Re: DRAVIDIANS
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 11, 2009 06:58 PM
it is proved now by modern research that indian civilization started at the banks of river saraswati 10-12 thousand yrs back, which was the vedic civilization and Indus valley civilization was a continuity of the same - there was nothing called any invasion - and aryan was no race - it was a way of addressing a noble person. You people may dream about ur dravidian pride - but in reality there was no aryan dravidian fight what so ever - these classifications themselves never existed. Do you know Indus valley script has been deciphered? And it is very much vedic and the language is mother of sanskrit? U people dont read about whats happening - stay in your own biased dreamy theories and talk crap on a forum.
Re: DRAVIDIANS
by JayaKumar Patchala on Feb 11, 2009 04:58 PM
No, u r wrong. Aryan's liquor is different from dravidian's liquor. (in south, we have palm and gudumba. In north, they have sura/sara ( some form of a cheap liquor ). So, between north and south there is an eternal war of which liquor is better????? Thats what all the purans and upanishads are all about
Re: Re: DRAVIDIANS
by kesireddy sreedhar on Feb 11, 2009 06:49 PM
Aryan's liquor was called "SOMA". Aryans were originally from Bharat Varsha, who went to various parts of the world in search of a pure land of God in 8000 BC. At last they realised that, their culture and mother land is much much better than any other part of the world, and came back as NRB. (Non-resident Bharatiya). Europeans does not know this and presented a wrong picture of Aryans. And we Indians have a great habit of beleiving what ever those white people say.
Re: Re: Re: DRAVIDIANS
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 11, 2009 07:00 PM
You are right.
There is no Dravidian - Aryan separation man. Indus valley civilization was the material manifestation of the spiritual Vedic civilization, which started at approx 10,000 B.C. after the end of the last Ice Age in the bank of river Saraswati. There was no Aryan invasion, which was a lie or fruad theory whatever you say by the Europeans - Brits and Germans for their own selfish needs and later by marxist historians like romila thapar and the like. Whether mallus, tamils, kannadas, bihari, bengali or gujju - all of us share the same genes - there is no difference in our genetic history. Modern research is showing that Indian subcontinenet was the first organized and advanced civilization. People in phases went out of India to central asia and other areas.
Do you believe that Mahabharat had occured. Do you believe that Lord Krishna was there. Do you believe that Lord Krishna had told GEETA to Arjun/ Do you believe taht Gandhari was from Kandhar? Over the ages the stories remain back. But if you believe taht GEETA is the creation of Lord Krishna - then logicaly you have to believe that Mahabharat did occur. Which part of Earth these all were existing that time? Sanskrit was in use - which part of earth? What religious values were that time? After Mahabharat ---- Like After World War that time almost everything was destroyed. The carry forward of Spiritual Power got lost. Everything started fro scratch. Sanskrit remained in books. Civilisation Vs Non Civilisation - War was that time amongst Kaurav Vs Pandav. After destruction everything lost -- Here is the wide gap --- Logical study on the events need to be studied. If the genious people are doing exercise and throwing light is most welcome
Re: Re: Mahabharat and so on ---------
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 11, 2009 07:03 PM
There is no Dravidian - Aryan separation man - browse internet - you will get lot of insights - Indus valley civilization was the material manifestation of the spiritual Vedic civilization, which started at approx 10,000 B.C. after the end of the last Ice Age in the bank of river Saraswati. There was no Aryan invasion, which was a lie or fruad theory whatever you say by the Europeans - Brits and Germans for their own selfish needs and later by marxist historians like romila thapar and the like. Whether mallus, tamils, kannadas, bihari, bengali or gujju - all of us share the same genes - there is no difference in our genetic history. Modern research is showing that Indian subcontinenet was the first organized and advanced civilization. People in phases went out of India to central asia and other areas. So its a total false theory that aryans came from central asia n propounded hinduism. So ur forefathere and my forefathers all originated in India only. Come out of this pseudo dravidian slumber. Your Periyar started this dravidian stuff for political purposes. We are all same - there is no difference between Dravidians and so called Aryans. Modern research si showing that Ramayana occured 7000 yrs back and Mahabharata occured 5000 years back. If you are interested to gain more knowledge - mail me at koushikrudra@rediffmail.com - I will be too happy to share with you. But you have to shed this closed mindedness
Re: Mahabharat and so on ---------
by Tom Dick on Feb 11, 2009 04:42 PM
Human beings were here for millions of years. Human beings feared the nature - Rain, Storm , Thunder, lightning etc. So he invented 'god' and prayed to god for protection. Then came clergy who realised that by scaring people in the name of god is an opportunity to make money. The clergy started inflights and various religions and scts were created. By late 20th century politicians also realised that religion is a good way of making fast buck! So they created vote banks in the name of religion. Everything we see in the name of religion and god is probably somebody's imagination.
there are many dravidians who are fair and many so called aryans who are dark, so this aryan dravidian concept is itself bullshit. it was invented by hitler to propogate his racist theory.
Re: Hitlers theory
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 11, 2009 07:09 PM
Not only for German interest but that bogus Max Muller was doing it for British India - to demean Vedas and the Vedic civilization and dividing Indians. His Aryan Invasion Theory was a total assumption like Biblical assumption of world was created on around 4000 BC. His AYT was long discarded by West, but we Indians still feel that Maxmuller is god and some blind mallus and tamilians go on harping this dravidian stuff. There was no dravidian aryan stuff. Indus valey civilization at around 3000 BC was a continuity of the great Vedic civilization, which started at around 10000 BC after the end of the Ice Age at the banks of river Saraswati.
