Hindus cannot be in terrorism, by definition...what do Hindus have to blow up people for?? they dont want to establish some shairiat shit in the world??? they dont think in religious supremacy..ONLY Islam and Christianity does...Christians of course are civilized and have other methods of imperialism, but Islamists are desert folk and cruelly fanatic. If Hindus get into action groups to protect themselves how can you call them terror??? India was made open to everyone after 1947 although Muslims broke it up...Pakistan threw out all Hindus/Sikhs from there and committed a GENOCIDE in E Pakistan.... how dare Sheela uses the word terrorist in reference to Hindus???
Re: Re: What Hindu org?
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 11:54 PM
The problem here is you have very short memory. How do you explain what happened in Gujrat. It is mass massacre. Hindus are yes very peaceful people, but not VHP , Shivsena and BJP and radical parties. They use the illetrate people to commit communal violdence. Putting bomb is not the only form of terrorism. Torching people, knifing people is also terrorism. Lets not defend for the sake of defending religion.
Lets think out of the box, lets think why do we need these radical parties (VHP, Shivsena, and SIMI etc). Lets get rid of these parties and communicate in a civilised way to sort any differences.
It appears in a 85% majority Hindu country people don't have faith in Police, law and parliment, so now you think VHP, and BJP is going to fight for your rights. It is a joke.
Re: What Hindu org?
by conras on Sep 20, 2008 07:13 PM
bajrang Dal is not even good at reconversion. They only know to use force. They should be arrested under anti conversion law as they are forcibly reconverting people
Re: What Hindu org?
by sameer deb on Sep 20, 2008 07:25 PM
i think his as well as mine accusation is : 1) a bunch of people who happen to be muslims are killing of innocent people mercilessly in the name of Islam 2) the rest of the muslim community are virtually not doing anything on their part apart from constantly blaming some so called disparities,neglect which are common among so many other sections and are due to mainly economical problems, not conscious discrimination.
Re: Re: What Hindu org?
by RAKESH JOSHI on Sep 20, 2008 08:44 PM
If muslim or others had marched during train incident or if there is war on afghanistan or any muslim in world is harressed by America there is protest in india but not same and ist do the blast by any muslim then how do you expect it from hindus every one remember riots but not train incident people died in that where not pepople and false report say the fire was from inside then I will like to ask one question when there was fire was inside and train was on station then how did so many people died as every fire start from small one supose it started at one door the there was escape in next one same thing was asked to committeee of laloo who prepared the false report and that report was thrown in dust bin by supreme court has any nwes channel make that as an issue and alway say laloo had make indian railways profit then why does this issue was not highlight
Re: What Hindu org?
by Arif Ahmed on Sep 20, 2008 07:31 PM
Says who? Just because your govt chooses to implicate muslims in false charges it does not make them guilty. How many hindus marched on the streets of India when thousands were butched in Gujarat ? None. How many hindus have marched on the streets of India to protest against the killings of christians ? None Are they not citizens of India ? A hindu is as guilty as a muslim or a christian for putting religion ahead of nation. And here we are discussing politics not religion. I am not a citizen of your country so I do not want to comment much in the internal matters of your country, I can however try to answer your questions on Islam if you have any.
Re: What Hindu org?
by azaad on Sep 20, 2008 08:36 PM
good,it's nobody's case to blame hindus for not marching to protest anything in favour of other communities...the points raised by u can be counted in fingertips...the genocides commited muslims in the name of islam on hindus since thousand years and more is horrible to say least...besides every muslim proclaims that there religion teaches peace...fair enough that's the leteral meaning...but are the followers adhering to is being preached
Re: What Hindu org?
by Rupakshi on Sep 20, 2008 09:56 PM
They did not march against the massacre of the Pandits in Kashmir and elimination of Hindus in Pakistan which their ancestral place of living for over 10000 years! it is not because they do not feel for the loss of life of innocent victims. No comaprision to Islamic passion for religion. I want to see a gandhi in Muslims. Christians have a Jesus who preached kindness and peace. Try to be like Christ,we will revere you too.
Re: What Hindu org?
