Dr. Pandit, one minor disagreement. If Mahabharat war started in 3067 BC and Sage Vyasa has written Mahabharata as a witness, then writing or putting everything down to written medium must have existed in Bharat much before the advent of Alexander in 325BC.
Re: Writing since 325BC
by inder ratra on Sep 01, 2009 03:06 PM
yes what the problem here.and alexender was resisted here by highly organised armies having trained elephants.treaties were signed during that time and trade was carried out between greece and india.soldirers of alexende got scared of elephants in army and thus it was one of reason for his sudden retreat.
Re: Writing since 325BC
by PiratefrmSomalia on Sep 01, 2009 02:07 PM
Sage Vyasa did not write. He recited. Everything was in memory those times. Writing started much later.
Re: Writing since 325BC
by Aryan Singh on Sep 01, 2009 02:21 PM
Writing medium was the bark of the trees and animal skin in those days. Despite burning of Taxila and Nalanda universities by muslim rulers, there are still written scriptures before Alexander invaded. Also story telling generation to generation kept them alive.
Mrs. Romila Thapar is a Marxist historian, who works in ICHR (Indian Council of Historical Research), which is a government departmet running with taxpayers' money, who is entrusted with rewriting Indian history. She says Muslim rulers were the best rulers of India and Hindus were primitive people.
Re: Mrs. Romila Thapar
by mailerumsfield on Sep 01, 2009 02:52 PM
She says Muslim rulers were the best rulers of India and Hindus were primitive people.
SRIKANTH,
tell me name one road or building of public interest built by vedic aryan.through they were sucking the nl00d of society,becoming rich.as now.77 crores eat once in 2 days 21 crores dont know when they will eat again while temples have wealth running into 50000 crores.inspite of this pujar1s are stealing or mrtgaging gifts given by followers.
Re: Re: Mrs. Romila Thapar
by jai hind on Sep 01, 2009 03:57 PM
See a documentry on youtube "Story of India" you will know first metro cities were built by arians when people in europe were living in jungles
Re: Re: Re: Mrs. Romila Thapar
by tajender on Sep 06, 2009 01:26 AM
u are liar they were built by muslims.give me name or detailes of one city. before by budhdhist means destruction like now.
Re: Re: Mrs. Romila Thapar
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 04:32 PM
Yes; musliim rulers were best in ra*ping and converting other natives of India into their reliigion. The musliims in present day India, Pak and Bengla are living testimoney of that!!
Re: Mrs. Romila Thapar
by Srikanth on Sep 01, 2009 01:17 PM
Read the book, "Eminent Historians" by Arun Shourie (BJP MP) to know how our own historians are writing an anti-Hindu history. When BJP tried to correct the false history during 1998-2004, it was accused of saffronization.
Re: Re: Mrs. Romila Thapar
by mailerumsfield on Sep 01, 2009 02:54 PM
AROUN SHOURIE IS BRAHAMIN HINDOO nazi,he is not historian.he is politician.he will write all type of lies to suit his career. moreover he IS CIA agent in india.
Excellent work Mr.manish . We Indians need to prove our history not only to the world but our own fellow Indians who are brain washed by foreign religions.
I saw one mister Viveks comments on comparing Krishna with Jesus .He is perfect example of brain washed slave of whites . Vivek remember that all our ancestors faught agianst these christian atrocities against us the Indians. They treated us worse than dogs, slaves robbed our money . That is the reason we fought for the independence. The fact that you or your dad hugged their religion shows you dont have any self esteem of being Indian. You better get lost from India and take shelter at your foreign masters houses and sing their glory as their slave .
Why krishna kept 16000 wifes? What krishna had with those gopikas is divine love and not what you think as physical marital relation . read Bhagavath before you can comment on our sacred personalities . This is for all brain washed Indians not Vivek alone .
Re: Re: Excellent work against our religious and political hypoc
by narayan saipokuri on Sep 01, 2009 03:48 PM
With Radha, it was never the love that u are talking about. Its the divine attraction. Its like how jesus attracted men and women alike with his divine charm just being a son of god. Your minds are corrupted with what happens in your western society and cannt understand divine except sex.
Re: Re: Re: Excellent work against our religious and political h
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 04:24 PM
Mr. Narayan siapokuri, he is a paki musliim. No use reasoning with him. Fro him every thing began and ended with Aurangazeb.
Re: Re: Excellent work against our religious and political hypoc
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 03:45 PM
mailerumsfield, as per Hiindu mythology, Lord Krishan had 16008 wives; I do not know whether Dr. Zakir Naik has appropriated the balance for himself.
Poor Mohd could not reach any where near that figure!! He always got only "second hand" material, except for one child-bride.
