As Indians we need public leader who knows about common mans problems and can give helping hand for the upliftment of the people who are under poverty line. we dont want any 5 star leaders like tharoor who cant see them in equal. God sake pls dont classify us like cattle class
Re: India needs people who works for common man
by Marathi Manoos on Mar 09, 2010 05:45 PM
but he is handling foreign affairs.... to relate and deal with Diplomats such leader is required. By the way he is elected by the most educated lot in country who deservesuch a learned leader unlike other leaders particularly the likes of Lalu mulayam the list is unending
Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by vijaya kumar on Mar 09, 2010 05:59 PM
Is he dealing with diplomats or enjoying diplomatic life ?
Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by vijaya kumar on Mar 09, 2010 05:52 PM
Most literate state or people, do not mean most educated. Have some common sense otherwise education and no. of degress have no values at all.
Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by vijaya kumar on Mar 09, 2010 05:56 PM
if you go to streets of india people wont understand whats twitter or tweets.
Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by Bhumihaar on Mar 09, 2010 06:03 PM
Why do you want to go to the streets when you are a diplomat handling external affairs ministry ?
It is like you saying, no one in streets will ever understand the Chandrayaan so to hell with space program.
You would need diplomats as much as you need farmers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by Jitesh Agrawal on Mar 09, 2010 06:25 PM
Yes right, but that doesnt mean that you have someone making statements which is open to different interpretations to suit anyones requirements.
Tharoor no doubt is the best suited man for the post he has occupied but he needs to come out of his UN days where he used to interact with diplomats who can understand the language he speaks and such discussions were not in public..... his every word now is a public statement and the audience is not the same as earlier
Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 06:04 PM
Wrong... In Kerala, where he fought his polls from, the internet is quite pervasive -- including among you so called common man.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by vijaya kumar on Mar 09, 2010 06:08 PM
Now they are regretting the mistake already done.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 06:09 PM
On the contrary, during his campaign, he spoke to fluent Malayalam -- quite thickly accented though -- and people understood him very well.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 07:03 PM
You mean the common man in Kerala reads tweets to follow india's foreign Policy????? :O
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India needs people who works for common man
by Jitesh Agrawal on Mar 09, 2010 06:07 PM
Thats what you and the author of this article want to give message " you have voted to for this highly educated man, now dont complain"..... sorry leaders of this nation have to first be able to communicated with the masses in the language that they can understand not in an alien language which would need an interpreter
We all hope that atleast the current generation ( one who are in their teens and early 20s) would bring about change in this country. Because we are too sick off these antics in parliment.
So much tax money is spent on elections, providing for these MPs, Ministers, their security, Free perks and so many other facilities. Parliment maintenance is crores of rupees on a dayly basis.
What these bunch of guys do is , stall the proceedings of the parliment. It is literally holding the whole nation by group of 10, 15 odd people.
Many policies and laws whose successful induction will bring about change in the Indian society are buried under the pandemonium.
If some one puts a road block or vandalizes public property on road, he is punished with Jail. Whereas these elected representatives who are sent to the parliment on peoples' trust block the entire nation.
Mr E D Mathew had to write this loooong article with big words just to tell everyone he knows the difference between interlocutor from an intermediary. ("distinguish an interlocutor from an intermediary! Quantitative swelling, at the expense of quality, of TV channels during the past decade and a half has helped spawn many such interlopers")
Mr Mathew, your academic style of writing is passe. Please shift to a more contemporary style of writing.
Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:13 PM
Mr Menon, Does my saying that Mr Mathews needs to shift to a more contemporary form of writing suggest to you that I did not comprehend? If it did.. then you definitely did not comprehend my comment
Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:20 PM
That's what happens when you look undercut the writer of a pertinent article by targetting the form and ignoring its content. Its a beaten strategy -- one which perhaps you would consider abandoning. It is "passe" you see! :D
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Jitesh Agrawal on Mar 09, 2010 05:39 PM
So where did the common man who voted for this "erudite, highly qualified and savvy new politicain" made the mistake?????? by voting for him without being aware of his level of communication skills or by not learning the queens language before commenting on what he says??????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:42 PM
Did anyone say they made a mistake? :O
And why are you assuming that the people of Kerala -- the most literate state in the country, one with the first fully e-literate district of the country, one with the best living standards in the country, one with the best infrastructure in the country, one with the most women-friendly state in the country -- voted for him without considering his level of qualification and proficiency?
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:40 PM
Sad!!I might as well be banging my head against the wall than trying to get to you. The author is criticising the media's lack of proper knowledge of the Queen's tongue and the usage of Hinglish which leads to Mr Tharoor being castigated on his tweets.
Its you who needs the coffee or maybe something stronger than that
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Jitesh Agrawal on Mar 09, 2010 05:53 PM
Just read the 4th,5th and 6th para of the article where the author has made is very clear that "we Indians" including all the media is a fault in "misinterpreting" the queens language spoken by Tharoor, so the message is you have made a mistake now dont complain for it.
Sorry, I need a leader who can communicate to masses in the language that we understand not in a language that would need rebirth of shakespere to interpret.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:27 PM
Mr. Menon, the crux of the entire article is about the Queen's language hence the comment. Sadly you just dont comprehend it. Unfortunate :D
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:32 PM
Tsk tsk...You got that wrong again. The crux of the article was about an erudite, highly qualified and savvy new politician being castigated for flimsy reasons by people who have can't even use or understand the English language properly.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Jitesh Agrawal on Mar 09, 2010 05:28 PM
Yawn.... what are we discussing..... english grammer, literature???? now dont say needs to be vouched by shakespere also
Re: ED Mathew
by prabhat mohanty on Mar 09, 2010 05:35 PM
- I don't think, Mr Mathew was showing off his knowledge how to distinguish an interlocutor from an intermediary or mediator...
