PhD is not the basic qualifiction to become a good ruler. It is once again proven in our PM's case. When hundreds have died at the hands of Pakistan sponsored terrorists, MMS went much more than halfway to please the rulers of that country. Now, sadly India's destiny is decided by former IAS officers and bureaucrats. Visionaries like Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru, Indira Gahndi and Vajpayee are just history now.
Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 10:57 PM
Is there any leader currently alive, who is better than MMS? Please list their names, if you have any.
Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 10:59 PM
How about Montek, PC, Deora, Shahsi tharoor. All these are able people> I dont think current CONG party has dearth of talent, its BJP which is strugling to have a good able leader!
Re: Re: Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 11:05 PM
While PC has been in politcs for ages, Shshi has been in international politics for a decade literally. So both of them indeed are able to become PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 PM
No confidence in PC's capabilities. His past budgets were not great. Shashi Tharoor is only fit for International politics.
Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by URMILA NATARAJAN on Jul 29, 2009 11:00 PM
MMS is no better than anyone. What makes him great however? He does not have any seriousness when tackling terrorism
Re: Re: Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by JGN on Jul 29, 2009 11:08 PM
Pulsar, he was not elected by the people of India but nominated by Ms. Sonia Gandhi.
MMS did not have the courage to contest to the Lok Sabha from his home state!! Once he tasted defeat in Delhi in 1999 and never contested even a Panchayat election after that!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 PM
The second nomination is a mere formality. He was the defacto PM candidate for UPA even before the election.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by JGN on Jul 29, 2009 11:19 PM
Not only firstr time, even during the meeting after the recent elections Ms. Sonia Gandhi just "nominated" him!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 11:13 PM
He was nominated the first time. But the second time, everyone knew he was the PM candidate for UPA
Re: PhD will not make a good ruler
by drax on Jul 29, 2009 10:59 PM
HAhhaha Nehru is only slightly better in being gullible than MMs considering 1961 war. But MMS should take the cake for extreme innocence as any idiot can befool him with a little sweet talk.
mamohan is not ready to climb from his high ground of getting some concessions from pak. ok, he did get some concessions, at what cost ? at the cost of losing elsewhere ? at the cost of losing our morally high ground ? at the cost of bracketing ourselves with pak ?
The whole controversly is like storm in a tea cup, PM's statement is absolutly clear & totally correct in all respect, so will you all guys go & do something better than continuing the silly arguments....
is a saying in Vedas that when the King turns old he should give his kingodm to the able prince. MMS is too old. He cant think properly. I do have respect to him for his achievements, but its just that he is way too old to be a leading figure of our country. We need relatively young blood. MMS can be duped so easily, waht happened in Egypt is a clear proof of that!
Re: Re: There
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM
I dont mean that, he should find an able young person. There are many in cong, I cant comment on that, but onething, Rahul is too young, inexperienced and vulnerable.
Re: Re: Re: There
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 10:41 PM
Notwithstanding this goof up of MMS, he is still better than any person to lead the Congress party. Vedas are very old. What applied at that time need not apply now.
Re: Re: Re: Re: There
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 10:43 PM
they have not changed for ages becuase they are unchangeable. They are independent of time. So dont say vedas are wrong. They have been written as realised...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 PM
anyways this is not the platform to debate on these things. Whatever I still believe what happenned was wrong and we gave a nice drum for the Pakis to beat on forever.Tomorrow if Pak disintegrates they will blame India for that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 10:50 PM
Oppenheimer may be a brilliant scientist, but he created a monster (nuke bomb). He lacked wisdom.
Re: There
by MANI on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM
jaiho, PMs statement is very clear, there is nothing controversial in it. You are totally biased & not fit to comment.
Re: Re: There
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 10:42 PM
I am not biased here. I have the utmost respect for MMS. But the incidences such as one happenned proves, how dangerous it can get if one does not think well and act. There shouldnt be the name BALOCH in the statements whatsoever. Its not a new thing that Pakis are crooked, but its certainly a new thing to here how we still believe these bas534rds.
Re: Re: If any one wants clear evidence contact me.
by goodsamaritan on Jul 29, 2009 10:50 PM
If security is the concern then we will only discuss,solution is no where. let us forget about terror.
Re: Re: Re: If any one wants clear evidence contact me.
by Pulsar on Jul 29, 2009 10:53 PM
I was replying to something else. The context was different.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If any one wants clear evidence contact me.
by NARAYAN on Jul 30, 2009 12:44 AM
If any democratic have guts reciprocate and support to this is some thing very diffrent,the one who has brave in his attitude can only give such a statement.
Re: we are now alert and ready for another attack,
by ankit kulshrestha on Jul 29, 2009 10:26 PM
What can u do then?? 1. Surgical strike against Pakistan: No option. Pakistan will retaliate, there will b an all-out war. 2. If an all out war happens. Suppose Indian armed forces beat down pakistan, do we want to occupy them? No. we have enuff problems internally. Do we want to install a puppet govt. there. No because pakistan is not iraq n India not US. 3. If therez a nuclear war, then u know very well.
