Whosoever has told Bush about religious freedom are those funding these missionaries in India. So Bush advisors. Kepp your Bledi mouth Shut. Bledi Americans
. The Roman Catholic Pope, when he visited India had bluntly told his audience in Hindu-dominated India that his mission is to convert people to Christianity (Roman Catholic version, of course). Are these religions or theories of fascism.
Re: Re: Mnawoman discuss this with Bush
by Sunil on Sep 23, 2008 10:07 AM
You uneducated idiots dont understand English. He never said 'convert' but said about 'preaching the Gospel of Christ' which is a basic fundamental right. No one is born with a permamnent religion. People are free to chose their religious, political, economic etc views. Lay off. Conversion is a choice and let people exercise it. If you feel so insecure who is stopping you from propagating your religion too. In fact when you do it in the WEst and get converts you are happy? Aren't you? So stop this hypocrisy. You people tried telling majority of your masses years ago that a cobbler's son can only be a cobbler and nothing else. That myth has been dispelled. This is another myth that religion is permanent. People cannot chose their parents but they surely can chose their Faith. Jai Hind
Re: Mnawoman discuss this with Bush
by Ram Sharma on Sep 23, 2008 10:20 AM
Except u all others r 'uneducated idots'. That is what missionaries teach u, that all non Christians r idiot, only Christianity is the true religion. What is the meaning of strictly and blindly following a book written thousands of yrs ago, when scientific knowledge was poor.
Church had laughed at, taunted and jailed Galeleo for saying that earth was round.
B rational. Don't spread superstition just for the sake of foreign money.
Re: Mnawoman discuss this with Bush
by SS on Sep 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Is It?? What will the Priviliges that will be converted? Will they Get US Citizenship??
Does he have the guts to make a speech like that in any muslim Dominated Country??
Bush will discuss Religion freedom in India which is our internal matter, but our Prime Minister will not discuss recent murders of Indian students in that country. Congress has made the country disgraceful.
sanctions in every possible way is a must , the BJP is trying to improve the number of people in poverty from 700 million to 1 billion, radical hindu groups should be banned and assets freezed.
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by Neel on Sep 23, 2008 10:16 AM
what about PDP ? mehbooba mufti should also be banned then .. she stopped land transfer for hindus
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by satish kudtarkar on Sep 23, 2008 09:56 AM
The Roman Catholic Pope, when he visited India had bluntly told his audience in Hindu-dominated India that his mission is to convert people to Christianity (Roman Catholic version, of course).
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 10:10 AM
Well, for the Christians, it isnt about conversions....its about charity...an example shown to us by Mother Theresa. But Hindus, who can only amass wealth and couldnt care less about charity to their own bretheren, will naturally lose all credibility in front of their own felllowmen. Thus the conversions. If you were hungry, shelterless, poor ...wouldnt you be drawn more to Christian charity rather than the wasteful excesses Hindus seem to love while indulging in their 'religion'??
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by galilio on Sep 23, 2008 01:46 PM
Mother Therasa,read article written by sister Nirmala who was closer to Terasa who had pumped huge funds to her secret bank account in america and once converted,all those people including patients were not given any proper place to live and not provided with blankets during chill weather.Italian sonia/george bush and pope made terasa as a good soul kindly read in internet about her.
Re: Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by Ram Sharma on Sep 23, 2008 10:24 AM
Yes, bb. Hindus r indulge in wasteful excesses. That is the reason per capita consumption of electricity, fuel, food etc is many times higher in USA than in India. Is now USA a Hindu majority country?
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 11:35 AM
Oh Shut up for heaven's sake! you are talking crap...dont know why am even wasting time replying to you
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by Ram Sharma on Sep 23, 2008 10:50 AM
dear bb. U probably don't know that the per capita consumption of these items in USA is many times more than even in Europe. This is definitely wasteful.
Re: Re: Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 10:41 AM
And please dont compare the US to India....they are far far ahead of us...and we couldnt compare with them...and your example sucks btw, get a better one..do..