Re: Excellent work against our religious and political hypocrite
by dil jo on Sep 01, 2009 02:01 PM
dun use the word christian,there are indian orthodox chr1st1an community in india much before the mugal and british rule and they adopt hindu1sm as their culture.visit LK AADVANIS web site.
Re: Excellent work against our religious and political hypocrite
by dil jo on Sep 01, 2009 02:00 PM
dun use the word christian,there are indian orthodox chr1st1an community in india much before the mugal and british rule and they adopt hindu1sm as their culture.visit LK AADVANIS web site.
Dear Sir, It is amazing that inspite of the fact that we were so deveolped at the time of Lord Krishna what exactly happened so that we lost our technology? Why we have to depend upon the western world and other countries?
Re: Why there could not be technological transfer to us?
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 01:00 PM
The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Musliim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hiindu society and culture with a Musliim culture. They tried to destroy Indian reliigions language, places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda and TAxshila were totally destroyed by Musliims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hiindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Musliims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hiindus to deliver India from Musliim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended to the Musliim domination of India.
Later the European colonizers looted our wealth and transferred to their Countries. They replaced our indigenous institutes of learning with English education specially designed for creating "Clerks" for them.
Re: Re: Why there could not be technological transfer to us?
by Srikanth on Sep 01, 2009 01:08 PM
That policy of Muslim rulers as well as Christian rulers is being continued today much more vigorously by Congress, Communists, DMK and other SECULAR parties of India.
Re: Re: Why there could not be technological transfer to us?
by mailerumsfield on Sep 01, 2009 03:07 PM
JGN U R LIAR FEW TEMPLE WITH extreme filthy wealth were robbed by foriegn invaders having muzlim faith,with the help of local competing brahamins.that venture they also robbed rich muzlims of delhi. mathura ayodhya kannauj all were built &became vibrant municipalities under muzlim rule. all 4 maths&chitrakoot temples were built on the order of aurangzeb. ur parivar has nothing except lie to spread.and steal wealth send to swiss bank.that is why chandraya disapeared after eating 25000 crores.atomic explosion there is doubt.weakness in construction is daily news.blood banks are supplying animal blood to patients.
Re: Re: Re: Why there could not be technological transfer to us?
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 03:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>blood banks are supplying animal blood to patients..... this is news to us all. If animal bl00d is a substitute for human-blood, then there should not be any shortage of bl00d in any Bl00d-bank!!! There are enough abotoirs of the local govts across the world and they should collect the same and send to the hospitals!!! Btw was that also an invention by a mentally deranged arab like he prescribed camel urine as a medicine?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why there could not be technological transfer to
by tajender on Sep 06, 2009 01:42 AM
In the 14th century, royal patronage to the Peetham began with the founding of the famous Vijayanagar empire under the divine guidance of the 12th Acharya, Jagadguru Sri Vidyaranya. The austerity of the Acharya influenced the rulers to such an extent that they began ruling in the name of the Acharya and granted the Peetham the rights over secular administration of the land. At the rulers' request, the Acharya began conducting a Durbar during the Navaratri festival - an occasion deemed by the rulers to honour their Guru. Subsequently, the Acharya came to be known as the Karnataka Simhasana Prathisthapanacharya and the Peetham became a mighty institution - a Samsthanam and is known to this day as the Jagadguru Shankaracharya Mahasamsthanam, Dakshinamnaya Sri Sharada Peetham at Sringeri. Over the succeeding centuries, a number of empires and rulers including the Mysore Maharajahs including Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan, the Nizam of Hyderabad, the Peshwas and the Keladi rulers were drawn towards the Peetham and respected the Acharya as their Guru
Re: Re: Re: Why there could not be technological transfer to us?
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 04:26 PM
>>>>>>all 4 maths&chitrakoot temples were built on the order of aurangzeb.......... do you know who established those four maths? It was established by Adi Shankara who lived between 788 CE - 820 CE ... that almost 800 years before the birth of Aurangazeb .... don't tell others that every thing in India began and ended with Aurangazeb.
If we were so developed in those days of Ramayana, mahabharata, why are we so backward at this very juncture? our Technological advances, especially "Astras" or we can compare them with missiles, why we have to take the technology from other countries? What happened to our advances? This question always bothers me!! Dr Lele Karad India.
Re: Why it is so?
by PiratefrmSomalia on Sep 01, 2009 02:11 PM
You brahmins were so advanced years ago. Why are you wallowing in poverty and doing nonbrahimin silly work and activities now? Where did all that advancement go? Same logic you apply to your question and stop asking silly questions.
