Many guys happily changed the topic of my original message and now they are debating about religion instead of idiotic politician like Modi
Here is my original message again
"Hinduism is peaceful religion and Hindu's are peaceful people. but Radical Hindu Organisations are majority so they don't have to use bombs, they just massacre people in big numbers and they torch people alive.
Why the hell they need bomb to kill people when they can do it without it and because of the influence they can get away with it.
I thought Modi should be behind bars and he would have been hanged in any country where they practice law. But unfortunately he is still a CM, what a joke, and what a jerk he is. "
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by Golden on Sep 20, 2008 05:43 PM
paddduuuu please learn something before start speaking.....you knowledge is sub standard.
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by Hemanti Shenoy on Sep 20, 2008 06:23 PM
Your whole Kaum is delvelish,sub standard,sub human.You need to learn humanity.
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:38 PM
How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs? My straight question: do you think there are Hindu organisations capable of setting off bomb blasts within the country? In Mumbai two-three Hindus did plant a bomb, the Shiv Sena chief had given some statement also. The damage was not much. But, there are not many cases. There are cases of sectarian violence, for example the recent cases in Orissa and Karnataka. The central government has told them to take strict action against such organisations
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:24 PM
If I tell you the story that I know you are going to say No. So if you are interested you research for it.
My conversation is not about religion it is about stupid politician. You are dump, you can't understand my message properly
I can offend your religion as it has too many unexplained concepts, but as I said my conversation is not about religion. It is about politics and logic
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by Niladri Chakraborti on Sep 20, 2008 05:54 PM
don't talk rubbish! muslims are majority in pakistan or for that matter J&K. still they use bombs in those places. and don't you compare a Orissa 'massacre' with acts like attack on perliament. the later is a clear cut case of treason. u r asking for the head of Modi - but silent about Afjal Gurus or Gilanis - a double standard typical of your kind.
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by subbu on Sep 20, 2008 06:45 PM
yes yes. but america as a christian nation has legalized massacre of entire nations. how about that u christian thug
Re: to clarify here is My original message
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:32 AM
Yes George Bush is an idiot. I always said Christianism about following Jesus. Not calling myself Christian.
George is a criminal, criminals exist in all religion.
True Christian will love his neighbour as himself.
You can't equate Islamic terrorists or Jihadis with VHP, Bajrang Dal or RSS.The former are anti-Indian forces out to subvert the nation whereas the latter are nationalist bodies which were born as a REACTION to the appeasement policy of successive Indian governments for vote bank considerations.The Jihadis carry out attacks secretively like the cowards they are, killing innocents with whom they have no link or cause.The Hindu organisations carry on their agitations in an open manner within everybody's sight, shout pro-Hindu slogans & even wear saffron clothes or headgear to declare their identity.Everyone knows who they are and they are Indian who are convinced that they are patriots undertaking such activities as the official machinery has closed its eyes to the subversion of the country. But the Jihadis & and their sympathisers all operate surreptitiously and owe allegiance to our enemy countries like Pakistan.Those who are demanding that the Hindu bodies be treated at par with Jihadis are no different than those Indians & the British government who were actively against the heroes of our Independence movement like Netaji Subhas Bose,Bhagat Singh& Chanrashekhar Azad etc.It will be a sacrilege to equate those who are agitating for saving the country and its culture with those whose sole mission is to destroy them.The day the government starts to tackle the anti-national elements with an iron hand with sustained POLITICAL WILL the Pro-Hindu bodies will cease to exist.
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:40 PM
How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs? My straight question: do you think there are Hindu organisations capable of setting off bomb blasts within the country? In Mumbai two-three Hindus did plant a bomb, the Shiv Sena chief had given some statement also. The damage was not much. But, there are not many cases. There are cases of sectarian violence, for example the recent cases in Orissa and Karnataka. The central government has told them to take strict action against such organisations
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
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Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by ali shaikh on Sep 20, 2008 05:13 PM
THEY ARE DIFFERENT BCOS THEY ARE HINDUS?i know many hindus who with the help of politicians are doing things even terrorist dont dare to do???but it is HINDUSTAN(LAND OF HINDUS).thnx rediff to display maximum antimuslim message ?
