Creation is done..by whatever power! NOW it is upto us to keep it safe for our future generation to enjoy. So to begin with, let us clean our planet from garbage,carbon emission , plastic waste etc...:)
Re: Mystery
by sk on Mar 30, 2010 07:49 PM
Understanding our existence and Universe existence is mystery, I agree…
But we can understand it. It is not impossible to understand.
You need very abstract nature of thinking ability, logic and mainly courage.
Because when you try to find out the real reason for our existence, after some time you will find that there is reason at all. It just happened by chance. And you will also eventually know that this chance is not one time event but going to repeat many times since we are in infinite time loop.
And few such incredible thoughts will dazzle your mind and kill your ambition for real life. That’s why so many great thinkers are also heavy drinkers/dopers and most of them end their life prematurely.
that's why some one said ignorance is bliss.
Only truth in this universe is there is nothing called an absolute truth.
Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 07:51 PM
No body can prove that the universe was created by chance or by design. While I marvel at the mysteries of the universe, I do not engage in baseless speculations.
Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 07:54 PM
If you want to dope and drink, there are plenty of reasons and excuses to do so. Using the universe as an excuse for doping is not my cup of tea.
Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by sk on Mar 30, 2010 08:03 PM
I definitely don’t want you engage in a base less discussion if you think so. I just expressed my opinion.
Your posts here clearly showing that ours or universe existence is not a mystery to you. you already have a strong preconceived belief about that and you don’t want to change that.
That’s why I said we mainly need courage to understand this mystery.
Personal remark about me is really uncalled. I only expressed my observations and thoughts. I never said anything about myself there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 09:02 PM
It was not personal attack. When I said you, I did not mean you as a person. I meant it to apply to anyone.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Sachin Purohit on Mar 30, 2010 08:01 PM
:-) I know. It was a joke. Come on, a physics or philosophy discussion does not have to be devoid of humour.
Re: Mystery
by freewill on Mar 30, 2010 08:18 PM
@ sachin purohit Even in particle physics there is something known as intrinsic property of elementary particle i.e. a particle ought to have this property. But why does it have this property that is the question? similarly there are concepts of dark energy and dark matter which we are totally unaware of?Obviously as long as you are percieving the universe(subjective reality) you wil find ways to occupy your mind with them rather than searching why your mind gets ocupied by such things?
Re: Mystery
by ind on Mar 30, 2010 08:13 PM
Not everything is mystery. Big Bang is not a mystrey...everyone agrees that. But, having said that there is more mystries about the universe than what we know. We have work towards understanding what we don't know.
Re: Mystery
by freewill on Mar 30, 2010 07:34 PM
You exist that is why the universe and whatever you see (people, sky, trees, etc) exist. If you were not there to experience them would they have existed for you?
Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 07:40 PM
I do not believe in subjective idealism. I think it is naive to think that the tree exists because of me.
Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by freewill on Mar 30, 2010 07:51 PM
Obviously you will say this because when you believe that only those things exist which you can experience then you cannot think of the universe as non-existing.But by the way can you explain concept of colour to a blind person? or you will accept that there is no such thing as colour based on a blind man`s experience.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 07:55 PM
I cannot explain the concept of red to a blind person. But it does not mean that the existence of the universe depends on my own.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Sachin Purohit on Mar 30, 2010 07:58 PM
You can't explain the concept of red to even a person who is not blind. Can you describe me what is it that is red in the topmost traffic light and apple? What you see as red with your eyes may be completely different than my feeling of red. Colour is a Qualia.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 08:02 PM
You and I are talking different things. I am least interested in whether I can explain redness to others. I am only talking of whether or not subjective idealism makes sense.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Sachin Purohit on Mar 30, 2010 08:08 PM
You are talking about something that is absolutely unverifiable. There is neither any reason to believe of its existence nor any reason for its non-existence.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by freewill on Mar 30, 2010 08:04 PM
Let me do a little thought experiment.Supose A was born and when he was about 2 days old he went in coma and after some days he died in coma.Would universe along with atoms, space & time existed for him. Actually what I want to say is that universe is actually a subject to our mind. No two people will ever experience in a similar manner a common event.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Sachin Purohit on Mar 30, 2010 08:16 PM
Hey buddy..Have you ventured in the topic of Qualia? If not, then I would encourage you to. If yes, then we both are in the same boat!
Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Sachin Purohit on Mar 30, 2010 07:51 PM
It is pointless to discuss about objective reality. The only reality that exists is the observed reality. Objective reality can neither be proven nor disproven. That's where the last Classical physicist Einstein gave up and what came out was the Modern Physics and its bye-product - the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Physics.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Rajendra Prasad on Mar 30, 2010 09:03 PM
I did not say that something exists apart from observed reality. But to behave as nothing exists apart from observed reality is also not my cup of tea.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mystery
by Sachin Purohit on Mar 30, 2010 08:05 PM
Why twist it to make it appear that there exists something other than observed reality? Only thing that exists is what we can observe. Beyond that, there need not be any reality. No matter what we do, we won't be able to dig out anything other than what we can observe. The cat is dead or alive just at the time you opened the door and revealed the truth to yourself. Till that time, the state of the cat is indeterminate. It may as well have been half alive/half dead!
