The Vrishni Clan to which Sri Krishna belonged still exists with people. European people write Kushan as foreigners, but Kushan were the people who went to Asia/Europe during internal war among Yaduvanshis in Dwarika, and then some of them came back. Kushan is modified form of Krishna. Their clan from Mid Asia is verified to Yaduvanshis. The rulers of great Bharatpur Jat Empire of 17th Century which had entire Haryana, and western UP, belong to Lord Krishna's clan (Vrishni). All Mahabharat ruling clans still exists among Jats (Yaduvanshis). For exampple Yodhey of Yudhisthir, Dhillon of Karn, Pandava, Panchal, Kuru, Puru etc. As per Mahabharat Lord Krishna created a group called GYAT, which became known as Jat over a period of time. The clans which are told to be part of it still exists in Jat community in Haryan/Punjab. These clans and their existence is traceable in history of Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arab, Rome and the Buddhist scriptures of before Christ. All noted historians has confirmed about the existence of Lord Krishna, and their analysis is very close to the one discovered by Pandit now. Most historians have indicated 2500Bc to 3000BC. During recent PhD Thesis on Bharatpur rulers, they have counted 150 generations since Lord Krishna till Maharaja Surajmal with most of the names. This again makes it around 3000 BC on an average generation time. Southern side people might doubt it as they do not see Mahabharat time's clans there. But in north is is everyday fact.
Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by icshyderabad on Aug 31, 2009 10:30 PM
Shreyaji-thanks for the info. Southern people do not doubt this, or cannot also-for the simple reason the caste-sub-division structure in north is not known here. But fact of the matter is the timing perfectly corroborates-the advent of Kaliyuga-5000 yrs , vis-a-vis Krishna. Your post has given good information and immense happiness-Thanks
Re: Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 10:49 PM
shreya ji there is no settlment in india with life of 5000bc.please give locationwhich 5000 yrs old.
Re: Re: Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by JGN on Aug 31, 2009 11:16 PM
Archeologists have found a big ancient city immersed in the sea near the coast line of Tamil Nadu. They found out that it was the oldest civilization, lived by a civilized community. They have calculated it as 7000 year old. Even Mohenjadoro and Harappa civilizations considered to be the oldest and the bet are only 5000 years old. 2000 years earlier than that, our Country civilized as that.
Re: Re: Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by ChemTech India on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 PM
(for tajender), he himself don't know who he is, he adopts the name of person with which his mother sleeps that particular night. so enjoy & let him bark
Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by mailerumsfield on Aug 31, 2009 11:02 PM
if it was promised it was promised to semitic not european.promised because they want to rob oil of the land. in india u r new comers.dravadians were living before u people.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by Pranav B on Aug 31, 2009 11:07 PM
Yeah right believe that missionarrry/communist theory..possible that you are part of that clan.
Who next? anglos and people of arrab orgin?...why not you chase them out of India?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord Krishna Existed
by icshyderabad on Aug 31, 2009 11:06 PM
Oh is it so? In the promissed land Europeans are living, and not the rabbis and their clan of jews. Then all the hamas etc., are fighting europeans? great knowledge
Evidence No.2 from the same place: After the saint(He is in Jeeva Samaadhi-alive to all who believe-and abt 370 yrs since), the place known as Mantralayam(the Mutt of Madhwa followers), the Mutt was governed by different heads. I do not remember the year-but this is again documented evidence. Andhra was not separate then-it was known as Madras province, and there was one English man by name Sir Thomas Munroe, who was collector of this region under reference. When there were certain doubts about the legitimacy of the Mutt owning the place, he did come to Mantralayam for enquiry. He spoke to the pontiff, and the greatest problem was that the pontiff was not understanding the language of the collector, and vice-versa. Even dubasis(translators) could not do the job perfectly. Ultimately the pontiff said-as it was Sri Raghavendra himself who got the land from the Nawad by royal decree, the collector better go and talk to the saint-who is already in Samadhi, and this is one thing Mr Munroe could not digest, as any one of us. Neverthless he did go inside the shrine, and started asking questions-and Saint Raghavendra replied from inside the Samadhi in a language best understood by Mr. Munroe, and he was satisfied. Akshatas fell from no where into the hands of Mr Munroe, and he returned back happily to the camp office, and told the cook to add this to the rice used to prepare dinner that day. This is available in Madras Government Gazette. I do have the Gazette Number also, but tak
Re: Evidence-No.2
by kalyan nerella on Aug 31, 2009 10:07 PM
When Sir Thomas Munroe was the Collector of Bellary in 1800, the Madras Government ordered him to procure the entire income from the Math and Manthralaya village. When the Revenue officials were unable to comply with this order, Sir Thomas Munroe visited the Math for investigation. He removed his hat and shoes and entered the sacred precincts. Sri Raghavendraswamy emerged from the Brindavan and conversed with him for sometime, about the resumption of endowment. The Saint was visible and audible only to Munroe who received Manthraksha. The Collector went back and wrote an order in favour of the Math and the village. This notification was published in the Madras Government Gazette in Chapter XI and page 213, with the caption ``Manchali Adoni Taluka''. This order is still preserved in Fort St. George and Manthralayam.