Re: Hitlers theory
by guest on Feb 11, 2009 04:19 PM
There are families who have dark and fair individuals in the household. I believe it must be the same across most of India. The question is where do the people who got the dark gene got it from and where do the people who got the fair gene got it from?
We are in the 21st century- we can go through our own history without getting mad about it.
There must have been two group in the past who have intermarried, called one group X and the other group Y if the Dravidian and Aryan words is now more political than say the word Nordic and medittaranean in Europe.
Re: Re: Hitlers theory
by Mr Walker on Feb 11, 2009 04:30 PM
You need to do some reading on how the DNA evolves and changes also about the effect of environmental factors on human physiology.
Chances are that the differences originated more from environmental conditions of humans life.
We may not even know what the original color was so forget this argument of skin color.
The Indus was proto-Dravidian. I had a look at the BBC program "History of India". Google for it if people are interested. It can a non-bias view of the history of India, i.e. the history focus on the whole of India from the Indus to the IT age- and the program wa not a North Centric view of history as we have been made to learn here. It clearly states that the Hindus was proto-Dravidian, and the Aryan came somewhere from Tajikistan where Earth mound and burial practice is simialr if not the same with Aryan burial tradition and custom. It talks about the drink of Somanth- which is not found in the Sub-continent. And the BBC guys clearly states that the view this aspect of India is not welcome in India because of political reason.
The focus will be on the relation between the Indus and the Vedic cultures from about 3,000 BC to 1,000 BC. The experts will attempt to bridge the chronological, linguistic and racial gap between the material and literary cultures of the Indus and Vedic.
Its a shame that distinguish scolar have to go to foreign land to even analyse this topic.
Inetersting is that they mention the gap of 2000 years. as if nothing happen as the current history, there will be lot of political coverup if the panel expert talks about things that is not accepted by powerful non-expert.
Re: The Indus was proto-Dravidian
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 11, 2009 07:14 PM
We are still in the White skin worshiping. 100 yrs back that Maxmulller abd company cheated us and now BBC.
There is no Dravidian - Aryan separation man - browse internet - you will get lot of insights - Indus valley civilization was the material manifestation of the spiritual Vedic civilization, which started at approx 10,000 B.C. after the end of the last Ice Age in the bank of river Saraswati. There was no Aryan invasion, which was a lie or fruad theory whatever you say by the Europeans - Brits and Germans for their own selfish needs and later by marxist historians like romila thapar and the like. Whether mallus, tamils, kannadas, bihari, bengali or gujju - all of us share the same genes - there is no difference in our genetic history. So which Central Asian stuff you are talking about? Modern research is showing that Indian subcontinenet was the first organized and advanced civilization. People in phases went out of India to central asia and other areas. So its a total false theory that aryans came from central asia n propounded hinduism. So ur forefathere and my forefathers all originated in India only. Come out of this pseudo dravidian slumber.
There is no gap between Indus and Vedic civilization - in fact both are same and I can show you the continuity as per recent research. Contact me at koushikrudra@rediffmail.com
Re: The Indus was proto-Dravidian
by anonymous anonymous on Feb 11, 2009 03:37 PM
How can the British be non-biased? They always wanted a weak India, both before and after independence. BBC is always known to be against India.
Re: Re: The Indus was proto-Dravidian
by iamnotlegend on Feb 11, 2009 04:10 PM
there are many dravidians who are fair and many so called aryans who are dark, so this aryan dravidian concept is itself bullshit. it was invented by hitler to propogate his racist theory.
Re: The Indus was proto-Dravidian
by vinay s on Feb 11, 2009 06:07 PM
there are several reasons to belive that aryan invasion was a myth the most prominent one being the extensive and deep fantastic literature the so called nomadic aryans had. any logic would find it strange that nomadic groups would have such developed and very rich literature. the aryan theory was promoted to weaken the Indian nationalist movements by justifying that if the aryans can invade why cant the british!!
The Eternal civilisation of Bharat – Sanatana Dharma – which has survived continuous onslaughts and treacherous plans by Moghuls and European Missionnairies (Not Indian Muslims-Christians), which has eliminated numerous traitors from within like Jaichand, Leftists, pseudo secular politicians, media etc., continuous to shine brighter, like the sun which cannot be contained by cloth pieces.
The purifying fire of Bharat will make the whole universe divine as told by Albert Einstien. So do not worry, Valentines Day or Pubs cannot spoil your dharma. But your own vices and adharma will be dangerous – like pseudo secular and goonda hindu right wing politicians. Hinduism has survived because of high value and morals – practiced and not preached. Men like Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi, Shri Aurobindo, Shivaji, Narayan Guru, Veer Savarkar.
The best part is you can go to a churches or a mosques and still be a Hindu – respecting almighty in all forms.
The Eternal civilisation of Bharat – Sanatana Dharma – which has survived continuous onslaughts and treacherous plans by Moghuls and European Missionnairies (Not Indian Muslims / Christians), which has eliminated numerous traitors from within like Jaichand, Leftists, pseudo secular politicians, media etc., continuous to shine brighter, like the sun which cannot be contained by cloth pieces.
The purifying fire of Bharat will make the whole universe divine as told by Albert Einstien. So do not worry, Valentines Day or Pubs cannot spoil your dharma. But your own vices and adharma will be dangerous – like pseudo secular and goonda hindu right wing politicians. Hinduism has survived because of high value and morals – practiced and not preached. Men like Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi, Shri Aurobindo, Shivaji, Narayan Guru, Veer Savarkar.
The best part is you can go to a church or a mosque and still be a Hindu – respecting almighty in all forms.
It is doubtful if the present population are decendants of the Indus Valley civilization. For one thing, the present lot living in those areas are not civilized !
