that this justice is devout hindu but for him to be called fair and just he must convict modi no matter modi's innocence. so now rediff is counting on this justice to live upto rediff's expectations. the sucularists are so predictable.
Re: what rediff's headline really means
by Ravindra Kumar on Apr 07, 2010 07:02 PM
You keep this dailogue going on. Read swaraj bharat post about this chor phadnis.
UPA should focus on core issues Providing Bijlee sadak Paani Check Price rise , people are already on streets Check Farmers suicide Administrative Judiciary police reforms elimination of corruption, steps for industrialization, prividing employment, food security Development Internal security as thousands of terrorists are infiltrating to J&K
The people like u deserve the position u r holding.India is place of pride bcoz of u and ur ilks.There is a section to influence justice by creating hype and fervour on the basis of 'popularity'.justice not measured on the scales of popularity so u remained unpurturbed.ur task is difficult given the witnesses,machinary hostile to ur job besides a number of fellows attacking u in the garb of reward,communism,western,secular etc etc.just pity them and bring out the truth.
Re: UPRIGHT N HONEST
by arif khan on Apr 04, 2010 10:23 PM
Great Job Raghavan. Truth should be on top of the religious beliefs. If Modi is innocent he should be considered as a national hero and we should make him prime minister. If he is guilty He should be punched and should be sentenced to death or life term. Let the court decide....what is his fate.
Re: Re: UPRIGHT N HONEST
by rahul on Apr 05, 2010 07:37 AM
arif khan, have the Muslims ever respected the laws of the land if it goes against their vested interets.In a secular democracy there is no place for personal laws of a community to dictate the laws of the land like what we seen in the case of ShaBano where a so called secular government bent and twisted the law and justice system to its end to meet the demands of its vote banks.The Muslims have always expected the non Muslims to be secular,liberal and democratic.Like how they want the minarets in a non Muslim country like Switzerland while giving no religious freedom in Saudi Arabia.Mr.Raghavan is bureaucrat and we have seen in this country ho government in the ruling has misused them to their advantages.The congress is known to have used a premier investigating agency like CBI to only nail its political rivals.And when judges and chief justices are so appointed according to political whims and fancies we could well see why the judges are following or toeing a government line.For the government Soharabuddin encounter is fake while Batla house when officially claimed as genuine ts own leader like Digvijay Singh calls it as fake.This is the height of hypocrisy only to please its vote bank and sending a strong signal to the bureaucrats and the judges why=t they have to do in order to have coveted posts after their retirements.Thats is why a retired judges like Bannerjee agreed to a stage managed commission on Godhra.
Re: Re: Re: UPRIGHT N HONEST
by nadeemkkhan on Apr 05, 2010 06:48 PM
lolzzzzz Rahul I have seen u so called hindu nationalist people respecting the law in gujrat riots,in mumbai they r showing disrespect to their language and other indians, and respecting womens by raping and killing shohrabbuddin's wife and killing pregnant ladies in gujrat riots and denying the reports that your beloved leader managed to kill your own people in godhara to take political advantage...list is so long even you can include hydrabad blast in your credit it is called hypocrisy and double standard and well organised hindu terrorism.
Re: Re: Re: Re: UPRIGHT N HONEST
by kal rat on Apr 05, 2010 10:58 PM
what proof u have against hindu terrorism why terrorist is always muslim ??????????? its big qustion mark not for india but hole world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: UPRIGHT N HONEST
by rahul on Apr 05, 2010 10:12 PM
NADEEMKHAN, I wont call you as a jihadi sympathiser though there are many on this forum.Do you think those of your brothers who perpetrated the Godhra carnage where innocent Hindus were burnt alive and which is the reason why there was a reaction in Gujarat are bothered about humanity or respect rule of law.In India we have no 'other Indians' except some Muslims who always wanted to stay like aliens when ever they are living in a non Muslim country.There are some in India who are protesting of even singing national song like 'Vande mataram' giving its bad name as blasphemous.In a riot anything can happen.though any crime against a human being is deplorable but burning a innocent alive is more harsher than rape.Do you think the lives of the Muslims alone is precious?Soharabuddin was hated even by the Muslims as he made the lives of the many Muslim miserable.Do you have any evidence to prove that Soharabuddins wife was raped before she was killed.Please tell this to congress leader Digvijay Singh who will be pleased to take up any encounter cases like how he reacted on the Batla House encounter.There could have been some pregnant women amongst those your brothers burnt alive on that train at Godhra.Hindus have not stooped to the levels of the Muslims in killing for political advantage like how the Jhadis are killing innocents irrespective of the faith of their victims only to establish political oneupmanship.countering Muslim terrorism is not Hindu terrorism you thick skul
I hope u will do justice to ur job and bring all the murderers under the knife of justice.There is a quote which says that a society cannot work without justice.