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:29 PM
Yes you need a Hindu's protection body like VHP, ShivSena, in a country where they have 85% Hindus. This is bad vote politics.
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:53 AM
Godwin, its good to see one person who is sticking to the topic without digressing into something else.
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 05:23 PM
ali shaikh, such things happen in all societies. Religion or no religion, people will commit crimes. No religion has every stopped people from committing crimes.
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:35 PM
I completely agree with JGN, but common let us discourage radical political parties, like VHP, Shivsena and SIMI and anything else.
You can't equate Islamic terrorists or Jihadis with VHP, Bajrang Dal or RSS.The former are anti-Indian forces out to subvert the nation whereas the latter are nationalist bodies which were born as a REACTION to the appeasement policy of successive Indian governments for vote bank considerations.The Jihadis carry out attacks secretively like the cowards they are, killing innocents with whom they have no link or cause.The Hindu organisations carry on their agitations in an open manner within everybody's sight, shout pro-Hindu slogans & even wear saffron clothes or headgear to declare their identity.Everyone knows who they are and they are Indian who are convinced that they are patriots undertaking such activities as the official machinery has closed its eyes to the subversion of the country. But the Jihadis & and their sympathisers all operate surreptitiously and owe allegiance to our enemy countries like Pakistan.Those who are demanding that the Hindu bodies be treated at par with Jihadis are no different than those Indians & the British government who were actively against the heroes of our Independence movement like Netaji Subhas Bose,Bhagat Singh& Chanrashekhar Azad etc.It will be a sacrilege to equate those who are agitating for saving the country and its culture with those whose sole mission is to destroy them.The day the government starts to tackle the anti-national elements with an iron hand with sustained POLITICAL WILL the Pro-Hindu bodies will cease to exist.
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 05:31 PM
Nation will go bust when you have communal parties like VHP, Shivsena and SIMI
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Aditya on Sep 20, 2008 05:27 PM
Bajrang Dal is as much a terror organisation as simi. Giving nationalist overtones to murder and terror doenst make you less of a bigot or terrorist....
Re: THEY ARE AS DIFFERENT AS OIL AND WATER!
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:41 PM
How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs?
the recent developments are painfull events for our country. The above report adds to the pain when the question and answer dwell at this level How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs?
Don't ask me about specific cases. Ask me about policy matters.
such approach and statement gives bad name to investigation agencies.
Re: Baised report
by Ganesh on Sep 20, 2008 05:08 PM
While I do agree certain bad elements may be present in Hindus also, you cannot walk away from the fact that 99% of the terrorits are Muslims.
Re: Baised report
by Aditya on Sep 20, 2008 05:31 PM
I disagree with you Mohammen Murghe.. Because the Ministry which this person who is being interveiwed represents policy matters.. He cannot discuss single cases and someone of the caliber of Sheela Bhatt should have known that already and not asked it. If she wants answers she shouldve asked the investigating agency.... not the ministry
All those who love God and fight for him, please give a helping hand to god's children and your brethren in Orissa. Thousands are suffering due to floods. God bless you
You have claimed that you are a Christian. Are you telling that some god created a humanbeing called Adam and a wife for him from one of his rib? Then her sons did something to her and the whole world got populated!!!!!!!!
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by hari kumar on Sep 20, 2008 04:30 PM
Godwin Tenzing may be the grandson of Sherpa Tenzing Norgay.He should be climbing the Himalayas rather than penning messages in Rediff.
Re: Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 04:56 PM
Godwin Tenzing, you will not show your face again if I upload articles from Postive Atheism. There is no other book in the world that contains as much s-e-x- stories as does the Bible. Pl read again and understand for yourself.
Re: Re: Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:42 AM
Hmm Idiot I have read the bible, I know what it is . but you better read illiterate. I know about 5 men raping thropati and all those stories. I have a hindu background as well.
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:51 PM
lol, I don't think you can make a descent argument. Looks like you are loosing buddy, you lost your temper. I am a single person answering dozens of you guys, but you still can't stand. So you are going the abusive way. I am not going to go your way. bcoz there is a difference between you and me.
