My only contentions is that converts are silly and stupid, because what will they do when if their predecessors convert and talk like what the present converts are doing.
Any answers? Religion is not a political party that they change as they wish. Its as good as Mother.
Re: Converts are such stupids
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 20, 2008 11:46 PM
The conversion should be in heart, some people change name and religion for certain benefit, they are oppportunist. As a Christian I don't think I count them as christians. Suppose if I am hindu I can call myself hindu, but I can believe in Jesus and follow his ways. Which makes me a Christian
Being Christian is about following the words of Jesus.
VHP and BJP they talk about conversion and put you in fear for the sake of vote and you believe it without any logical thinking.
If a Hindu gets converted to Christianity just for the sake of opportunity and if he goes to church, then I don't think he will pray to Jesus, he will pray to Ganesha or whatever God he knows. Bcoz the conversion is not in his heart.
Instead of worrying about conversion, worry about keeping the country united and peaceful.
Parties like VHP and BJP makes you worry about 1000 silly things to cause communal violence.
Re: Converts are such stupids
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:03 AM
Good question Shaker, my Grand parents converted bcoz they didn't believe in worshiping Cow, Snake and all this logic which you are comfortable with. They didn't convert bcoz of money bcoz they had all that for 200 years. They were literate 100 years before you and I was. I am happy to be christian bcoz it makes more sense to me than any other religion.
Re: Re: Converts are such stupids
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:59 AM
Can I force you be Christian ? I can't , don't accuse , learn the fact before accusing
The conversion should be in heart, some people change name and religion for certain benefit, they are oppportunist. As a Christian I don't think I count them as christians. Suppose if I am hindu I can call myself hindu, but I can believe in Jesus and follow his ways. Which makes me a Christian
Being Christian is about following the words of Jesus.
VHP and BJP they talk about conversion and put you in fear for the sake of vote and you believe it without any logical thinking.
If a Hindu gets converted to Christianity just for the sake of opportunity and if he goes to church, then I don't think he will pray to Jesus, he will pray to Ganesha or whatever God he knows. Bcoz the conversion is not in his heart.
Instead of worrying about conversion, worry about keeping the country united and peaceful.
Parties like VHP and BJP makes you worry about 1000 silly things to cause communal violence.
Re: Re: Re: Converts are such stupids
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:06 AM
Like you think people don't convert just for money. Religion is belief, it is what I believe.
Religion is nothing more than someone's belief. People are different they can have different views, but criminalising , targetting them just for the sake of religion is Politics.
Re: Converts are such stupids
by shaker on Sep 21, 2008 12:17 AM
So to say that you are a also a scum, because it is not you who thinks what you said of Jesus.
Just because your grany follows something you fight for it.
Ok thats good but then dit you know under what circumstances did they change.
If 2 morrow your predecessors change their religion and talk like what you are talk is there any meaning.
I Know there is no point in talking to you converts who sell even their mothers for money.
Do not give lectures on Jesus etc. If you would have converted on your own and then say that is my belief may be I can understand.
Re: Converts are such stupids
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:58 AM
Again you are ignoring my answers and talking bull-shit. The converted bcoz they didn't believe in worshiping stones, snakes and cow. It makes sense for you but not for them.
They owned village, they had money and they were upper caste. so it is not for the reason you think
Kalam repeated what I have been saying for a long long time...AND NOW Sonia and stooges
1. Create an Independent Homeland Security Department Totally committed to terrorism free from any political party e.g Congress, BJP, CPI, TDP etc. 2. Every citizen must be alert and function as a vigilante. This must also include pro patriotic Muslims. 3. Similar to NCC India must form a reserve force comprising of everyday civilians and for a small salary be trained in counter terrorism techniques. If you think about this seriously for a moment it will raise the National Pride and Patriotism from grass roots and at the same time be a "lethal" force. India has 500 million plus 18 to 25 rears adult population. And in the future they will also make good leaders as politicians. All this will cost a lot less than expanding and hiring full time police, paramilitary etc.
Sadly today we do not have "leaders" but hard core politicians who are corrupt and self serving for power and money.
TALK IS CHEAP....TIME TO TAKE ACTION...AT EVERY LEVEL...MOSTLY IN MUSLIM GHETTOS
yes hindus are not so aggressive as other religions and are never behind conversions ...in olden days they rarely attacked any other countries.. they are not behind any bombblasts any terrorist acts...but unfortunately they are the ones who suffer most...
Re: no need...
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:10 AM
We keep telling this story we never attacked any country. Even I tell my office mates in UK this story. But the fact is we were never united to fight any country. India was ruled by more than 1000 kingdom and we fought within our boundry. It doesn't make India or Hindu a peaceful nation. Peaceful nation is what you show and do in action. And what other think about you.