Congress when came in power at centre, -- Changed the President of India -- Changed the panel of Supreme court (Who gave death penalty to the terror guru Afzal).
Congress's intention was very clear that time by its move. It has proved it by removing POTA.
Shoharabuddin encounter may be fake one, but he was the real terrorist. If he was not encountered, he might also be enjoying like Afzal, as congress is in ruling.
Re: Congress...
by nadeemkkhan on Apr 04, 2010 07:43 PM
muslims are not against encounter of sohrabbuddin but could u tell me why u people raped and cold murdered his wife..it' heinous crime so u r the real terrorist in this sense...
Re: Re: Congress...
by rahul on Apr 04, 2010 08:33 PM
nadeemkhan, you are making a false allegation on how Soharabuddin's wife is killed.well I will come back with truth as I do not have the details.The whole world as you know is suspicious and apprehensive of the Muslim being soft towards terrorism.Many Muslims are not against the encounter of Soharabuddin fake or genuine because he himself was a night mare to many a poor and innocent Muslims through his atrocities.But during the funeral ceremony of the same Soharabuddin we have seen how his supporters were brandishing Ak-47 rifles and firing in air and were shouting anti India slogans and were seen crying'Jihad Jihad'.Dont worry there are many women fidayeens these days and the those who were responsible for train bombings in Russia recently were your sisters.Do you have any evidence to prove that Soharabuddins wife was innocent or not abetted him in his bad deeds.For a terrorist there is no gender.
Re: Re: Re: Congress...
by nadeemkkhan on Apr 05, 2010 07:39 PM
hmmmm you r right terrorist has no gender like Sadhvi pragya and Uma Bharti.......they should be treated like shohrabbuddin's wife as well.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress...
by kal rat on Apr 05, 2010 11:03 PM
dear nadeem there is no proof against sadhvi pragna so many narko test so many tourchering by your cong goverment then how u say she is terrorist but sahbbudin is wanted for five state polish and move with such a terrorist that means its help this persone so sahbbudin wife also a terrorist so nothinf wrong
Re: Re: Re: Congress...
by nadeemkkhan on Apr 05, 2010 07:06 PM
dear rahul don't interconnect all incident happening in the world in the same context if you are giving me example of russia you should go through in details first they are not fighting for islam they are just fighting for their land as we indian did against british that time Bhagat singh and ashfaqulla also were called terrorist but they are our real hero.my suggestion is we all have to go through root cause of terrorism might be some culprits are taking help of religion to fulfill their political goals. blame game will take us nowhere but to civil war.fight against terrorism can not be fought in India unless and until hindus don't get together with muslims
Re: Re: Re: Re: Congress...
by rahul on Apr 05, 2010 09:38 PM
nadeemkhan,If the Muslims in India are not concerned what their counterparts in Chechenya do why then the Muslim who have no connections whatsoever with the Jihadi Muslims come in the open and boldly disown them.why not they get disconnected from that evil.even the Pakistanis are troubling us in kashmir claiming kashmir as theirs while its not theirs.Today the Muslims have started interpreting jihadism as per their convenience.I agree with you that all Muslims are not terrorists but if they do not get assertive and disown the jihadis then this world will continue to look upon them with suspicion and apprehension.If this is not enough whats happening in Iraq and Pakistan is very complex to explain for you as its not jihad if I am not wrong as one Muslim is killing a fellow Muslim here.But Indians feel this is a case of natural justice as Pakistan is suffering for what it did to India.There is no blame game here nor any non Muslim is involved.In India too if the Muslims help the investigating agency immediately after any terrorist activities or bomb blasts then they could well prove that they are not with the Jihadis and that could go a long way for a peaceful and meaningful co existence and reject appeasement and oppose creation of a vote bank.The Kashmiri Muslims have already given us a taste of a civil war like situation but we have also shown to them that we will not take anything lying down.
Re: Congress...
by Priya Bora on Apr 04, 2010 03:33 PM
You are forgetting that Cograss also changed the Chief Election Commissioner so that they could rig the election and keep winning
Congress when came in power at centre, -- Changed the President of India -- Changed the panel of Supreme court (Who gave death penalty to the terror guru Afzal).
Congress's intention was very clear that time by its move. It has proved it also by removing POTA.
Shoharabuddin encounter may be fact, but he was the real terrorist. If he was not encountered, he might also be enjoying like Afzal, as congress is in ruling.
Re: Congress..
by shiva kumar on Apr 05, 2010 08:55 AM
Well said..its true,,congress is not ruling the govt...all the judicial systems are working in their favour.