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by sivasubramanian on Sep 20, 2008 05:29 PM
The christian are well organised in Chennai and TN. Like SIMI were using kerala and Karnataka for preparing the war against the nation which they are doing now,Chirstian uses TN as their base to organise protest against incident in other states.If chiristain want to carryout any protest they have to go to Orissa or etc but not in TN soil.If they continue the incidents of Mangalore may be repeated at TN/TN ruler are blind folded all the times to this christian anti state acitivies But we cannot allow them to loot the TN coffer.
Re: Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:40 AM
What do you mean Christians are well organised. You are talking just rubbish and bull-shit. Christians don't believe in fighting back. If you throw bomb at us, we will take it, If you kill us, we will still take it. We don't fight back, the fight is God's not ours.
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 04:54 PM
What constitues a decent argument? When the Christians tell that "thou shall have no other god" or when the muslims shout through loud speakers five times a day that "there is no god but Allah and Muhammed was his last prophet" that is decent enough!!!!!!!!
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:36 AM
Yes "thou shall have no other god" this commandment is for believers (Christians). We believe it and we follow it.
You have 300 crore Gods, we didn't kill even a single God just bcoz our God gave us commandments.
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Devesh Bohre on Sep 20, 2008 05:05 PM
godwin...u said your jejus is god but he him self is saying he is son of god so who is god...???
Re: Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:46 AM
You don't have any clue and you guys criticise religion. Yes Jesus is Son of God. Son of God is God. the History of Son of God is 2000 years. The written history of God Jehovah is more than 6000 years approx.
Re: Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Hemanti Shenoy on Sep 20, 2008 05:02 PM
if u do not know the meaning of it just shut up.Draupadi is the jivatma married to the 5 senses and tortured by 100 desires(kauravas).Don't talk rubbish about divya janma draupadi.she was born out of a haven kund.
Re: Re: Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:47 AM
I don't have to know what Draupadi is, before abusing other religion think about holes in your religion
Re: @ Godwin Tenzing
by kenbee on Sep 20, 2008 04:23 PM
Purush and Prakriti works together for contuining the creation. It does not work in isolation. That may be the meaning.
Muslim ghettos like Jamia exists in every town and city in the country. These ghettos are a law unto themselves and the writ of the government does not apply to those people living there. The muslim ghettos are the fountain head of the anti-national and anti-social activities in the country. They provide safe and secure haven for the terrorists to plan and execute their evil designs.More over, these ghettos host notorious criminals indulging in smuggling,drug trafficing,video piracy etc ---.The residents of these localities who live by their our rules pilferage electricty and water without paying for the same. Income tax,sales tax,service tax laws does not apply to these people. Sucessive goverments have failed to take action against these people for fear of 'hurting' the sentiments of the minorities. The country will be safer and more prosperous if these ghettos are sanitised and stamped out.
I am not going to say he is the true God and she is true God. It is up to the individual to come to that conclusion.
But the first thing I learnt in Indian history is, the original Indians (Dravidan's) didn't have any God, they worshiped whatever they feared, mostly nature's fury such as fire, wind and so on.
Aryans they brought most of the religions from central asia, and they didn't offer the religion as it is, they mixed the whole religion concept that can sell to Dravidans.
To me Hinduism is not religion at all, it is a way of living. It is designed to teach moral and discipline and goodness.
It is not just hinduism where they worship many Gods. All religion and all countries in very very olden days they weren't mature to believe a single God. Thats because everyone created a God, based on what they feared and believed.
Unfortunately we are still in Olden days with so many Gods and so many superstitious. Anyway I don't believe in Gods which has family , grandson and grand daughter. I don't think even Hindu's are aware of the grandson and grand daughter links now. I am surprised they haven't filled the earth.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Pole Star on Sep 20, 2008 03:58 PM
OK ! You show me or prove the existance of your one god and I will prove the existance of all my gods!
Actually your are having a slave mentality. You belive whatever your masters say sitting in vatican or Mecca. Tell me actually which religion you belongs to and I will tell faliry tales of that religion.
Get life you slave! I know you can even sell our mather and sisters for a few rupees leave apart culture and religion
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:04 PM
Buddy I don't believe in Pope, I am not catholic. I believe only in the God that I believe, I take no instructions from human, including pastors or leaders.
