANS ONLY WHITE IS DIVINE. IN HEBREW BHARAT VARSHA MEANS LAND OF HEBREW.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: slam
by mandar Dhayagude on May 13, 2010 08:40 PM
Recent genetic study for people in Indian subcontinent has refuted Aryan invasion thory. See the articles about it in 'Nature' magzine.
mughals were looters and thiefs. they came to loot India's wealth and forcibly convert Indians to mooselems. there is nothing noble about their being on Indian soil.
They only became rich and popular in the international circles becoz of India wealth.
these looters and criminals from central asia were unknown in their own motherland but when they arrived in India, they suddenly became famous? If their culture was so great, why didnt their original motherland become famous?
Becoz it wasnt the mughals who were great! It was India and Indian culture that was great! What was actually shining was our Indian culture and mughals being the rulers were just taking away the praise.
these chamcha congressis never want the truth to come out. They want Indians to be ignorant of our real wealth. And this propaganda by congressis is another move to force the mughal superiority on us.
Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 03:29 PM
Grizzly : dont let hatred overcome your rationality.
In its entire history, India was united only 3 times. First by Chandragupta Maurya in 300 BC. Second time by the Mughals, and third time incrementally by the British who added outlying territories to the already existing Mughal empire.
Between the first and second processes of integration, there is a time lapse of more than 1500 years.
At the time of independence India constituted approximately 500 districts with more than 350 kings. This means there was one king for every less than 1.5 districts. What happens to Hinduism as a binding factor, why was it not able to bind the nation together? Why was there no vision to unite the land ? Are there inherent faultlines in hinduism that did not allow it to bring about a larger integration of the motherland? Was it too inward looking as much as to be incompetent to appreciate the complexities of the world ? These are open questions for which there ought to be rational answers, not rhetoric, for rhetoric does not serve any purpose and is never ending.
It was the Mughals who realised this country was one - that there was an emotional thread that weaved this land and should therefore be united. They not only envisaged it but converted it into reality to instal a magnificent empire.
Are we able to explain anything from our literary and artistic traditions without Islamic contribution????
Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by JGN on May 13, 2010 08:20 PM
Imtiaz Khan, do you know how many countries are in West Asia? Some of them are even smaller than our little Goa. Why all the muz1im countries in the Arrabian Gulf did not become one Country like India? Is that due to 1slam failing to unite them??
Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by bala sreenivasan on May 13, 2010 05:57 PM
What a mendacious lie! Islam brings about uniformity by annihilating non-Muslims and not unity. This country was culturally one, if not politically, from time immemorial. If you remove the Hinduness from the nation's culture, nothing remains.
Re: Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by JGN on May 13, 2010 08:15 PM
bala, the quacks selling peacock oil display the carcase of a peacock also to assure their customers that it is real peacock oil. The muz1ims give eternal peace to a few hundreds every day to show that theirs is Re1igion of Peace!!!
Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 03:32 PM
Correct, creation of a global empire by the British was a grand business idea. To colonise the world, plunder, take home the booty and enrich Britain to rule the world.
Re: Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by vinayak purohit on May 13, 2010 04:14 PM
grizzly brhmns did nothing during their rule except selling fake gods to innocent indians whom even they never worshipped.
Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by vinayak purohit on May 13, 2010 04:16 PM
britishers looted india. since 1947 vedics are looting india. moghuls never took a single ruppee out of country.there was no exodus of population under mzlm rule. every locality, people of all caste &religion were living side by side like brothers like now in dubai/kualampur. that`period was period of peace&properity. u are liars &pathological anti-mzlm maniacs.u people have no awnser except deleting my mail. under `mzlm rule agriculture&irrigation system was developed.rich people used to live in villages.not in cities. they made cities from ahmadabad to murshidabad.from srinagar to azzemabad(patna)to lucknow ayodhya &hyderabad.
Re: Re: Re: chamchas trying to impose their philosophy on India!
by mahesh vyas on May 13, 2010 11:27 PM
recenly converted muslim much more dengerous than real muslim, it is applicable to u
The violence, inhuman persecution, irrational beliefs propagated by M'mad in the name of I'slam finds clear instructions and inspiration documented in Ku'ran.