Re: Re: we are now alert and ready for another attack,
by PiratefrmSomalia on Jul 29, 2009 10:30 PM
Why do you worry? What do you think we are paying a bunch of elected representatives to do? Who is paying for their foreign junkets? Who is paying for their heart operations? Who is giving them the chance to lick off all the cream from contracts? If you are on a job you are supposed to do your job and not give lame alibis. You are paid to do your job. If you cannot then scram and get out!!!
Re: we are now alert and ready for another attack,
by j pocha on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM
अंधे को अँधेरे में बड़ी दूर की सूझी that describes the present govt. which has been messing around for last five and half years
Re: we are now alert and ready for another attack,
by PiratefrmSomalia on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 PM
You forgot the convent educated candlelight processions. They never heard about the Indian Deepavali lamps!!!
Re: MORON PM
by durga on Jul 29, 2009 10:22 PM
UPA will Keep on demanding to handover terrorists to India. UPA is doing great job. US now wants PAK to try the culprits in Pakistan Indian courts are confused as convicts are langusishing in jails Indians feel BJP is better than congress in handling terror Within 5 years rule they brought stringent POTA
Re: Re: Re: Re: MORON PM
by ankit kulshrestha on Jul 29, 2009 10:32 PM
Both Pee....lolz!! Wht 'bout lulu prasad yadav...or behan majawati..or mulayam mulayam yadav...shall we give them a chance as well!
Heck yeah. Like he would wipe his backside after crapping in the morning.
No matter how loudly Congress shouts, this is a diplomatic disaster. Pm is basiclaly partying with Mr. Gilani over 166 deadbodies eating Multan mangoes.
Also, to put the joint statements simply, PM has backstabbed a billion people.
Now, he's acting like a child lying after stealing food from kitchen.
The majority of India except for anti-Indians (There're are anti-Indians in India who belong to a particular religion) feels that this is a catastrophe bigger than what was 1971 for Pakistan.
I know there are porkis who read our comments here. Let them undrestand that if PM makes one gesture before Pak proves its honesty (Which it hasn't, so far), then there will be strong protests and PM has to back out of it.
Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:16 PM
If you read newspapers you'd realize why this is a catastrophe.
Rehman Malik and Gilani have already raised their voice in blaming India for Baloch miseries.
And this will appear again and again for the next millennia, whenever Pakistan get's a forum to speak in an international arena, be it Asean, Saarc, UN, Common wealth.
Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by ankit kulshrestha on Jul 29, 2009 10:19 PM
Samyak...well lets b civil in our arguements. Now..first thing first...we never accepted that we r doing something in balochistan..we just said that we would look into the allegation..dats it. Now..we looked..we found nothing..as simple as that! So where is the ambiguity?? See...wordings can always b interpreted by choice and with time...we dont need to b defensive..moreover, there was a statement from BLA from london where its leaders rubbished pak's claims that they r receiving any indian help. Infact they said they wish India would have helped. So...the matter is closed. Let pakis say whatever they want...truth is always stage managed by the mighty..dats the law of geopolitical strategy.
Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by PiratefrmSomalia on Jul 29, 2009 10:22 PM
My dear friend similarly by that argument pakistan never accepts it does anything to foment terror in India. Are you so naive or were you dropped on your head when you were a kid?
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by ankit kulshrestha on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM
Well somalian...civility is something u wont understand n ur name personifies this.. Anyways..as far as Pakistan is concerned, arent there enuff proofs already? Why did we have qasab then..to play marbles n gilly danda???? Right from kashmir insurgency to HM, LET headquarters in Pakistan, proofs r all spread like pebbles on the beach..u dont even have to have lens. And Pakistan knows this...the whole world knows this. Read the statement of hillary clinton if u understand english; when she waz in India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by PiratefrmSomalia on Jul 29, 2009 10:34 PM
Ok what are you doing with the proofs? What has Pakistan done with the proofs? Have you been able to nail even a single person? Are you going to let Hillary Clinton decide Indias foreign policy? You are just running around in circles and the pakis are having the last laugh.
Yes i am not civil. But being non civil and speaking out the truth is better than licking backsides and sycophancy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:32 PM
You see, next time there is an incident in balochistan, Pakistan will claim "India" and give a dossier. Now we have to look into the dossier because we have made a promise.
If we don't act on the dossier, pak will should, India was given enough evidence, but India is dishonest in dealing with its RAW elements who caused this.
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by A A on Jul 29, 2009 10:41 PM
Pakistan has accepted that its citizens were involved in the Mumbai attack. The dossier our PM is talking about has the proof of it. The trials that are taking place in Pakistan are proof of it. What Pakistan has not accepted is the state involvement and that the government or the ISI or any other such state linked organization is involved.
This is the for the first time that I am seeing India fight with diplomacy and without war to dismantle the terrorist networks of Pakistan and we are seeing that happen. THIS is slower and not entertaining to watch but this is the right way. What nobody seems to point out is an alternate strategy. How else do you want to bring Pakistan down to its knees and clean up? Through war? Do you know the costs of war and life?