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:19 AM
If they take the lives of innocents, they are terrorists, regardless of what religion they belong to. If sheela used the word to describe people who were making bombs to use on innocents, she is right to do so. I have some respect for the RSS because their cadres at least help people in time of need such as the Bhuj earthquake. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal are nothing more than a mob of bloodthirsty dogs who need an excuse to loot and pillage and rape. None of them are seen during a calamity when people need help. None of them fight in the frontlines with Pakistan. They'd probably wet their pants if a bullet went too close. Some of you will say that Al-quaeda do the same. So what are we trying to prove? Which religion produces the best killers? Wake up, we are tearing India apart with this and she is greater than any religion. All these religions shelter in India not the other way around.
Re: What Hindu org?
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:22 AM
If they take the lives of innocents, they are terrorists, regardless of what religion they belong to. If sheela used the word to describe people who were making bombs to use on innocents, she is right to do so. I have some respect for the RSS because their cadres at least help people in time of need such as the Bhuj earthquake. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal are nothing more than a mob of bloodthirsty dogs who need an excuse to loot and pillage and rape. None of them are seen during a calamity when people need help. None of them fight in the frontlines with Pakistan. They'd probably wet their pants if a bullet went too close. Some of you will say that Al-quaeda do the same. So what are we trying to prove? Which religion produces the best killers? Wake up, we are tearing India apart with this and she is greater than any religion. All these religions shelter in India not the other way around.
Re: What Hindu org?
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:19 AM
If they take the lives of innocents, they are terrorists, regardless of what religion they belong to. If sheela used the word to describe people who were making bombs to use on innocents, she is right to do so. I have some respect for the RSS because their cadres at least help people in time of need such as the Bhuj earthquake. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal are nothing more than a mob of bloodthirsty dogs who need an excuse to loot and pillage and rape. None of them are seen during a calamity when people need help. None of them fight in the frontlines with Pakistan. They'd probably wet their pants if a bullet went too close. Some of you will say that Al-quaeda do the same. So what are we trying to prove? Which religion produces the best killers? Wake up, we are tearing India apart with this and she is greater than any religion. All these religions shelter in India not the other way around.
Re: What Hindu org?
by h. pinto on Sep 20, 2008 06:42 PM
All those who love God and fight for him, please give a helping hand to god's children and your brethren in Orissa. Thousands are suffering due to floods. God bless you
Re: What Hindu org?
by KamalKumar on Sep 20, 2008 10:16 PM
I completely agree with Deepak. While christians have an agenda of converting people all over the world, they target especially the poor and the downtrodden because they can be manipulated easily, the muslims go by the shariat (what is said here is known to everyone so I amnot discussig it here). The Bajrang Dal does not tolerate religious conversion, the RSS are no doubt patriotic people; they go all out to help in terms of need - especially floods and natural disaster. Can any Muslim group claims to have done so ? I do aggree that Bajrang dal gets aggressive, they need to remain so as to check the conversion that Christians indulge in.
Re: What Hindu org?
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:33 PM
How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs?
This explains that hindu terrorists are active in india too.Ban these outfits along with other terrorist outfits.
Re: Re: What Hindu org?
by KamalKumar on Sep 20, 2008 10:24 PM
The RSS activists allegedly died while making bombs is a news I read in media. Where are the details of this? The English media (mostly run by Christians) is particularly against Hindu organisations. Have they ever written an news item on Christian's coversion. Even Gandhiji has commented strongly against conversion. We workship him while making reference to the values that he lived for, we conveniently forgot what he said about conversions
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 05:58 PM
What about camel urine? Is it better than cow's? I am just curious to know.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by Arif Ahmed on Sep 20, 2008 06:02 PM
JGN, just ignore him, I wonder why rediff does not ban such fools. So what was your last question ?
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 06:15 PM
Hi Arif, I don't think we should waste our time disucssing the religious scriptures. In any case you cannot make me believe in any god. I have also given up on you. Still I would request you to pl read some science journals and articles of Mr. Irfan Husain in The Dawn. All the best.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by Arif Ahmed on Sep 20, 2008 06:25 PM
Well it is upto you. I will try to answer your questions if you ask. No I do not want you to believe in any God. Absolutely Not. If God has given the power to humans to even reject God then there can absolutely be no compulsion in belief. 17:84 Say: "Everyone acts according to his own disposition: But your Lord knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way."