All the priests in the Math were much annoyed, because in spite of their long and sincere service, he did not give them darshan. That night, Guruji appeared in the dream of the chief priest and told him that as Prahaladha, he and Munroe were class-mates in Kritha Yuga and he was destined to perform this noble deed of solving the Math's problem. Hence the unique privilege.
Re: Re: Re: Evidence-No.2
by icshyderabad on Aug 31, 2009 11:01 PM
and the priests getting annoyed etc., is an addition to the actual episode-neverthless not unwelcome
The entire texts,except for some trash/rubbish, were interesting & illuminating. Thanks,Lord Krishna-the Almighty, that with His grace,rational/intelligent Hindoos are living in Hindustan !!!
Re: Dr.Pandit's revelations about existance of Srikrishna/Mahabh
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 10:27 PM
being brahamin u will start marketing this &make money.built a temple in his name.
Re: Re: Dr.Pandit's revelations about existance of Srikrishna/Ma
by ChemTech India on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 PM
(for tajender), he himself don't know who he is, he adopts the name of person with which his mother sleeps that particular night. so enjoy & let him bark
Re: Re: Dr.Pandit's revelations about existance of Srikrishna/Ma
by icshyderabad on Aug 31, 2009 10:44 PM
intolerance will take us nowhere. Pious month of Ramadan should give illumination, and accept from everywhere. -----hafeez
Re: Re: Dr.Pandit's revelations about existance of Srikrishna/Ma
by JGN on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 PM
The same way one mentally deranged Arab made it mandatory for all musliims to visit Kaaba at least once in their life time in order to make a perpetual source of income for his tribe. When the g0d is "formless" and "ominpresent" what is the need to go all the way to the Arabian desert to worship him?
Re: Re: Re: Dr.Pandit's revelations about existance of Srikrish
by mailerumsfield on Aug 31, 2009 11:07 PM
why there is no sign of sanskrit,horse or cow in indusvalley civilization.lndp0jari,shree jgn,pls tell.
Re: Re: Re: Dr.Pandit's revelations about existance of Srikrishn
by mailerumsfield on Aug 31, 2009 11:04 PM
sangh1 parrot some time change the rythm.ek hi tur tur.
Documented evidences; 1. This is about Sri Raghavendraswamy, whose MUTT is situated in Kurnool district of Andhra Pradesh. - Deewan Venkanna (the court administrator) of Nawas Soodi Masood Khan, the Nawad of Adoni, was a devotee of Raghavendra.(Even to-day you can find the well dug by him in Adoni-Venkanna Baavi(Venkanna’s well) - When the saint visited Adoni-the Nawab wanted to prove Sri Venkanna wrong, and has offered pieces of meat in a plate covered with silk cloth, as prashad after pooja. Venkanna and other court ppl were aware of this, but could not open their mouth, as Nawab was personally present there. - After Pooja to the idols(lord Rama , Laxman, Sita etc.,) the saint sprinkled holy water on the plate and the covering cloth was taken off. To the surprise and disbelief of the gathering, what was found was flowers, and sugar candy. - With this the Nawab was shocked-and paid obeisance to the saint, and offered so much of money, lands etc etc., wherein the saint said that he will be happy if the Nawab could give the village Manchala(now known as Mantralayam). - The Nawab was again taken aback, not understanding why the saint has asked for a useless hamlet on the banks of Tungabhadra River-compared to the riches offered, and on the continued insistence of the saint only for this small non-descript piece of land-gave it with royal orders. The orders are available in the Govt. of AP records
Re: God exists-Documentary evidences
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 10:30 PM
orders will be available.nawabs&muzlims were tolerant .story is right/wrong yet to be chcked.