Regaring proving one God, I am not here to prove anything or spread religion. I told you very clearly this in my original message "I am not going to say he is the true God and she is true God. It is up to the individual to come to that conclusion"
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Pole Star on Sep 20, 2008 04:11 PM
lol, you are hiding your religion that shows how much confident you are about its truth.
But if you belong to any of the religion that originated in india, i dont wont to have any argument as for me all those religions are equally respectable as hinduism.
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:20 PM
No buddy , I am not hiding my religion. My name is a christian name and real name. I am not really here to defend my religion. I believe in secularism. Everyone has their right to believe in what they want (Secularism).
I wrote my original message to criticise radical element like Modi. I will criticise Islam radical elements too. I don't think many Christian radical elements are concerning the world at the moment. If there are then I will criticise them too.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 03:59 PM
Godwin Tenzing, it seems that you are a Buddhist. Do you believe that Gautama the Buddha was born thru the navel coneption? Have you read the Jataka Tales about the earlier births of Buddha?
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:08 PM
I don't believe in budhism it is a human religion. My last name is Tenzing, but I am not nepalian, I am from chennai. I am christian buddy but I am not talking about christianity here. I am just talking about the Indian & world history I learnt.
I am not a historian, so I am claiming to be perfect in every point. The point is to think logically, ,rather than to follow the mob.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Sesh on Sep 20, 2008 04:18 PM
we are also talking about history... and its credibility in light of current information available...
if the mob were thinking logically, then your statement would contradict... dont come to conclusions... you presume (as evident from your statements) that the majority dont follow logic!!!
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:32 PM
If we followed, we wouldn't be superstitious, we would have killed our women after husband's death and so on. We are still learning you, which is undeinable true.
Literate people in India is only 40 to 50 %, there are still millions with caste system and all old crap.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:32 PM
I meant we wouldn't have killed our women after husband's death, sorry typo
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Hemanti Shenoy on Sep 20, 2008 04:51 PM
Iam a hindu and we have 36 crore gods.But I don't mind adding 1 more to it(Jesus).I believe in jesus.God is one undoubtedly,but he can come to the rescue of his devotee in any form the devotee wants.Its a simple logic,which need not be proved by any historian.pls stop criticising ur ancesterial religion.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Devesh Bohre on Sep 20, 2008 05:11 PM
COZ if husband got dead you peoplestart sleeping with the lady even if she wud be yor mom
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 06:43 PM
Inquistions. Burning of women for heresy. Mass murder of jews. Where did these wonderful practices stem from? Once Europe grew out of it they also grew out of christianity .. why? As for your question of burning of women after husbands death, do you even know that this practice was prompted by the tendency of foreign invaders to come after hindu women. Now don't tell me Alauddin Khilji and Rani Padmini story is false according to your beliefs and hence not debatable..
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:39 PM
Sesh, I believe in bible, but I don't use any bible terms as proof to prove my point. I am talking only history here.
What I believe in Bible is for me. I don't expect you to believe that or I am not willing to sell my story.
My original argument is about Modi, and you have to read my original message to understand that
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Sameer K on Sep 20, 2008 05:09 PM
I don't expect you to believe in bible>>> Can you tell same things to your evangelic missionaries who are doing forceful conversion? I saw logical answers from Pole-Star he stumped off you.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:54 AM
Buddy no one stumped me, the ratio here is 1:50. I am getting respone from 50 hindu's and I am one guy. And you guys are still shameless , you are being bowled by the facts.
I am not going to rewrite my statements, read via it.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Pole Star on Sep 20, 2008 04:14 PM
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Sufferi
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Pole Star on Sep 20, 2008 04:15 PM
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:36 PM
You are talking rubbish buddy, your points are based on your belief not mine.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by sivasubramanian on Sep 20, 2008 06:18 PM
Pole star well done! Godwin need to be sent to the pychotrist. He will never have reason? You look at the walss in TN some time earlier. All about anti hindu belief by christian.Hindus tolerated it as if god is there he will teach them the lesson. But what happen now also the become smaller and smaller just because of their evil thinking and heart ful of animosity. even on all these argument that idiot gentleman is on his own belief.And criticises hindus because he consider them as enemies eventhough they are looked after by hindus and crown with hindus wealth. Only their god has to show them the good will?