In these days, mu'slims can only publish plays and pulp fiction like the one by Salman Khurshid and dare not to attempt publish researched facts of Isla'mic history, which is nothing but stench of unimaginable blood and atrocities on human beings and women
Re: M'uslims can only publish fiction (plays), not facts
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 02:42 PM
What hatred ??? God help you. My friend hatred is an incurable cancer. Absence of knowledge is the essence of hatred.
Re: Re: M'uslims can only publish fiction (plays), not facts
by vinayak purohit on May 13, 2010 04:23 PM
shivamogga hinduism is product of mythology not history.
Re: Re: Re: M'uslims can only publish fiction (plays), not facts
by JGN on May 13, 2010 05:43 PM
And 1zlam was the result of some mental ailment of a middleaged Arrab (search for "Wahi-TheSuperNaturalBasisOfIslam for more details)!!
Re: Re: M'uslims can only publish fiction (plays), not facts
by vinayak purohit on May 13, 2010 04:21 PM
imtiaz for people like shivamogga, lie,hatred,war&voilence is their staple food. eating,entertainment,sx&cheating is the aim of life. they r brainwashed by rss(rumour spreading society) which is biggest centre of sodomy in india.most of them are pervert&thieve.
Re: Re: Re: M'uslims can only publish fiction (plays), not facts
by JGN on May 13, 2010 05:44 PM
vinayakmu11ah, and what is the stape f00d of your mad_mu11ahs? The deadb0dy of kafiiiirs???
If somebody publishes only the SINS of Babur and his sons (progeny)based on acknowledged proofs, it would run into innumerable volumes, and this fictitious play by the wily Salman Khurshid would pale into oblivion.
The boold of millions of Hindus are on the hands of these invaders and their legacy including Salman Khurshid, that is simply impossible to wash off.
History has always been controversial.No ruler can be innocent of killings~! all whether it be Asoka or Akbar have to fight battles for survival,only by surviving can they perpetuate their dynasty.If hinduism was truly great why would Lord Ram ask his wife Sita to take the Agni Pareeksha, trial by fire,that too on the false words of a washerman.Why did Hinduism split into Buddhism,Jainism and Later Sikhism. The answers lie with the priests!Asoka embraced Buddhism after killing so many Hindus in the battle of kalinga.It is time the Hindutva leaders did some soul searching within themselves and their system.Clean yourself before you talk about cleaning others and criticising other rulers.Hinduism is a rational belief the comments offered are not rational at all!!
Re: Sons of Babur
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 02:54 PM
Ali - you have put it beautifully.
As you correctly say, History is always controversial and moreso because different times cannot be equated, what men did in history was out of their necessity on that day or time.
There are human beings born with an innate HATE QUOTIENT. They tend to understand and analyse everything so as to justify their hateful beliefs. This is irrespective of religion.
The world is fortunate that it still has a preponderance of Rational human beings.
Re: Sons of Babur
by Shivamogga on May 13, 2010 01:43 PM
the brutal jehadi persecution of innocent, peaceful non believers as sanctioned and documented in Ku'ran and practiced by M'mad himself is something extraordinary and cannot be even thought of comparing the violence involved in a war between two kings.
More you try to camaflouge the gory past and present of the I'slamic barbarism, the more it will project into sharp focus.
The whole world knows this and is the main cause of human suffering from the days of M'mad
Re: Re: Sons of Babur
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 03:02 PM
Complete nonsense. Go thru the history of the Magnificent Ottoman Empire which was established after the advent of Islam and the demise of the Roman Empire.
The shear brilliance and opulence of the empire is unparalleled by any other empire in history. Its artistic and literary pursuits and achievements were the pinnacle of human thought.
Similarly the shear artistic and literary brilliance of Mughal rule in India is unparalleled by 10000 years of previous rule.
Gentleman, if you are an educated person, please arm yourself goodself with knowledge. It will do you immense good.