Re: Why it is so?
by Guest on Sep 01, 2009 04:57 PM
Dear Rajan,
Some attribute this to the peace mantra india and the whole subcontinent embraced during 200BC-550AD timeframe. A lot of things changed in India after King Asoka became a peace lover. The peaceful state deviated the terrirory from being prepared for wars or envading other states. This may have paved the way to give-in to foreign invaders who later destroyed much of its oriental wisdom and also adultrated the never-recorded history to permanently poison the large mass of vulnerable.
We cant complain that being peaceful was the mistake. Gandhi followed the same path and also successfully brought freedom to India. Instead of worrying why we are in this state, it is time to recognize that we have the potential to regain the leadership position and lead the world again. While it is true that we are buying missiles from other countries, it is also true that we made many miracles in technology space. We made the cheapest satellites. We built our own nuclear missiles even though we dint sell to others like the countries who treat this a line of business.
May be it is just a time to firm up ourselves on what we are and what we are capable of. Proving to the whole world can practically happen post that.
Re: Why it is so?
by Aryan Singh on Sep 01, 2009 02:25 PM
The astra/Shastra they way they are described is basically poetry and can be interpreted to any extent. The agni astra could be just one arrow with fire on it. The flying planes could be just big flying animal driven carts. Only few elite had the flying vehicle. Earth had so many different kind of species and hinduism goes back to the times when such animals existed.
Re: Why it is so?
by hiral joshi on Sep 01, 2009 12:24 PM
This is what happens when you undergo for thousands of years of slavery and specially when you loose the strings with your roots.
Do we require any scientific result to prove tha Lord is existed ? He is only the supreme personality, supreme enjoyer, supreme friend, Reservoir of pleasure, taste in water, Swami of Laxmi, Air is controlled by him and like wise he is controling thousands and millions of planets. All the devatas like Brahmaji, Shivji(Special Vaishnav,very very dear to God), Indra dev, Varun Dev, surya dev, Durga mata, Kali mata like 33 billion devi devtas are the ministers of Lord. They have got some duties to performs as they are dear to Lord. He is available in all natural and artificial items. You should have trust, confidence, Love towards him. Bolo Krishna Bhagwan ki jay.
How is science sure about existance of Jesus, Mohammed and other historical religious figures? Is there any scientifically prescribed and recommended methodology to prove that?
Re: Re: Proving existence- a difficult task
by hiral joshi on Sep 01, 2009 12:08 PM
what do you mean by everything? Are their photographs available? And what is your criteria of old and New?
Re: Re: Re: Proving existence- a difficult task
by JGN on Sep 01, 2009 12:53 PM
hiral joshi, no use arguing with Indian musliims and Christiians. So far as they are concerned, even the Indian sub-continent did not exist before the arrival of the 1slamic invaders and European colonizers. These poor guys are suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome".
Is there any scientific proof that all these gods and relegions existed????? i jus wanna know if i live a good life like helping and loving others and with clean habits why should i worship someone and pray for forgiveness ?after all i know a sin is a sin from these sriptures rt?well millions are dying each day due to riot,war and people are suffering and whre are the gods hiding?
This can only happen in India. In the name of computer simulation, a moron comes with a theory, and the rest of the ilk, get emotional and take sides. About Rama its a difficult proposition because it's in Treta period, very difficult for science to penetrate-my foot. The idiot does not explain his methodology, nothing about validity or generalizability is given, but a blanket claim on science based on his job description is made.How long; wake up you uncritical literates.
Re: Only in India
by kartik swaminathan on Sep 01, 2009 12:27 PM
How many of scientific theories have been proved beyond doubt? Have black holes been proved ? Origin of Galaxy ? How life resides in one's body? None of the above have been seen or proved practically beyond doubt in Lab conditions. Everyone of them have been visualised after seeing certain repeated occurances. Everyone of the above are still remaining as theories which some moron thought of. There are matters of faith in science and there is scientific logic in religion. Just becos we do not understand does not mean that it is rubbish.
Re: Re: Only in India
by easwarchand vidyasagar on Sep 01, 2009 08:57 PM
Dear Karthik the contention is not about proving anything beyond doubt-absolute certainty is a mirage. The point is about method, can a person following Achar's method get similar results, which is generalizability. History is verified through triangulation. Any event of history as a standard had to be confirmed by independent sources, which in most case is written works. I agree with you about the philosophy science, it has its own rhetoric to gain credibility. My problem with this idiot is he rides on the credibility of science, in what is actually a academic quackery. The quality of simulation, algorithm in any computer is completly depends on the quality of data fed into the machine. This fellow offers no details, but brazenly makes broad claims. Add to this an amateur with a camera, trying to fan the fallacy all over. But the greatest pain I have of all this is sensible people like you get emotional, defensive all the more overlooking the fraudster in a academician's garb.