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:24 PM
Hello I didn't claim any of that in any of my replies. I believe in certain things and I have no concerns in that, so they are not debatable topics.
People who have concerns or doubts, they debate to find the best possible answer.
I don't have doubts in my belief, so I never raised any of that and I never defended my belief. Bcoz I don't have to, to me it makes sense.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Sesh on Sep 20, 2008 04:29 PM
and to others, their religion... what may be logical to you would be illogical to them.. and vice versa...
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:34 PM
Hello I didn't write any of that in any of my replies. I believe in certain things and I have no concerns in that, so they are not debatable topics.
People who have concerns or doubts, they debate to find the best possible answer.
I don't have doubts in my belief, so I never raised any of that and I never defended my belief. Bcoz I don't have to, to me it makes sense.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 06:33 PM
"I believe in certain things and I have no concerns in that, so they are not debatable topics."
They are not debatable topics according to you. It won't be wrong if others too have beliefs and hold it holy. Trouble breaks out when you start questioning other's beliefs without a proper knowledge. Please *don't* present your beliefs as facts.
"People who have concerns or doubts, they debate to find the best possible answer." The debate should be with an open mind. Ask yourself if you have it? You have conveniently overlooked how genetic research has seriously questioned what according to you is history and should be accepted as such and i even when to the extent of providing links to you which you have again overlooked.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 04:11 PM
"I am from chennai" I am not surprised by your messages then. But you would do well to realise that you are indoctrinated and are parroting what-ever you have been told. Certainly you will agree Ravanan was a Tamil but brahmins are not, without realising according to Valmiki Ramayanam Ravanan was a brahmin.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:29 PM
i don't believe in ramayan and mahabaratam, bcoz they are not history. I believe in what I read as history not religious text
All this Dravidan and Aryan concept is based on history. If world historians changed their view, then I will change mine. I am happy to accept what is well researched
Re: Many Gods or One God
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 06:03 PM
" i don't believe in ramayan and mahabaratam" Many historians do. If you had bothered to read about Dwaraka excavations you would realise that there is enough truth in both. "All this Dravidan and Aryan concept is based on history" The problem is science is challenging this piece of history very very strongly. Please read about genetics research in wikipedia if, IF you are really interested in knowing things
Re: Many Gods or One God
by sivasubramanian on Sep 20, 2008 05:40 PM
Godwin Tenzing, You are not dravidian by name,You are ready to leave all the dravidian feature like Language/Temples/names you yourself has adopted a name which is not of any indian leave it dravidian. Chirstian guys are blind, They never understand their mole on their back.A person who can not save his own is called as god? If you adopt his policy you all also die who do you fight the hindus in Orissa? I know many christian from TN/Kerala are taken to Orissa?jarkhand etc to work as priest. They steal the missionary's money and buying big properties in TN. Are you guys are doing the service to god or Doing duty for the money you are getting. You guys are stealing the money meant for the poor and trying to convert them. If any of guys talk about christianity and convert the poor hindus to Christianity. The people will teach you the Lesson like Kerala and karnataka
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Sesh on Sep 20, 2008 03:51 PM
there are no dravidians... correct yourself... the aryan-dravidian idea is only in theory... nothing has been proved to ratify it...
and i dont think you have understood hinduism in its fullest sense...
your level of understanding has been limited to the first step itself... try to progres further to know more...
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 03:58 PM
Buddy I lived in India for 26 years. and my grandfather was a hindu. Christians or Muslims or other religion didn't jump from heaven.
I understand Hinduism as much as you do, but probably not all mathrams. Dravidan, Aryan is history. If you agree with the remains of Aryans and Indus civilisation they you can't hide the fact of Aryans and Dravidans.
I know when BJP was in power they changed school curriculam and history to tell their story.
I read more informations on these subjects, I haven't seen anything has changed.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by Sesh on Sep 20, 2008 04:02 PM
how does the findings of indus valley/harappa civilization prove the aryan-dravidian theory???
I do not know your level of understanding of hinduism, but definitely no scripture speaks of an invasion of a demarcation of aryan and dravidian...!!! and am not speaking about manthrams...
You know that history was changed by BJP, but when your grandchild's grandchild comes of age, he would be unaware of what is true history... similarly, the max muller theory of aryan-dravidian has been inculcated in the indian brain so that we are sceptical of our own scriptures....
