There is a lot of ambiguity regarding Indus civilisation amongst Indians & Westerners as well. One thing we can be sure that, once upon a time we (Indians) were the most advanced community, that's why western scientists claim that , the Aryans came from Europe.Also some people in India also believes the same. Nobody is sure about that, so all we can do is, respect all those great personalities like Shri Rama, Swami vivekanand,Shivai, Rana Pratap, Prithviraj Chauhan, Sant Dnyaneshwar, Sant Tukaram etc.,who have contributed a lot to our society.
Re: Re: Aryans came from europe?
by Sanjay Baxi on Feb 12, 2009 02:19 PM
It is somehow established by Anthropologists that the first human migration took place from Africa. As they came out from African continent they travelled eastward along the shores of Asia, and eventually reached India. Some of the pure breed of African genes can be found in places like Andaman islands. Also there is surprising resemblances between the cultures of African tribes and the tribes of India. People of African origin settled mostly towards the southern part of the country whereas in the Northern india what we see are the Indo Iranian genes,But as such it is very difficult to find any person who is carrying any pure gene, we are all mixed-up, excepting places like Andaman island and some remote himalayan village.
Re: Re: Re: Aryans came from europe?
by Nostra Damus on Feb 12, 2009 04:33 PM
Baxi's point is nearer the mark. There are no pure races in India. Indeed most 'aryans' of india are not acepted as such in places like Central Asia or Europe. In fact, the strength of our civilization may be due to the fact that we are mixed race and have the strengths of all gene pools. Almost every race is represented, albeit in a mixed way, in india.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Aryans came from europe?
by Sanjay Baxi on Feb 12, 2009 04:39 PM
It may be the weakness as well. You know the difference between the thoroughbred and mongrel...JUST JOKING...
Re: hmm
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 11:45 AM
body is just matter...soul is important..ths is what vedas teach us.. and in terms of purity of souls..we indians are all equal..So please be humble and dont divide the nation.i am a north indian and i disagree with you.
Re: Re: hmm
by chennai inspassn on Feb 12, 2009 02:29 PM
I agree with Mr Nagrani, we indian are all equal and with great difficulty have come out of our discriminating past and are building a new fair indian. one must raise above state, religion and caste etc-Subramanian
Re: Re: Re: hmm
by Sonu Madhavan on Feb 12, 2009 05:30 PM
Kudos to Mr. Nagrani and Subramanian. I feel that i am Indian first then anything else. we must learn form our past we were attacked and looted just because we at that time were divided and we met the same fate we still we fight with each other
Re: Re: Re: Re: hmm
by Ramesh Jatav on Feb 13, 2009 10:57 PM
yu are very right.But unluckily the followers of foreign religion would not agree with your idea
Every Indian particularly Parivar mindset think that, Indian civilization belong to them only and Sindhu civilization progress down from their ancestors. Even people living in the far south India claim to be part of this great civilization. What a misconception!
It is like all African claiming to be descendent of Egyptian PHARAOS..
Re: MISCONCEPTION
by Archana Kulkarni on Feb 12, 2009 12:50 PM
Indus valley civilization is a riddle that cannot be solved easily. We modern-day indians didn't even know that it ever existed till the british excavated the site.
We should be more curious about our roots than we currently are.
Re: Re: Re: MISCONCEPTION
by donkeybreadth on Feb 12, 2009 03:17 PM
okay, you should stop learning history from a bunch of looters and marxists. There happy now
good attempt..as Indian universities don't have their time to concentrate on such things rather to study unwanted things;and for communist imperialism.
Re: good attempt........
by mallik jhalota on Feb 12, 2009 10:32 AM
in india if they do it... either congress or bjp will oppose it and kick the scientists out...Already we r living with so many racist ideas..
Re: Re: good attempt........
by subash baby on Feb 12, 2009 10:37 AM
this i nothing related with racism, it is about history and facts.........which we lost in recent past.
The objectives of the conference look very good.There are many questions still unanswered regarding this great civlisation.Controversies may continue but people will have more material to judge and formulate their opinions.The historical sites, events and people are world heritage.We must respect the opinions expressed and judge the issues on their scientific merit.I hope the deliberations to bring new lights and add significant information to be utilised by future historians and others.
"Aryan invasion-Dravidian origin" is a theory by british people who used it successfully for devide and rule on indians....still we are fighting on it....
Re: theory used for devide and rule
by X on Feb 12, 2009 10:40 AM
Who told you that the theory is wrong ? This theory has been confirmed by the genes analysis which shows higher caste people have a greater mix of west European genes.
Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:44 AM
there are good books that have given many scientific proofs to prove ths theory wrong...return of aryans is one of them
Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 11:20 AM
if you can give me some other id yours i can send you proofs...detailed proofs for ths theory to be false..i am in office so can not search and copy paste like you..thanks
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 12, 2009 12:04 PM
Hi Sunny - my id is koushikrudra@rediffmail.com. I am also doing extensive study on the ancientness of the indian ciovilization. Why do not we intercat with each other and share our knowledge. Thanks, Koushik Rudra
Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:59 AM
mix of genes is not denied...the important question is how these genes got mixed..muller theory was one that said europeans came to india..it is discarded by west.return of aryans tells tht aryans went in search of holy land and then returned to thier land as they found it was holiest..scientific proofs given in the book show its proof.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by X on Feb 12, 2009 11:08 AM
Contemporary Hindu Indians are of proto-Asian origin with West Eurasian admixture. However, admixture with West Eurasian males was greater than admixture with West Eurasian females, resulting in a higher affinity to European Y chromosomes. This supports an earlier suggestion of Passarino et al. (1996), which was based on a comparison of mtDNA and blood group results. Furthermore, the degree of West Eurasian admixture was proportional to caste rank. This explanation is consistent with either the hypothesis that proportionately more West Eurasians became members of the upper castes at the inception of the caste hierarchy or that social stratification preceded the West Eurasian incursion and that West Eurasians tended to insert themselves into higher-ranking positions. One consequence is that shared Indo-European languages may not reflect a common origin of Europeans and most Indians, but rather underscores the transfer of language mediated by contact between West Eurasians and native proto-Indians.
Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:48 AM
there is a difference between science and writers opinion... n these books give scientific proof..u have fun too..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by X on Feb 12, 2009 10:54 AM
what proof ? Can you offer concrete proof as I have offered ? The full dna analysis with every variable used in the research is available for you ... and what have you got to offer ? Rhetoric ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 11:14 AM
mixture of genes itself shows tht they were not completely european..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by X on Feb 12, 2009 11:18 AM
Well somebody has to be completely European to mix his/her genes ! Plus the high degree of male admixture points towards invasion as armies are primarily composed of males.
Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 12, 2009 01:42 PM
Please go through this article - newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.indian/2006-08/msg00348.pdf Genetics research proving that Indians are indegeneous.
Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 12, 2009 11:28 AM
Dear Mr. X - who gave you this genes analysis conclusion - its totally crap - on the contrary after the genes analysis is done, there is very less European or proto Indian genes in pan indian population - on the contrary the pan indian population is having more affinity towards the south east asian genes. Dunno from where we Indians develop these crap ideas. Aryan Invasion Theory was a totally politically motivated proposition done by that bogus historian called Max Muller (being a Biblical Scholar - he also deeply believed that earth was created at around 4000 BC in seven days as given in Bible) acted on Hitler's interest and also to please his British bosses to demean Indians and to prove that nothing in original here - if Aryans can invade we also can. Modern research is showing that cradle of civilization is India and not Mesopotamia. Vedic civilization started at around 10,000 BC after the last ice age at the bank of river Saraswati and Indus Valley civilization is a continuity of the Vedic civilization - in fact it was the material manifestation of the Vedic civilization - there was nothing called Aryans and Dravidians - there was no race called Aryans - Aryan was a way to address a respectable gentleman. The decipherment of Indus Valley scripts gave major proof to this. After Maxmuller and company, this Marxist historians like Romilla Thapar and company still wants to keep this lie alive because of their own political reasons.
Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 12, 2009 11:33 AM
Some Tamilian and other South Indian politicians also want to keep this lie alive simply for political reasons. The Genetic part, archeological part, linguitic part - every thing is pointing that this Aryan Invasion Theory is one of the biggest frauds and lies of the past two centuries. Come on brother - be happy to know that - modern research is pointing that all of us Indians - irrespective of our mother tongue, skin color or religion - we are the descendants of the oldest and the greatest civilization on earth which started at 10000 BC - much earlier than the Egyptians or the Mesopotamians. And our ancient forefathers were masters of astronomy, mathematics, Medicines, literature, town planning, and modern science like aerootics and nuclear science. Let all of us Indians be proud to be Indians - celebrating the greatness of our forefathers and try to achieve global leadership in today's world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 01:27 PM
i hv stored your id...i shall interact with you after office or on weekend..thanks..
Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by Nostra Damus on Feb 12, 2009 04:37 PM
Then Mr. X shouldnt you return to Europe, that is, if they accept you ?
Re: Re: theory used for devide and rule
by donkeybreadth on Feb 12, 2009 11:50 AM
If you are correct, then looks like the Aryans did exactly what you aussies, or should I say displaced poms did to the aborigines. Must say for displaced pom you spend an awful lot of time having a dig at India - is that because of your air of superiority or that you are just a little bollockless little twat
Dravidians are the sons of the soils of india.north indian ppl came from outside the country.sanskrit is their language and hindi developed from that.tamil,telugu,kannada and pali are the original langauges of india.
Re: DRAVIDIANS
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:05 AM
i agree with your views on sanskrit and i support that sanskrit should be our national language..
Re: Re: Re: DRAVIDIANS
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:09 AM
all indian languages have many words from sanskrit..this shows sanskrit is the mother of all languages..
Re: Re: Re: Re: DRAVIDIANS
by Guest on Feb 13, 2009 01:26 AM
all indian languages have many words from English..this shows English is the mother of all languages..
Re: Re: Re: Re: DRAVIDIANS
by Onlooker on Feb 12, 2009 10:22 AM
having a few words here and there is not enough. the basic language element root has to come from a language to be considered a mother language.
Re: DRAVIDIANS
by New Blogger on Feb 12, 2009 10:15 AM
Even if I believe your theory than Dravidians belong to the southern part of the country not the entire India.
Re: DRAVIDIANS
by mallik jhalota on Feb 12, 2009 10:22 AM
which is a theory by british people who used it successfully for devide and rule on indians....
Re: DRAVIDIANS
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:08 AM
tamil telugu and kannada have many words from sanskrit... this also shows tht sanskrit is not just the language of aryans
Re: Re: DRAVIDIANS
by Raju Rajendrn on Feb 13, 2009 01:32 AM
How come here are so many words common to Sanskrit and European languages. Did Alexander bring them to India.
Re: DRAVIDIANS
by sunny nagrani on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 AM
aryan-dravidian war is a myth... please read 'return of aryans' by B S Gidwani..please dont accept everything tht the westerners say