Re: Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by deepak on Sep 20, 2008 06:39 PM
Dont reject God..just reject the dangerous cult of Islam, which is simple chaos and endorses killing and murder of non Muslims. I will debate Arif any day provided he promises to leave Islam publicly when he loses.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 06:35 PM
My Arif Ahmed, I do not know what impression you or other muslims/christians have about me. I really do not have any hatred for the followers of any religion. Atheists like me are against blind faith and superstitions only. Belief in some god is like a crutch for the believers. A person who can walk without crutches have no use of the. I am leaving now. Will continue another day. All the best.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by deepak on Sep 20, 2008 06:37 PM
Hinduism is the most beautiful religion..Islam is the bad one, and not even a religion but a dangerous cult which has aptly been called Islamofascism. Leaving Islam is the duty of every right thinking Muslim.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by Arif Ahmed on Sep 20, 2008 06:46 PM
Sure but lets first check your accusation.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by shaker on Sep 20, 2008 11:34 PM
Arif how shameless you are man.
Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by Hemanti Shenoy on Sep 20, 2008 06:09 PM
you drink human blood!SAVAGES!
Re: Re: What a religion drinking cows urine,worshipping prostitutes,small animals u r good PETA
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:44 AM
Mohammed, I am not going to get personal about religion because a thousand generations have fought and died in its name. You want to know the intelligent contribution of our religion? We gave the world its first number system, its fundamentals of maths and calculus. We wrote treatises on statecraft, medicine, geography, language, music, metallurgy, poetry and architecture when the egyptians were still experimenting with writing. Our sages wrote the first beginnings of programming theory that is in use today. These are in our holy books, the Vedas. I am not going to descend to your level and make fun of what is written in the Qu'ran and believe me, it would be very easy to do so. Unlike you, I respect Islam as another religion which provdes another look at the same truth. If not for Islam, the truth about Indian science might have been lost forever with the Greeks and the Romans. It was the Arabs who carried that truth to Europe. And they [Arabs] revered India as a portal of learning. Something which the Europeans who colonized India later had a great deal of trouble adjusting to; that Indian science might have laid the foundations and even contributed heavily to Western science. Try to remember that.
Re: Want the list!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:33 PM
I told you if you are majority you need to be involved in blast, but hindu radical orgs are involved in mass massacre, and torching people alive. Accept the fact.
Re: Re: Want the list!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:36 PM
I meant if you are majority you don't have to be involved in blast, but hindu radical orgs are involved in mass massacre, and torching people alive. Accept the fact.
Re: Want the list!
by Rakesh Joshi on Sep 20, 2008 08:47 PM
yes but only of peole like you as to evry action (Train incident) there is equal and opposite reaction
Re: Want the list!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:24 AM
I am not using Hindu name idiot, I am using Christian name. Whether it is Christian name or muslim name, it is not going to make any difference for you
Re: Want the list!
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:37 PM
How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs? My straight question: do you think there are Hindu organisations capable of setting off bomb blasts within the country?
In Mumbai two-three Hindus did plant a bomb, the Shiv Sena chief had given some statement also. The damage was not much. But, there are not many cases.
There are cases of sectarian violence, for example the recent cases in Orissa and Karnataka. The central government has told them to take strict action against such organisations
Re: Want the list!
by Golden on Sep 20, 2008 05:35 PM
almost all....they only hide themselves and blame innocent muslims and then kill innocent muslims in fake encounter.....thanks for asking by the way.
Re: Want the list!
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:47 AM
A muslim child is a savage human blood thirsty terrorist? A woman who gets raped is also a savage human blood thirsty terrorist?
Re: Re: Want the list!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:37 PM
I believe Indian muslims are moderate, but it is also painful to see some Muslim involved in anti-India things.
Re: Re: Re: Want the list!
by Golden on Sep 20, 2008 05:41 PM
yeh. that pains to me also. but it becomes a very much painful when i find that almost all the muslims are abused for this and terrorists from other community are not only pardones rather they are made heros....
that increases the frustration and this injustice increases the vengience among minorities. sooner we understand better it is.
Re: Want the list!
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 06:14 PM
hmmm .. then you have a major problem as the entire world is doing it .. including the western media..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Want the list!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:27 AM
Buddy it must be painful to be a muslim bcoz of all the happenings. But vengence and revenge must be God's not ours. We don't have to fight for God. God doesn't need any protection.
Re: Want the list!
by subbu on Sep 20, 2008 06:43 PM
oh. in fake encounter police also commits suicide? u mislim terrorists have a lot of lies in the tip of your tongue.
Re: Want the list!
by Rakesh Joshi on Sep 20, 2008 08:51 PM
very good if you go through any report the encounter was false but no body has also said the person who died was nice he was also a person who was carring out anti india activity