Re: Many Gods or One God
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 04:08 PM
Dear Godwin, You *don't* understand hinduism. You are oblivious to the concept of Brahman( not the caste ), you surely don't know about advaitam and dvaitam. Otherwise you would not have posted what you did. Recent genetic research has shown that Aryan-Dravidian theory is highly questionable. You can search wikipedia or the links to scientific journals they provide. It is now agreed that a civilization older than Indus valley existed. If you had read information as you claimed with an open mind you would have noticed the contradictions. BTW, just curious, you don't believe in gods with families, do you believe in god's son?
Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:16 PM
I appreciate you have valid point
I agree with you not all History is provden, I don't think it can ever be proven, especially when it is 3000 to 5000 years old. bcoz no one lived that long.
I am not going to say my point is final, nope. I wrote what I learnt.
Obviously I know the fact there were civilisation older than that. But my idea is the whole Hinduism concept was spread after Indus civilisation. I don't see or read any thing otherwise.
Yes Jesus the God son concept is not a result of family. According to Bible the God who has no end and begining is called Jahova. Christians believe he gave his only son to sacrifice for human sin. It is not via any physical reltionship. It is up to the individual to believe or rubbish it. People who believe this or Christians , who don't believe or not christians (simple)
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by sivasubramanian on Sep 20, 2008 06:33 PM
Godwin If you are blind what others can do? You open your mind and look the real world with unscreened eyes.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 04:43 PM
If Aryan invasion is creation of british history then we shouldn't be reading those histories. But historians are happy to leave it in the text book
Re: Many Gods or One God
by JGN on Sep 20, 2008 04:23 PM
Godwin Tenzing, the Aryan invasion theory was a creation of British historians to divide the natives of our country. According to the available scientific evidence, modern humanbeings originated in Africa and spread to other parts of the world. Naturally the inhabitants of India also came from Africa.
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by mudamosi on Sep 20, 2008 06:08 PM
And i am telling you whatever you learnt is past expiry date.
I talking of a civilization, very near Indus valley civilization and much older than Indus valley civilization. The problem is scientific methods like carbon dating astro-archeo dating, genetic research are seriously questioning what ever you claim to be true on the basis of what you learnt. BTW, having a family is no problem as long as the kids are born out of non-physical relationship, eh? If Jehovah can, so can other gods .. :)
Re: Re: Re: Many Gods or One God
by Devesh Bohre on Sep 20, 2008 05:18 PM
GOd's Son was a Mistake actually other wise Godwin is right GOD must not have FAMILY... actually wat happened When Godwin's GOD saw MAry he cant control himself and RAPED MARY and got JEJUS
Re: Many Gods or One God
by sivasubramanian on Sep 20, 2008 05:57 PM
Godwin, How blind you are to your belief? Indusvally civilisation is the first one to have GOD-Pasupathy before any other civilisation had any god? Earlier to Indus sumarraian were worshiping their kings as god? If you accept Ariya/ Dravida theory and say there were no god in Dravida's life you are a lier first?Then if you say there was Adam eve and Jews old testament before dravida it is another big lie? Now you are admiting Jesus and Bible is Insert into the life later by vested interest and not the original religion of people. As mentioned in Old testament. Most european admit your christianity is a big lie? But chirstian from TN/Kearala Preach it as truth.Which is not the case.I am not against Jesus but certainly against the christian who loot Poor tamils by cornering all jobs in Schools etc.I am against christian who propogate false news against Hindus in gulf region just for their job!Will you stop this anti nation behaviour and stop pretenting to be good.
Re: Many Gods or One God
by shakthivel r on Mar 22, 2009 10:36 AM
dear godwin, I would like to bring one thing to ur notice. God is everywhere, u cant confine him to single super being, in Hinduism our gods exhibit the same theory. God has taken different shapes and forms in different era to prove all that u see in this world is a form of god. A simple thought provoking question, if Adam and eve was source of human species , i wonder how the family grew, i think Adam’s son must have slept with his own sister or mother to give birth to a child and this is how human species began to flourish... Brother i dint mention those words to hurt ur religious sentiments, but i wanted to demonstrate what it feels when u try to make a fool of other religions.
