Indian was naively wishful, expecting China to be a good neighbour. This utopian optimism brutally ended in the 1962 attack on India, leading to disillusionment and disgust. While China is very strong, it's strength is basically exo-skeletal, and lacks much internal structure, unity and grassroots integrity. India on the other hand has unity in the face of diversity and extreme dissent, meaning it's strength is deeply fundamental, and therefore superior, because the citizen is more patriotic than his leaders. No matter the disinformation spread by Pak and China, there nationalism is only at governmental levels, with extreme civilian disloyalty. To make a long story short, India can effectively rupture the China-balloon, whereas China can never break the dynamic Indian-matrix.
Re: India over-optimistic about China, but it's not over yet.
by Loan Shark on Aug 25, 2009 03:29 AM
that was then ... India was just out of british rule and not strong at all ... things are different now and china does not have a lot of friends in the western world either ... conflicts can happen, but wont be totally one-sided anymore
To counter China threat, we have to perceive China as a real threat. During Nehru's time we shouted "Indi-Chini Bhai Bhai" without knowing Chinese mind! and we received deep back stab wound! Today, we do not find China again as a real threat! We think Pak is the greater threat and China is not a threat! We make mistake again!
We should not try to make China happy repeating "China is not India's enemy"! Instead, we should go for a military cooperation with Vietnam, Japan, Thailand and the US Russia. We should then emerge as a real threat to China and talk from a stand of confidence. Just because we do not have a matching military budget and infrastructure, we should sit in a corner and live in DENIAL!
Every opportunity should be utilized against China in the coming years! Our Eastern borders should be fortified and nuclear devices should be kept ready against Chinese targets without any fear. Our political leaders should stop lip services and become Chinese agents in India! Chinese agents "Cummies" should be banned in India in the first place!
Re: India's strategy needs to be modified
by arun tk on Aug 25, 2009 05:12 AM
The Communist party is the first organization to be banned in India. They are the ones solely responsible for Indians uniting and economically progressing. They want to see eternal poverty in India so that they can always cling to power. They foolishly support theories (like aryan-invasion theory now proved as a myth)that takes away pride in Indians and feel inferior and shattered. I am not a congress or BJP supporter, but an ordinary person living in the communist ruled state of Kerala.
Re: Re: India's strategy needs to be modified
by arun tk on Aug 25, 2009 05:14 AM
A typographical error: communists are solely responsible for Indians loosing their sense of unity and preventing them from economically progressing
It is incredible that there are so many people like Mr.Akbar that are itching and always ready to blame Jawaharlal Nehru, possibly the only secular minded politician that the Indian public have romanticized and publicized. It is especially true in the case of the war of 1962.
What these people deliberately fail to mention is that at the very same time that a fledgling democracy was going about trying to eradicate hunger and poverty, assimilate its various cultures and languages and its many issues notwithstanding the royal pain in the necks, this nation at that time was non-aligned and had significant support from all corners of the world. That its military was not prepared for a war with China is true but what led to the defeat is not Nehru or his unpreparedness but the fact that Nehru's idealism was shadowed by a possible threat of nuclear war between what was then India's closest ally, Russia and the US, which was aligned with India based on democratic values.
That the Chinese took advantage of the unpreparedness of the Indian military is unquestionably true but without the opportune Cuban missile crisis, even in such an unprepared military state, there was no way China could have even dreamed of, let alone dared to attack India.
To assume that China can repeat its stunt is unreasonable today. To believe that India is also NOT writing papers to break China up into a hundred states is perhaps ignorance since we have been smarter about it than to tell Mr.Akbar.
i am surprised that in the pakistani blog called 'rupee news'' they were continuosly writing about the chinese presence in the indian ocean and the indians were denying it,now it seems true , i even argued with this blog writer called Moin Ansari,but now i will have to swallow my words.
i am surprised that in the pakistani blog called 'rupee news'' they were continuosly writing about the chinese presence in the indian ocean and the indians were denying it,now it seems true , i even argued with this blog writer called Moin Ansari,but now i will have to swallow my words.
Re: pakistani blogs
by Jay on Aug 25, 2009 05:26 AM
Amit,
China has heavly invested in Baluchistan(Pakistan) and Srilanka. These two countries have allowed Chinese to build Naval bases and therefore mark chinese presence in Indian ocean. Unfortunately or China both investments turned out to be duds. so you don't have to swallow any thing.
It is obvious that China indeed is far more powerful nation and richest nation on this earth now. But Chinese do not have much war experience as much we have. If we are united and stand together; there is not anything on this earth we cannot achieve.....China knows it and that is why it always tries to destabilize India and empower our other enemies.....
Re: Unity is the Answer
by righty rightwinger on Aug 25, 2009 02:50 AM
pls tell me how u can say that the chinese dont have war experience as much as we do???
Re: Unity is the Answer
by Giridharan Velamore on Aug 25, 2009 03:08 AM
Dear friend, Don't you remember our setback in 1962? I don't foresee an outright war between the two countries simply because both are nuclear armed and capable of MAD. Both are geographically too close for comfort so the human cost for both is too big. But China is definitely a tad stronger than us. Their biggest weakness is themselves - their lack of political freedom. And ours - well, u know it.
It is true that China will pulverise us if they attack us. We have spent so much of our resources on Porkland that we have forgotten that the bigger enemy is chapta land. I hope that there's no war with China coz we will suffer because of it.
Re: China
by Giridharan Velamore on Aug 25, 2009 03:32 AM
Sorry Mr. Rightwinger. I don't think China can pulverize India. Your assessment seems to be too high of Chinese military position and too low of our military position. China is militarily superior to India but not too much. And the fact that the two countries are geographically too close to each other is a disincentive to any aggressive action on either sides. Also both nations are progressing economically very well, which is another deterrent to military actions. We have to improve our military position but ultimately try to achieve win-win situation, diplomatically. What are the contours of the win-win situation is firstly to be internally debated and then externally handled. It is politcally and diplomitically quite complex but that is the only way to deal with the situation.