Re: Re: Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by Ram Sharma on Sep 23, 2008 11:06 AM
dear bb. It is not comparing USA and India. It is about wasteful use of earth's resources by the developed world, which has caused global warming.
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 10:40 AM
well ram sharma...electricity, fuel and food are necessities...and many of your so called fellowmen are doing without any of it...but then, what would you call Durga puja and God only knows what all the other festivals you ppl celebrate??? Well, i call it WASTE!!! Thats it!
Re: sanctions is the best way..........
by Ram Sharma on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 AM
Yes, Black, only minorities matter and Hindu organisations need to b banned. U r a great and very secular person.
Unfortunately a DEMOCRATIC SECULAR INDIA has it's own enemies within itself.... RELIGIONS. But for the religions, India would have become a true example of a beautiful country on this secular planet ( by it's natural boons ).
See what harm it does to be at each others throats just establish that each others religion is better than others.
A pitiable human psychological handicap !!!
Loving one's own religion is good but that love should not create hatred for other's religion.
Any religion that encourages hatred for other religions is not a useful and a true religion....'cause RELIGION is an external appearance of a true internal individual. Same is the case with LAW . A law that can not help for the welfare of Humanity is wasteful component in a human society !!!
A true internal individual who loves all the creation is a true human....and a true human has no RELIGION....because RELIGION DEVIDES EVEN THE SAME BLOOD IN A FAMILY, SOCIETY, STATE, COUNTRY AND WORLD.
TO HELL WITH RELIGION....LONG LIVE HUMANITY.....THE HUMANIST RELIGION.
IT IS FOOLISH TO FIGHT FOR EXTERNAL RELIGION AND KILL EACH OTHER.....REALLY EXTREMELY FOOLISH !!! .....NO PRIDE !!!
Re: RELIGIONS... REAL .ENEMIES OF INDIA !!!
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 10:12 AM
Agree with you. Where has religious tolerance disappeared? We live in a land of savages.
Re: RELIGIONS... REAL .ENEMIES OF INDIA !!!
by GRJ on Sep 23, 2008 02:05 PM
bb,
If the religious tolerance has to be practized they have to alter their superiority complexes and humble themselves and share their riches with poorer, inferior people of their own country men or blood brothers.
They will even kill their own off-spring if they take to another faith, or religion.
Re: Please respect Hindus sentiments and stop forced conversions
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 10:16 AM
Even if your assertion is true, even if conversions are on the rapid increase....why are 'mindless' Hindus converting?? Have you paused to think about that?? Let me know if you've found an answer.... And why do the extremists resort to violence? Is that what your religious scriptures have taught you?
Re: Please respect Hindus sentiments and stop forced conversions
by GRJ on Sep 23, 2008 02:07 PM
They know everything but externally like to keep the fire burning because they can not accept their own Indian inferior people according to their superiority complexes !!!
abhi bush humko sikhayega religious freedom.....once back i m sure u will see MMS in a 'Padri' attire....because he is secular.....wah wah wah re sucularism....
Re: wah wah
by truehindu on Sep 23, 2008 09:42 AM
dear hindu brothers and sisters IF WE WANT TO STOP CONVERSION PLEASE HANDLE IT WITH SOFT HAND PROOVE THT HINDUS RELIGION IS ALSO TEACHES PEACE LOVE DONT GO WITH VIOLENCE OR ATTACKING if they are attacked it will be as encouraging them and also IT DOES NOT MAKE THE SENSE THEN WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND MOGHULS OR MR BUSH
Re: wah wah
by satish kudtarkar on Sep 23, 2008 09:57 AM
The Roman Catholic Pope, when he visited India had bluntly told his audience in Hindu-dominated India that his mission is to convert people to Christianity (Roman Catholic version, of course).
Re: Re: wah wah
by bb on Sep 23, 2008 10:19 AM
exactly my friend..you have shown yourself to be truly secular. I wish your Hindu friends would take a page out from your book..