Re: Re: Re: Sons of Babur
by JGN on May 13, 2010 05:47 PM
ImtiazKhan,
10000 years of previous rule??? The known hist0ry of m0dern humanbeings do not go back to even 3500 years!!!!
Neither the 1zlamic invaders nor the European colonizers were not here to improve the l0t of the natives. They had their own agenda. It is a different matter that some of their actions benefited the natives of our Country but they had done more harm than good.
Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by mandar Dhayagude on May 13, 2010 01:38 PM
Yes but no one talks about it. In contrast there is no caste system in Bali. Bali is a state in Indonesia, with 93 % hindu population. Bali was always independant, having no impact of other civilisations.
Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 03:10 PM
JGN : I am not being rhetorical but only factual.
Worldwide Islam does not have a caste system. But in India, there is a caste system among muslims largely borrowed from Hinduism.
It is simple, caste was a function of occupation. When people converted from Hinduism to Islam, there was occupational continuity.
Effectively out of 4 major castes in Hinduism, the Muslims have 3, leaving out the Sudras. The Muslims were not able to create the Sudras essentially out of the Koranic injunction that there is one God - creator of the universe, and all are equal before God and therefore there cannot be anybody who can be an untouchable. Whether a follower is stupendously rich or a pauper, they all have to stand shoulder to shoulder in paying abeisance to the creator.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by JGN on May 13, 2010 05:21 PM
Imtiaz Khan, just last month while filling up a j0b application form for a guy with your Surname, I had asked him his caste and he immediately told me that he is a Pathan by Caste!
There are 12 castes among the muz1ims of AP and there are 5 castes in Kerala. In Maharashtra there are muz1ims with surname "Syed" who claim that they are the direct descandants of PrftMohd and they do not marry from any other caste!
MukhtarMai was gangbanged as she belonged to a l0wer caste!! Even during the best of times, there were clashes between Sindi and Punjabi Muz1ims in Pakistan; not to speak of the Mohajirs in Karachi who are outcastes!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 06:06 PM
JGN : Pathan is not a caste, it is like saying somebody is a Telugu or Tamil. The Pathans are original ethnic inhabitants from the Pakhtoon areas of North Pakistan and South Afghanistan with their unique socio-cultural-linguistic identity.
Within muslims there is a priestly class, a warrior class and a business class. Depending on the type of business occupation there is gradation within the business class. Normally marriages between upper and lower castes are avoided.
Within the Pathans there would be these three castes. Similarly people may belong to various socio-cultural-linguistic ethnicities but within each there would be these 3 major castes.
Now for your post below, I had explained the reason why sudra caste from hinduism could not be derived essentially on account of Koranic injunctions. Either you have not understood what is explained or plain simple dont wish to.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by JGN on May 13, 2010 05:24 PM
Imtiaz Khan, there is priestly class called "Thangals" in Kerala who claim that they are also direct descandants of PrftM0hd; if you can arrange to marriage of a Thangal gir1 with an Ossan (Barber) b0y, I will agree that there is real equality in 1zlam. Then even I will also convrt to your Re1igion. Are you ready to take up the challenge??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by mandar Dhayagude on May 13, 2010 08:20 PM
There is no caste system in Indonesia and malesia. These two countires were h1ndu like india. Malesia converted to Islam some 600 years ago, while Indonesia 500 years ago. Both of these countries were H1ndu for more than 1500 years. And there is no caste system in thse countries. Thailand and Combodia were H1ndu countries until recently. And there also no caste system. Being h1ndu for thousands of years did not create caste system there. That means caste system is not result of Varna system.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Castes in Shrilanka
by IMTIAZ KHAN on May 13, 2010 11:09 PM
The question is whether there is a caste system in India or otherwise. Taking a de tour to Malaysia and Indonesia is not relevant to the topic under discussion.
the figure may be an underestimation and in no way an overestimation. Moghuuls have been the biggest killers of humanity... they are asking for mercy world over... and killing at the same time. Shame on these class of people...
Now their descendants will be given 10% reservation , what a mockery of democracy in the name of 5000 years of fake deprivation at the cost of general category people.
