Dear Mr. Anil Mr.Antony is honest and very capable and more over he has a good team of expetrs in the ministry. He will mordanise our armered forces and make it No.2 in the world
Re: MR.ANTONY IS DYNAMIC ENOUGH TO HANDLE DEFENCE MATTERS
by dcrj on Jul 24, 2009 02:12 PM
If wishes were.... Mr Anthony's preoccupation with image & clean plitics has rendered him & the defence ministry incapable of taking meaningful decesive stepspl accept that.
the bofors gun is one of the best equipment in the army's arsenal.. its deadly effectiveness was proven many times over during the kargil war .. in fact bofors made the difference between victory and costly defeat at kargil ! the predatroy indian media, ambitious and ruthless politicians and moral hypocrites had blown up the bofors issue out of all proportion to oust rajeev gandhi .... as a result we have a scenario today which is claustrophobic and inert in the area of defence procurement.. nothing gets done.. nothing moves for fear of corruption charges.. so we have struggled with our indigenous main battle tank arjun.. thats why our light combat aircraft is a nonstarter.. we only know how to give gyahn, blame others and talk moral nonsense.. doing nothing suits us as long as there are others to die on our behalf on the frontlines !
Re: we are bindas iiidiots!
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 24, 2009 02:29 PM
Mr. Mukherjee,
First, understand that nobody questioned the efficacy of Bofors gun. In defence purchases, especially arms and ammunition, middlemen are banned to ensure quality of the goods. Here, in Bofors case, there is clear evidence of middlemen engaging in and the whole objection was to this point. Why the then government allowed middlemen to get involved in the dealing?
Re: Re: we are bindas iiidiots!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 24, 2009 02:35 PM
you said that middlemen are kept out to ensure quality of the goods? at the same time you say that noone is questioning the efficacy of the bofors gun.. in the same breath you are saying that people objected to middlemen's presence in the bofors deal ! i am confused.. if middlemen come in the way of the goods' quality then how come bofors is of such great quality?
Re: Re: Re: we are bindas iiidiots!
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 24, 2009 03:12 PM
It isvery simple mukherjee. Just because middlemen are involved, it is not necessary that the goods will be of inferior quality. There are chances that middleman can influence the buyer to purchase an inferior quality product, although it is not necessary all the times. In Bofors case, the product is good, no doubt. The question was why there was a middleman, when it was banned in defence deal?
Re: Re: we are bindas iiidiots!
by giveanid on Jul 24, 2009 04:44 PM
"First, understand that nobody questioned the efficacy of Bofors gun"- Not true. That time some self important retired army officers claimed that Bofors guns are inferior and will betray us in case of war. Don't know where that guy is now...
Re: Re: we are bindas iiidiots!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 24, 2009 02:31 PM
it appears that for some people priorities are giving moral lectures while the army is kept weak and underequipped... but these same people will be the first ones to cry for action and war at any and every occasion .. as if war is like a cricket match! at the same time there moral posturing will rob the army of the vital material needed to engage in those fancy patriotic wars!
Open the defence R&D in every state. Keep giving the presentation or demo in every engineering college... Hire the people based on the knowldge than reservation. Attract youth by conducting aeronatical show.
Re: agenda
by Akshay Kumar on Jul 24, 2009 01:59 PM
That is natural.Chief Justice of Supreme Court, NSA,Cabinet Secretary etc. etc. Even the owner of Rediff. it is a very long list of talented Malayalees. What is your problem ?
Antony is the weakest defense minister. He doesnt care about the corruption in defence, and he is ready to sign blindly any papers which is given to him.
Re: weakest defense minister
by RathaChamundeeswari Angalamman on Jul 24, 2009 02:03 PM
I hate congress but I have to admit Antony is 1000 times better than former defence ministers, that George Fernandes is a joker for NDA. He flew Mig 21 once and declared Migs are safe even I flew.
I hate to say this, but this particular congress wala is good.
Re: weakest defense minister
by Venugopalan on Jul 24, 2009 01:49 PM
before Antony came on scene the entire defence deals were all clean. forget the submarine deal, jaguar, bofors, the coffins, bullet proof vests, spare parts etc. etc. were just imaginary. After Antony took there were no such imaginations.
Re: weakest defense minister
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 24, 2009 01:53 PM
Who was the strongest defence minister India had?
If Defence Ministry scrap traditional way of purcahse, the very same media and the political parties will make it an issue. The tradition of purchasing from the lowest quote should be done away with. India's defence Minister is not supposed to go minutely to all purchases that is done by defence, except those strategic one. George Fernandes had to pay dearly for signing the coffin deal. Whatever be the quality of the coffin, it is not going to affect the defence forces when they are attacked. While middlemen are avoided in defence procurement (read procurement of armoury) no such bar could be there for purcahse of other items for defence. But our politicians crufied George Fernandes for facilitating purchase of coffin, without perhaps going into the normal procedure, since those had to be purchased urgently to bring in dead bodies. We have made an issue out of it. People and the media do not allow Ministers and department to work and then blame everybody except themselves! Sorry to say, we are a nation of hypocrats.
Its necessary that Babus who have NO Knowlegde of defence related issues & NIL experience of Field conditions - after all their life is spent in airconditioned Ivory towers, be taken off from any decission taking capacity in MOD, a Secretary should provide only secretarial service /support & Not rule with agenda to grind personal/his IAS service axe.But they actually rule in the name of Ministers since he has neither inclination nor knowlege. Babu should not be allowed to run the forces in the pretext of civilian control on Def Forces. It should be only qualified Minister with direct and close interaction with specialist - the Service Chiefs
Re: India's defence & Armed Forces
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 24, 2009 02:00 PM
And then meet the fate of George FErnandes. He was the only Defence Minister who dared to go to Saichen and see for himself the problems faced by the Jawans. He asked the babus not to delay purchse of blanket etc. for jawans on one pretext or the other.
He ordered purchase of coffins without delay when he observed that the dead bodies ofIndian jawans are brought in without proper care. What he got in return was allegation of corruption. It is quite possible that the people who were responsible for purcahse of coffin, might have made something out of it. That is there in every purcahse. Except for the purchase of arms and ammunation where middlemen are not allowed as per rule (although in BOfors purchse, with the connivance of politicians, middlemen were involved, for other purchases there is no harm if middlemen are involved, provided good quality material and faster delivery is ensured. Do we know anything else than criticising others. We have not even spared Gandhiji, then why to talk on others.
It is the fate of our country.If we look back into the history, we will find that the same strategy is repeated.Everybody in our country is worried for himself only and no body cares for the country as a whole.The post of CDS will never be formed as the Babus and beurocrats will never wish to loose control over the military even at the cost of country's existance.