Re: Re: God exists-Documentary evidences
by icshyderabad on Aug 31, 2009 10:49 PM
tajender bhai, first of all there cannot be a nawab(which includes muslim brethern) in India, as per the holy calender. The land belongs to natives, and the dating is almost 4 times the age of what we are speaking.
Re: Re: Re: God exists-Documentary evidences
by mailerumsfield on Aug 31, 2009 11:15 PM
but they managers during vedic rule land was belonging to temples.muzlim rulers distributed the land to natives.aryans are only 12-13%.
Re: Re: Re: Re: God exists-Documentary evidences
by icshyderabad on Aug 31, 2009 11:21 PM
there are two things in your reply. 1. that there was a vedic period and the lands belonged to temples(in your view) 2.That natives are different, from immigrants/invadors etc., etc., Now just think-why does a temple require land as a property? I think you should do some coooool and rational thinking-albiet about India - other regions yes go ahead.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: God exists-Documentary evidences
by mailerumsfield on Sep 01, 2009 12:53 AM
aryans or vedics are only 13% they `were different from natives. temples wre owned by brahamins so they were virtually owners of entire wealth of the nation.like now corporates are owners all employee are slaves.through temples they were running institution of slavery. moghuls gave the right of ownership to indian peasants for te first time in indian history.
Re: God exists-Documentary evidences
by inder ratra on Sep 01, 2009 03:11 PM
may be some deciple among darbaris changed the content of silk covered plate.
India's history was/is written by missionaries, British and communists ..each with their own hidden agenda. Only foolish people will believe history written by these three. Even reading few verses in Gita will clearly tell you from whom the message is coming from. People who meditated and who have some spiritual knowledge know the truth.
Kudos to Dr. Manish Pandit. Its god`s gesture to prove thru him that He existed in human form as Krishna. Money shoud never be a problem for his research - BJP/RSS and other Hindu rich should contribute to help him out. To do such monumental work scientifically, and otherwise, he must have been a blessed soul to do that with a purpose. Congratulations, and thanks for bringing out the greatness of Hinduism, the greatest non-secular religioin.
Re: Re: Kudos
by myindiaourindia on Aug 31, 2009 09:11 PM
by name, you seem to be a punjabi, and if you see, most pilgrims to vaishnodevi are punjabis if it is a fake story, why your own community people pray vaishnodevi?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kudos
by JGN on Aug 31, 2009 09:16 PM
myindiaourindia, he is not a Punjabi. He is a Paki musliims who always use hiindu/sikh names lime vinayakpurohit, tilak, mailerrumsfield, ashok bajpai, etc!! I had interacted with him for a long time.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kudos
by myindiaourindia on Aug 31, 2009 09:39 PM
dear JGN, i trust you, and looking at posts by tajender, i absolutely agree with you
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kudos
by ChemTech India on Aug 31, 2009 10:37 PM
sir, he himself don't know who he is, he adopts the name of person with which his mother sleeps that particular night. so enjoy & let him bark
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kudos
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 09:29 PM
i have been to vaishnao devi.icy pns is erected through refrigeration principles whenever there is power failure it melts. 1890 when refrigeration cycle was invented this fraud was invented.chq the dates from internet.if u dont believe.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kudos
by Akhilesh Singh on Sep 02, 2009 06:31 PM
Yes I am reading you on the Internet only! So what ever you or anyone write on Internet is true?
verses in Vedas and Upanishads condemns idol worship .. because idol worship is a mechanism of religious middle men to exploit the vulnerable worshippers ..no idols = no dakshinas ..that will hurt many people . How can one worship a thing that we have made with our own hand ..
"Na tasya pratima asti "There is no image of Him." [Yajurveda 32:3]
"Shudhama poapvidham" "He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]
"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste" "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti (created things)." [Yajurveda 40:9]
"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan" "There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit." "Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures." [Bhagavad Gita 7:20
Re: Re: Vedas Condemn Idol Worship
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 08:31 PM
i feel very soon lunatic centre will take laptop from u.u are not taking medicines these days.
