Re: Wikileaks
by freewill on Dec 01, 2010 02:23 PM
This information can be dangerous to american interests throughout the world. The leaks also show concerns for pak nuclear tech. which can be used by jihadists.
Re: Release of new secret documents by WikiLeaks
by HARI on Dec 01, 2010 02:21 PM
Some experts believe that Peace , better understanding enable between countires.
Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:15 PM
In case of a all out war! i strongly feel India would use this option..Good to know that we have got this in our bag (3000 km...range...cool), I'm an engineer and trust me range of a missile is not fixed parameter.
Please note range of missile is function of payload weight and trajectory. New generation warheads designed by ISRO are fractional weight while giving greaster blast yield, practically putting ranges of upto 20,000 km even in Agni III parabolic reach, when not utilizing full 1.5 ton payload capability.
The 3000 km range is worst case scenario, when using high payload (old 80's Indian nuke like the one of class 15) and parabolic path. Modern nuke weighs only abt 100-300 kg. and don't forget there's always the orbital option for advanced space power like India, allowing missile to go via orbit rather than parabolic trajectory.
Using orbital mechanics, even proven Agni II can deliver thermonuclear payload (myriads of times more powerful than Hiroshima Blast) over ranges exceeding earth's diameter. Agni III engines are powerful enough to place a MIRV style bomb in TLI (Lunar orbit). why defence planner in India dont ask, when you can reach satellite orbit of earth and space, what can stop you from reaching any place on earth?
India is not signatory to SALT treaty and reserves right to use FOBS (fractional orbit), obviating most range constraints. Nuclear war is not a mere philosophy, it's a brutally crude form of self defence using the feasibility of laws of
Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:17 PM
nature. What matters is that Indian rudimentary global deterrance for attack is there.
Note our smart Indian leaders diplomatically say Agni 3 range is "more" than 3000.
The exact number is calculable via orbital mechanics, and as I stated it is not limited for earth's small size. The wonders of using later / mature technology gives India's delayed & young missiles more range than believable.
Believe it or not Agni III is a potent ICBM and Agni IV(Project "surya") is standing in line right behind it eager to improve on that and lifting India's capability to desirable level. While range is no longer relevant, the more intelligent question is now, what is the payload capability of missile, for striking nuclear offenders.
World should focus more on proliferators China and N.Korea that force India to undertake nuclear defence via servile/rogue states such as Pakistan.
Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:25 PM
PAK is no match for India... its just that we believe in Peace and concept of "vasudeva kutumbakam" - live and let live... thus, we pay a heavy price at time... but soon in may be next 5 to 10 years.. a final decisive war between the two in imminent!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by P V on Dec 01, 2010 02:27 PM
BUT IN THE NEXT 5-10 YEARS, WHAT ABOUT THE 100s OF INNOCENT LIVES WE MAY LOSE TO TERRORISM/EXTREMISM ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:33 PM
well thats for the democratically elected political leadership of the country to answer... the defense forces are prepared give them the task... and you shall have no country called PAK!
Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by P V on Dec 01, 2010 02:24 PM
mr. vippagunta srikanth CAN INDIA GUARANTEE COMPLETE & TOTAL VICTORY OVER PAK WITH MINIMUM COLLATERAL DAMAGE TO INDIAN TERRITORY/POPULACE ?.
Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:29 PM
like I said ... Nuclear war is not a mere philosophy, it's a brutally crude form of self defence using the feasibility of laws of nature... when you are at war you end up paying the price... what does PAK have to loose.. its no better than a shit hole... India on other hand have many things at stake! you are intelligent and thus we have to take a wise call before we do anything in haste.. or anger!
Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by P V on Dec 01, 2010 02:32 PM
THIS BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY DID WE NOT STRIKE KAHUTA A'LA ISREAL DID TO THE IRAQIS IN 1972.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:36 PM
we are a democratic country.. its the political leadership which takes the call on these not defense or think tanks etc..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by P V on Dec 01, 2010 02:38 PM
I READ THAT THE ISRAELIS WERE WILLING TO STRIKE KAHUTA IF INDIA PERMITTED THEM TO REFUEL AT OUR BASE. THE THEN P.M. MORARJI DESAI REFUSED.
Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by HARI on Dec 01, 2010 02:16 PM
why do creat problems with idia and pak ? try to give some inputs to strenthen both countries.
dont paly with war, then you will end up with war.
Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by zubair shighrekar on Dec 01, 2010 02:13 PM
before that we need a leader like indiraji to start a war with pak
Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by Avinash on Dec 01, 2010 02:25 PM
zubair, we will not start a war with Pak but we will END the war if they ever try to fight with us.
Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by P V on Dec 01, 2010 02:15 PM
WELL , CERTAIN SOURCES CLAIM THAT THE PAK HAD A UPPER HAND AGAINST INDIA IN THE WESTERN SECTOR DURING THE 1971 WAR.
Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by ravitalisma on Dec 01, 2010 02:21 PM
You seem to only know one part of the war:), Pakistan has signed cease fire due to humuliation of defeat in all wars. Read through history properly and that will answer your western sector doubt. In all sectors Pak is a failed country!!
Re: Re: Re: ANY DEFENCE EXPERT IN THIS FORUM....
by vippagunta srikanth on Dec 01, 2010 02:40 PM
the answer is in your question.."certain" not all! let them claim.. kya farak padtha haine! Well, PAK surrendered 95k defense personnel in that War... with uppper hand! wow! thats strange!
Pakistanis are made to believe and or rather we could say, they are under the impression, that since they have nuke power, atomic power, they are the custodians of the world mzlms. They boast also about it. We should pity pakistan, now, as they are destined to be doomed within itself. Once their nuke power falls into the hands of the terrorists, then we can see what would US do!! Pakistans main problem is INdia, nothing else. Since the partition, their frustration is to see Indias growth, and their failures. As the days goes, frustration also increases. Day by day, month by month and year by year.
With Sonia and MMS at the helm we can never expect India to take initiatives to assertain its position in the matters related to Islamic terrorism, befitting reply to Pak, Kashmir issue and serious boarder issues with China
Re: Release of new secret documents by WikiLeaks
by Desh Premi on Dec 01, 2010 02:00 PM
yeah, polrization will take place between China and USA in future, India will be a satellite to USA, it is imperative
nuke plant staff and army also jobless , somehow they want to release it.
best way to relaese : go to middle of the sea and dumb all nuclear stuff but not on humanity.
as Jesus said " Love your neighbour as you love yourself ", but if you act like wild animals, hurting and harming eacher other, then watch out or you will completely destroy one another.
Re: nations fed up with holding nuclear weapons for long time
by Ponga Pandit on Dec 01, 2010 01:59 PM
yeah...jesus love u....but everyone else thinks u r an a55hole...lmao
Re: Re: nations fed up with holding nuclear weapons for long time
by Harvinder Singh on Dec 01, 2010 02:15 PM
ha ha. well said. the xian countries are the ones that attack others the most.
Re: Re: Re: nations fed up with holding nuclear weapons for long
by shiv shankar on Dec 01, 2010 02:49 PM
does jesus anywhere say safety is only for humans and not for living creatures in sea
Re: Re: Re: nations fed up with holding nuclear weapons for long
by Avinash on Dec 01, 2010 02:22 PM
The GreatGeorgeWBush had b0mbed Iraq and Afghanistan to st0neage condition as per "instructions from the sky".