Congress when came in power centre, -- Changed the President of India -- Changed the panel of Supreme court (Who gave death penalty to the terror guru Afzal).
Congress's intention was very clear that time by its move. It has proved it also by removing POTA.
Shoharabuddin encounter may be fact, but he was the real terrorist. If he was not encountered, he might also be enjoying like Afzal, as congress is in ruling.
Re: But according to Congress...
by nabiahamed on Apr 03, 2010 10:01 AM
According to the census Muslims are 13-15% only, so which vote bank you are talking about?
Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by Bhagat Singh on Apr 03, 2010 07:00 PM
Hindu votes are about equally divided between BJP and congress, as Hindu voting pattern is not caste based. More than 95% votes of muslims goes to congress. I dont mind even if congress is too much aggressive in collecting muslim votes but true indians have to oppose congress as it is saving each of terrorists assuming muslims will be happy and give them votes. (This is belief of congress. I do know all muslims can't be happy, if terrorists are saved).
Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by rahul on Apr 04, 2010 02:48 PM
nabiahamed, 15% of the total population means nearly fifteen crores dear.why you want to undermine yourself through a percentage while the Muslims are getting their pound of flesh even if it is at the cost of others by voting like a herd and exactly as per the dictates or fatwas of the clerics.Its a solid vote bank not out of fear of the BJP but only to see that you get what you want and one of them being that you dont want a democratically elected government to interfere with your personal laws like how you people reacted and protested on Shabano case.If Muslim are not a vote bank why then the so many of the pseudo secular's like the congress,JD(S),Lalu,Mulayam etc wash your asses.For this secular band wagon as well as you people Afzal guru's should not be hanged nor Soharabuddin be encountered.Godhra is anon issue while Gujarat riots which is the culmination of Godhra is a major issue.do you think the lives of the Muslims are more precious than that of the non Muslims.
Re: Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by nadeemkkhan on Apr 04, 2010 08:26 PM
Nabi these people just wants to lead india to civil war and prejudice about muslims nobody can help them whenever something goes wrong they just blame us they can't see the political propaganda of BJP behind the seen...if gujrat riots never happened modi would b never in the power so they plan godhara themselves and taken advantage of th..see all forensic reports but these people r denying every thing coz they are brought up in RSS mentality to make this beautiful nation into communal place....but they will never succeed......
Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by Suchit on Apr 03, 2010 03:21 PM
the key thing is...there is more than 80% voting from these 13-15%..Muslims and certainly this is a vote bank..as there is only 50-53% voting happens in our country..out of total population.
Re: Re: Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by rahul on Apr 04, 2010 03:14 PM
nabiahmed, Hindus as the Muslims themselves call are not having any unity and equality as the hindus are divided through castes and there cannot be a uniform vote bank as such.the Hindus votes are divided amongst the right wing parties like BJP,Shivsena and communists and other regional parties and in the south as different Dravidian parties.so your analysis and logic is proved here only as a damp squib.But the Muslims tactically vote but as a herd or a solid vote bank.As I said Muslims do not fear any political party.its only their usual cry that Muslims in India are discriminated and persecuted.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by nadeemkkhan on Apr 04, 2010 08:17 PM
we can see who is making hue and cry.....in the name of terrorism just calculate which community is suffering in your well organised terrorist attack alias communal riots u people are such Hippocrates u never talk about the number of muslims who died in pak sponsored terrorism but you take advantage to polarize your vote bank against muslims pity on U extremist you just want to India leads to civil war get well soon.....Allâh orders the faithful believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by pradeep simha on Apr 11, 2010 12:17 AM
Rahul..Why don't we talk about unity among "indians" as a whole for a change? And stop alienating our own brothers....some food for thought..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: But according to Congress...
by SHAN BAID on Apr 04, 2010 09:58 PM
I think Rahul,there is some baisc problem in understanding. 1.There is only one force which results in en block voting that is BJP or allies which pose threat to the very security of muslims.earlier it was theoretical ,after guj riot it became reality. 2. Cong is the name of 'majboori' thats why they vote any party which can defeat BJP or allies and at most of places it is cong. 3.Incidentally they vote with aam aadmi ,so whenever they see an option other than bjp they go for it for example in 1977 and 1989. 4.As far as vote bank is concerned,all people in democracy r for one party or the other and all parties resort to marketing strategy as per their vote bank.thats why varun,Thakres,lalus exist.Varun's hate speech was targetted to catch some vote bank and u could find the fervour .Modi resorted to extreme 'reaction' to appease a section so that polarisation could give political edge and results r before every one to see. So classify muslims only as vote bank is null and void bcoz everyone is vote bank on one count or the other.