All these jingoistic national sentiments pour out of all of you like you are the only bloody patriotic citizens of India but you have no solutions! Not talking to Pakistan is no solution and even the foolish Americans have realized it!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:51 PM
You have totally missed the point. Pakistan has agreed that the attack came from pakistan for the first time.
BUT WHY?
Simply because Kasab was caught alive.
If not, there wouldn't be any acknowledgement irrespective of India's proof.
Also, in the future attacks, if people are not caught alive, Pakistan will backtrack again.
Also, this is not a victory for Indian goverment.
This is a victory for the police who caught Kasab.
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by jaiho on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 PM
d1ckhead, India and US provided hard evidences of Pakis hand! let them provide such evidences of Indian involvment of your sh1a-sunn1 boxing, then we wll talk. As your name suggests, you belong to the same clan, the clan of d1ckheads
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by PiratefrmSomalia on Jul 29, 2009 10:36 PM
D1ckhead Evidence is being provided since the last 40 years!!! Has anything changed?
Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by j pocha on Jul 29, 2009 10:25 PM
ankit you are so naive and ignorant you ought not to participate in thse discussions. go away, watch MTV
Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:28 PM
Ankit, it's not just a question of accepting that we're not doing anything in Balochistan.
'Balochistan' has a clear cut meaning for pakistanis and the rest of central Asia which India doesn't fathom.
Balochistan = Indian involvement. Just the fact that this word crept into the joint declaration is an acknowledgement that we'll heed to your calls, may be not claims. We need not even heed to their calls.
"we just said that we would look into the allegation..dats it."
It's not that simple. Joint declaration is not an agreement between two companies. It's a basically an extention of foriegn relation policies (or practices) at the highest level.
If it was just about looking into evidence, then why not leave it at that and not include it in the JS.
Did you say a statement saying Pakistan will look into Hafiz Saeed's involvement in 26/11 which would have been more relevant and current?
Don't be so cavaliar like Tharoor in dismissing as just a sentance. It has a lot of meaning to it. Why would it even creep into the declaration, when it should have been "agreen in principle to exchange information".
India did never show balls to include pak sponsored terror in Kashmir.
You'll probably understand if you constantly read Pakistani news papers and their editorials and the statements made by their leaders.
This is what Pakistan will hold in our face, the next time we deny that there are no evidences and we're not taking their dossiers or whatever.
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by ankit kulshrestha on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 PM
I agree...but the joint declarations r not milestones in diplomacy. International diplomacy is a way flexible to accomodate constantly changing geopolitical scenarios. Well..there waz a treaty of versailles (a treaty is an extension of JD) but then what happened. These kind of shadow boxings take place all the time between nations. It doesnt mean that India has abdicated its primary position of linking terror with talks or subjugated to Pak's demands on balochistan. I agree that the declaration was not intelligently drafted but its not the end of the world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 PM
You missed the point.
You see, next time there is an incident in balochistan, Pakistan will claim "India" and give a dossier. Now we have to look into the dossier because we have made a promise.
If we don't act on the dossier, pak will should, India was given enough evidence, but India is dishonest in dealing with its RAW elements who caused this.
Can you understand this simple example?
Now, Pakistan will shout India, India. If India doesn't look into those evidences (false, fabricated, non-existence), then India will be blamed of backtracking on our words.
If India looks into it and doesn't act (as there's nothing to act), India will be accused of dis-honesty and silence on its RAW agents.
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 PM
It just should not have crept into the joint declaration. That's that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:32 PM
You see, next time there is an incident in balochistan, Pakistan will claim "India" and give a dossier. Now we have to look into the dossier because we have made a promise.
If we don't act on the dossier, pak will should, India was given enough evidence, but India is dishonest in dealing with its RAW elements who caused this.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by samyakgowda on Jul 29, 2009 10:45 PM
NO no no no.
You still are hung on the wrong issue.
First of all india is not involved.
Seconds, Balochis are crying that India is not helping them.
Third, it is something where India should get involved, overtly. Very openly, vehemontly supporting Balochistan.
Now, with a declaration, if India goes in open, that would be suicide, because any incidence would be blamed on India.
Now, Pakistan will shout India, India. If India doesn't look into those evidences (false, fabricated, non-existence), then India will be blamed of backtracking on our words.
If India looks into it and doesn't act (as there's nothing to act), India will be accused of dis-honesty and silence on its RAW agents.
Anyways, coming to your point, going forward is not I spare you, you spare me. Because there's nothing to spare.
Going forward should be, I won't spare you for anything that you do. And you will tolerate me for everything that I do, because you have done attrocities against your own Balochis and Pakhtuns in your country, just like Indians and Bangladeshis. I will take you to task. You listen to me and give them freedom.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PM defends the joint statement.
by ankit kulshrestha on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM
See...sooner or later it had to happen! If indeed there r RAW elements in balochistan (I believe there r) then Pak would have countered our allegations with this. What surprises me is that why Pak took so long (inept as they are or mayb India increased the tempo). The only way forward is that u spare me, I spare u approach. India should now go all out guns in balochistan and tell pak through TRACK II that stop nonsense in India, we will stop as well.