This is what is expected when a complete novice to science writes an article on particle colliders.
The headline makes a very audacious claim - Scientists successfully recreate big bang! The Particle Collider at CERN has just started functioning after a long period of repairs. It has just been able to collide protons again. The TEVATRON collider at Fermi Labs, Illinois is already doing what this collider has been able to do today. Its going to take another 3 years for this LHC to be able to reach anywhere close to experimenting with unravelling the mysteries of the universe - more specifically in detecting that elusive particle - The Higgs Boson.
Re: Don't jump the gun..
by riyfkm on Mar 30, 2010 07:29 PM
U seem to be the only Guy who understands Nuclear Physics... Everyone else in this blog.. including me.. no nothing... and people here are putting their own theories etc and concluding a parallel between vedas... etc etc... Thats what happens when you ask a monkey to protect u from Mosquitoes... with a sword...
when will scientists create 2 machines who will bang each other day in and day out and start breeding???? that should be the real BIG BANGing invention!!!
Re: Re: Scientists create BIG BANG!!!!
by The Patriot on Mar 30, 2010 07:49 PM
why r u so obsessed abt my m0ther???? have u gone so desperate being unable to tap any chick around u and eyeing old women in their late 70s????
What is beyond space & time? No SPACE & no TIME. Then how come everything exists in nothing?IS THIS POSSIBLE- Universe exists only because you experience it through your senses.For eg. you can never explain concept of colour to a blind man.Similarly we are trying to understand universe with limited senses.Guys let us just pray that we get to learn more of the universe through this experiment.
its highly likely that new bomb may be created with power 1000 times or more than hydrogen bomb. capable of wiping whole continent. any way lets celebrate the physics for the time being.
Can indian scientists do this? How many Indian names do you find in the books of physics, chemistry, maths, zoology, botany etc. how many metals/non metals in the Mendeliff's periodic table have been invented by indians. whose books these scholars have studied?. were they indian made? all the recent developments on treating various diseases are being innovated in foreign land. how many indians can be compared with Bohr, Geleleo, Rutherford, Einstein, Louis Pasteur, Faraday, Marconi etc. some of their concepts are beyond the understanding of professors in indian universities, let alone students. who invented uranium, copper etc, who reached moon or mars first. we have BARC/atom bomb, but who invented atom, neutron, proton, positron, urea, cyclotron, betatron, computer, ship, radar, LASER, internet, programming languages etc, speed of light, earth's revolution, the art of extracting metals from earth, aeroplane, telescope. most importantly, some foreign company had to made contraceptive pills for controlling indian population. Also to increase libido, Pfizer, USA MNC came with Viagra etc.
Re: can indian scientists do this?
by Pradip Rabindranath on Mar 30, 2010 07:04 PM
Please remember today's experiment is to find out about an elusive sub-atomic particle called Boson. The Boson is named after Satyanedran Dutt Bose, the scientist (along with Einstein) who first suggested it about 80 years back!
Re: Re: can indian scientists do this?
by ind on Mar 30, 2010 08:00 PM
you are worng . it is Higgs boson ( a scotish Physicst). He explained it 30 years back. Get the facts right. And they dint produce Boson in this experiment. They say they will not be able to produce it before 2013. They need 14Tev Energy to produce Boson. Now they have achived on 7Tev. Let the world celebrate this achievement
Re: can indian scientists do this?
by arjun batra on Mar 30, 2010 07:24 PM
I am not sure how much of the world Mr.ghorpade has seen but as much i have seen i conclude India is techinically advanced enough to be in the top 10 countries league/195. Yes, financial issues restrict India from progressing but getting there is important. Vedas are still considered to have the answers to most of the todays science. So take it this way India was one of the most advanced countries and todays so called advanced countries corrupted it and went ahead but "game abhi baki hai boss" "sona ki chidiya" is back on the assembly line :)
Re: can indian scientists do this?
by ravi kumar on Mar 30, 2010 06:56 PM
boss it is wasy to bul-crap here. remember western science developed due to indian maths. during industrial revolution in west india was left far behind as west progressed. indian science only started picking up from early 20th century. and u dont remember names like bose, raman then its uor fault. if u read carefully article talks abt higgs-boson particle. boson here comes frm same bose that i am refering to. tho i agree indian science should be encouraged better.
Re: can indian scientists do this?
by Sachin Deshpande on Mar 30, 2010 06:57 PM
people here are more worried about their future generations ... what they do for self and family not for mankind or science ...
Re: can indian scientists do this?
by freewill on Mar 30, 2010 07:17 PM
Very good question.the answer is why not. So many Indians residing outside have got nobel Prize. But as there is no future in India in this field many of our bright minds have left to other pastures. Also the beareaucratic nature of our country is also responsible for such a situation.