I am of the opinion that all of this ballyhoo about conversion is a bunch of crock. I am personally a Sikh. I do not agree with the fundamentalists of the RSS that Sikhs are merely a branch of the Hindu religion. I was educated in a missionary school. I imbibed their values but not their faith. Persons who convert are generally poor who find no succour in the religion that they are born into. If you can not provide for all of the poor persons of your religion and if you would rather suppress than help them what right do you have to hold them back from converting to another faith? Why did Bhim Rao Ambedkar convert to Budhism?
Re: Discuss religious freedom with Dr Singh, Bush told
by GRJ on Sep 23, 2008 02:00 PM
Nirpinder Singhji,
you are great, u accept the truthfulness of better life. Thussi great ho !!!
Hope every body realises that good civilization need not be throughreligious conversions. And mind converting is better humanity. This is what is done by those indians who feel like changing towards better standards. May Christianity, Islam, Budhism etc., Don't cry like crocodiles when u can not help your own Indians.
Change for the better, my dear Indians ! Learn from Nirpinder Singhji Sardar.
Convert or dont convert.....try to know the difference in real human values.
Re: Discuss religious freedom with Dr Singh, Bush told
by rahul on Sep 23, 2008 09:41 AM
Well the fight is not about conversion but forced conversions ?
Is forcing someone to convert on gun-point right ?
Is kidnapping someone's child and then converting them to another religion right ?
Is giving money to someone for converting to another religion right ?
Then why do you think coax poor people to convert in the name to service for poor is right ? If christians are so worried about poverty (am not saying that indians are very happy about it but there is always problems in every country) then why do they restrict themselves to service. Why tell poor people that they can only avail there help (read money) if they change there religion.
Re: Re: Re: Discuss religious freedom with Dr Singh, Bush told
by GRJ on Sep 23, 2008 01:46 PM
Are we so rich to fund US ???
They are worlds No.1 entrepreuners and generators of money from all over the world. They won't be so foolish to waste their money on Indians as we are financially poor but mentally superiority complexed.
Re: Discuss religious freedom with Dr Singh, Bush told
by GRJ on Sep 23, 2008 01:42 PM
Why are Hindus getting converted //// what are we doing before it happens????? why are we making so much noise after they are converted ????
Why are we not contributing what converters are doing.???? We have failed to protect our poor and downtrodden hindus and are shedding crocodile tears when they are converted.
Rest of the so called protectors of Hindu Dharma have to change to stop this kind of conversions due to our own neglect and superiority complexec.
After sometime even rich and educated hindus will also get converted if we dont improve our own moral standards.
Re: Re: Discuss religious freedom with Dr Singh, Bush told
by GRJ on Sep 23, 2008 01:53 PM
Does it mean, Mc Donalds, KFC., Jeans, T shirts, Shoes, watches , even underwear from US and Europe are raping the Indian culture and civilization.
Which is prmitive even today. Killing girl child, widow exploitation ( Killing ) not allowing drinking water, no temple entry .....what is our civilization changing into ??? futuristic or primitive ???
Even African countries seem to be happy with the change from the primitive to the present.
Why are we Indians complaining after changing.
We have to accept changes if they are bringing better living conditions to all sections of Indians.
By opposing the change, we are trying to take back India to the primitive days.
Re: Discuss religious freedom with Dr Singh, Bush told
by rani suri on Sep 23, 2008 09:46 AM
I will tell you why sikhs are considered as brother of hindus. Durng the muslim invasions thru punjab and kashmir, Punjabi hindus gave their first born son to be baptised as sikhs and to join the Gurus in their fight against atrocities.
When Khalistani terrorists were gunning down RSS workers, pulling out hindus from buses and shooting them dead, I went to the RSS office in Delhi. I asked them why are you not retaliating? The RSS workers told me that sikhs are our brothers and WE WILL NOT attack them in return.