The point he was trying to make was that India's time has come and we surely need better politicians and even media persons to help fight India get the place on the World stage she deserves.
In situation like this, an academic style with extra elucidation may be more apt than contemporary / SMS-age style of writing.
Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:44 PM
Just what is Tharoor's contribution to India's foreign policy other looking suave and writing academic english
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:50 PM
yeah right!!! you mean now he is just a mascot? and he will start performing when his time comes.
Re: Re: ED Mathew
by vivek kumar on Mar 09, 2010 05:41 PM
"Place on the World stage" How ? Just by spoken English and suggesting that we are ashamed of National language, it wont be possible....We will not to change parent,skin colour,country,relatives,festivals as well...Any idea how ?
Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:48 PM
Err... being well-spoken in English means being ashamed of the national language? Revelation I must say.
And pray which is this national language you are talking about?
As for skin colour, is that his fault that Tharoor's fault or my fault that we have our respective skin colours? Has he sought to change his skin colour? I haven't.
Mere talking about our "culture" is what you and I indulge in. Folks like Tharoor are the people who take it to its next logical level -- and not because it has to be made acceptable to anyone, but simply because one loves it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:53 PM
We look at ACTIONS and please educate us on Mr. Tharoors glorious actions for India's foreign policy so that we may be converted into his devoted followers
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by prabhat mohanty on Mar 09, 2010 06:09 PM
- See, you swung to the other end of the spectrum.
The article never talked about Mr Tharoor's political achievements.
I am sure you are intelligent enough to distinguish that !
Our debate / discussion should center around the specificity of the article.
If you want to understand the current foreign policy-
The starting point :
India is on ascent. To maximise and not to miss the way we missed Industrial revolution, we must have a stable environment where India can grow non-stop without small irritants like Pakisthan or Maoists/domestic terror.
So the protracted approach is that we must create a peaceful environment.
Dig into game Theory.
Analyse the Risk and Payoff !
What can India achieve and gain if we have a peaceful neighbourhood and domestic political environment.
The Pay-offs are huge.
That's why we can see a protracted and simultaneous approach to "contain" both pakisthani sponsored terrorists and domestic violence.
The sublime message to Saudi to carry India's position to pakisthan and influence Pakisthan. We all know Saudi has huge influence on Pakisthan. Both money wise and religion point of view. And unwritten law in Pakisthan is never to crticise Saudi.
India is just taking advantage of that.
See a broader picture my friend.
[ There is a well coordinated, well thought strategy being implemented by India.]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 06:46 PM
Mr. Mohanty, Please .. there are otehr ways of giving a hint to Saudi than make tweets about it.. And excuse me, weren't it you who said India need better politicians like him.. Short term memory loss eh?
Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:39 PM
Sir... you would perhaps be categorised as bourgeosie or pedantic by the critics of Mr Mathew's style of writing! :P
Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by vivek kumar on Mar 09, 2010 05:43 PM
Menon my friend.Look at your skin colour please...that needs to change first for yo to become acceptable in the Western Society...
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by prabhat mohanty on Mar 09, 2010 05:53 PM
- If you bring about some moderation in your thought, instead of clinging to extreme view points, it would do a great deal of good to our country.
And it will surely make this forum an interesting place for open discussion.
Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:48 PM
yeah maybe I should bang my head against the wall. Its definitely much easier than getting through to you
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:50 PM
Oh you haven't yet? Please hurry... we maybe losing out on the next Bard of Westminster!
Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by vijaya kumar on Mar 09, 2010 05:50 PM
Most literate state or people, do not mean most educated. Have some common sense otherwise education and no. of degress have no values at all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:52 PM
It is better than being not literate at all... as for education, the other qualities of the state that I have mentioned say it all...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 06:02 PM
Well if jumping into conlusions -- even if patently wrong ones -- is what you love doing, so be it. My statement about KErala was purely in response to the "common man voting for erudite Tharoor" comment by Jithesh Agarwal
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 06:00 PM
Well... the CII ranking talks about cities and not states dude... do a small google search you will get to know ...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:54 PM
Kerala has the highest quality of life?? you are wrong on that as well. CII survey says otehrwise
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 06:51 PM
Delhi is a state. And Delhi has the highest standard of living among all cities. hence by logic Delhi has the highest standard of living even among states. Common sense dude :D
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 05:57 PM
Aaah!!! so thats why Tharoor is a great man. Since he is a Keralite eh??? Parochial I must say
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ED Mathew
by S M on Mar 09, 2010 06:53 PM
Common man meant the common indian. No one asked you to wax eloquence about kerala and keralites. Lady your slip is showing :D
Re: Politics is the last resort for the scoundrels
by suppandi on Mar 09, 2010 04:54 PM
yes, shame of politicians - marshals r controlling parliament tdy
You are an elected MP. You are in the ministry (thank fully you cant be prime minister in one go)
But intead of driving people or debate or bringing some thing to notice of parliment or to people should you focus on loose comments only to be bashed by media
why point to media whats in your self you have done for last year
Re: Re: if you point one finger to others
by Harish Menon on Mar 09, 2010 05:28 PM
At least he does tweet and he does think. Unlike many others who can't speak one coherent line of more than five words or others who can think only in terms of murders and money!