Re: Re: Re: Vedas Condemn Idol Worship
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 08:32 PM
jgn bhai,
how come there is no sign of sanskrit cow &horses in indus valley civilization. it means hind00s(vedics)came here like any other invaders.they destroyed indus valley civilization. cannot call themselves as oldest inhibitants of this soil.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vedas Condemn Idol Worship
by JGN on Aug 31, 2009 10:46 PM
tajender, every thing is wrong with you. The funniest part of the story is that you do not realize that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vedas Condemn Idol Worship
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 09:37 PM
aryans are new comers but before izlam.but after indus valley civilization.u can say dravidian..
That destiny beckons us to revive her spiritual culture and share it for the benefit of all mankind. This demands that the intellectual elite of the country desist from denigrating the soul of India in hasty and superficial pseudo-secular attempts to be ‘modern’ and ‘humanitarian’. The main task before us today is that we should liberate ourselves from the suicidal stranglehold of the soul-destroying nation-perception of pseudo secularcongress, communist and awaken a new spirit of national consciousness in ourselves. We have to develop a clear national vision. Such a national vision would mean the following:
1. We Hindus are a Nation, not a religious community. We should declare the name of our nationality to be Hindu, and no other name would be acceptable to us.
2. The distinctive feature of our Nation is Sanatana Dharma, in its myriad forms such as Shakta, Saiva, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain etc. It is this Dharma, which gives us our national identity. We shall not accept any other ideology as a heritage of our country. We cannot regard any alien creed as our own religion.
3. Undivided India or Akhand Bharath is our Motherland. Even though parts of India have seceded today, we do not accept this division. Our goal is to re-unite the whole of our ancestral homeland into our Motherland, no matter how long it takes and no matter however long and hard that road may be.
Re: glory of india
by amritha chaithanya on Aug 31, 2009 07:17 PM
wot will u acheive after all?how many of them died peacefully after living here without the stuffs u have mentioned?
After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world, I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so philosophic, and none so spiritual as the great religion known by the name of Hinduism. The more you know it, the more you will love it; the more you try to understand it, the more deeply you will value it. Make no mistake; without Hinduism, India has no future. Hinduism is the soil into which India's roots are struck, and torn of that she will inevitably wither, as a tree torn out from its place. Many are the religions and many are the races flourishing in India, but none of them stretches back into the far dawn of her past, nor are they necessary for her endurance as a nation. Everyone might pass away as they came and India would still remain. But let Hinduism vanish and what is she? A geographical expression of the past, a dim memory of a perished glory, her literature, her art, her monuments, all have Hindudom written across them. And if Hindus do not maintain Hinduism, who shall save it? If India's own children do not cling to her faith, who shall guard it? India alone can save India, and India and Hinduism are one. --Annie Besant very good work mr Manish Pandit .the dogs will bark at sanatan dharma which is like the elephant.
Re: the glory of India & hinduism
by tajender on Aug 31, 2009 08:14 PM
how come there is no sign of sanskrit cow &horses in indus valley civilization. it means hind00s(vedics)came here like any other invaders.they destroyed indus valley civilization. cannot call themselves as oldest inhibitants of this soil.
Re: Re: the glory of India & hinduism
by K K on Aug 31, 2009 09:41 PM
tajender (Paki muslim):
Sanskrit was not always written because Vedic people has extraordinary memory and could remember everything they heard. So why would they want to write it down? People in those days had a sharp brain. That is why they spoke in Sanskrit, which is the most logical language in the world and also the most difficult. So lesser brainy people started using secondary languages. In this age of Kali, our brain power is limited. That is why everyone speaks simple languages and we we write down everything because we don't have the potential to remember. Some people don't even remember the names and ages of their kids. So times have changed and so has our lifestyle. We now write down everything such as, appointments, tasks, shopping list, etc.
Regarding signs, there are plenty of signs in the indus valley civilization indicating their origin as vedic people. Signs of Vishnu, Shiva, and sages have been discovered. Signs of cows and bulls are plenty.
Educate yourself and you will be able to elevate yourself from ignorance.
Re: Re: the glory of India & hinduism
by JGN on Aug 31, 2009 08:30 PM
Yes; the maurading tribes from Arabian deserts and Afghanistan were the original inhabiotants of this soil. Ok?