We saw what others think about us after Gujrat massacre. They think we are butchers to massacre people in mass
Re: no need...
by symbolofpeace on Sep 21, 2008 12:27 AM
Godwin, remember you are following a religion which massacred countless in the name of crusade. Remember Nazi army wasn't that a racial one? Look back to the history
Re: no need...
by shaker on Sep 21, 2008 12:52 AM
Perfect my friend, Tansing convert does not even know who is mary magdelene, does not know what church did to all pagan followers
Well converts are basically like that, yesterday it was Rama or whatever and today aleluhia and jesus and may be something else 2 morrow
Re: no need...
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 08:09 AM
shaker, hinduism has survived as the oldest religion without resorting to forced conversions and religious terrorism. If people, no matter their religion, need to depend on that to propagate their twisted truths, it shows a really weak point in their beliefs. Hinduism does not need that. But I agree with Tenzing that India ws not peaceful.We were a thousand nations fighting each other and that left the country open to invaders. 1857 revolt could have succeeded if we had been more united. You are right about the crusades but the point is, why become like them? just proves we are as evil as they were. BEtter to round up the terrorists of all religions, shoot them and bury their bodies in a dungpile. And since most of these idiots crave matyrdom, the best punishment is to make sure they are forgotten.
Re: Re: no need...
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 01:04 AM
What Crusaders did is Politics, they too killed Jews and Muslims. If it is religion they wouldn't have killed jews.
If VHP, BJP, Shivsena, SIMI is shit, then Crusaders are shit as well.
Re: no need...
by ajay on Sep 21, 2008 11:04 AM
one can understand your view as unfortuntely you are in the same country who looted us most and made us slaves...as far as gujrat clashes are concerned they were in retaliation to a very ugly incidence for which you dont want to be concerned... in any case as an hindu i condemn any kind of violence attack or loot..
Sheela Bhatt does what our English Newsmen know best... to add a tinge of 'Saffron' and 'Green' in a serious topic of terrorism. Right now, news has poured in that the Delhi Cop who was shot thrice, in the abdomen, thigh and elsewhere has died.
Sheela's questions to the minister are very close ended, and the minister has replied rightly by saying he does not want to comment on 'specific cases' only on policy matters. See how the Sickular media communalises the news? I thought reporting was to be uncoloured, free and fair, and it is upto the people to read and interpret it the way the want to. She mentions of 'sloppy investigations', of choosing wrong suspects, as this might hurt the sentiments of the Muslim community. Pray, tell me Sheela, what do you want the police to do if they have a suspect? Just not question them and let them go scot free? Come on Ms. National Affairs Newseditor. If there is no evidence against the suspect, he will be released. There is nothing wrong in suspicion. There is the but obvious question, the yes and no type question in whether any 'Hindu' organisations are involved in bomb making. The reason for asking this question is obvious. If the minister says, Yes, there are instances of a few hindus and few organisations involved, then the secular newsmedia will use the minister's statements to 'selectively quote' to show Hindus to be intolerant and violent.
He gave interview as a part of his sycophancy. He tried to play down the blasts as "just 14 or 15 in a few years" . These Babus do not give any value to the human lives lost. India is standing next only to Iraq in the deaths,murder and mayhym by these Islamic jeahadi terrorirsts. Your plan of increasing police force,trainig them,and equiping them with more modern gadgets is all years away to be effective.
What about the immediate measures the Central Govt. may be able to take and yet not taking?
Re: don't white wash Mr.Kumawat
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:13 AM
As long as BJP, VHP, SIMI play communal politics, nothing is going to improve. VHP, BJP wants to do politics like what Talibans did in Afghanistan. We all know what happened to taliban.
Re: don't white wash Mr.Kumawat
by symbolofpeace on Sep 21, 2008 12:32 AM
Its Cong I who has divided this nation along with the British. even now we are questioned of religion. Why dont Cong implement a common civil procedure? supporting Hindu a communal, and anti-hindu is secular in terms of Cong. Just a vote bank. Can you show one good support by the cong to Hindus. Damn Hindus if they have to survive should leave this country. That is the case. Godwin, I think you may belive more in what Italian say than believing your own history. Remeber your roots are Hindus and this is how a converted fellow speaks.
Re: don't white wash Mr.Kumawat
by shenn on Sep 21, 2008 12:55 AM
At the end of the day, you do not even support hindu brethren but play party politics. as if 2 per cent christians make miracles and make congress win. You don't even respect hindu brethren who vote for congress and brand them as bought etc. You mean to say, india is so weak and plays in the hands of others? You are insulting us!
Re: Turn your TV ON right now! Turn your TV ON now brothers & sisters & see how Phakistan is burning! Enjoy this pleasant sight. Rejoice!
by mota on Sep 20, 2008 09:04 PM
VOICE OF A MAN WHO DOES NOT NEED WATER BUT NEEDS THE BLOOD OF HIS FELLOW MAN TO DRINK ::::::HORRIFING
One among the few states that the security is very weak i.e. West Bengal. Everytime I use to carry my ID card for Boarding planes but it is never checked but in Chennai you have to show your identity before the boarding pass is issued. W. Bengal is a heaven for terrorist and both the present and former CM's are from East Pakistan and obviously have some sort of a soft corner. I have ample proof of this DC, Mehta was shot long ago in day light by Muslim Goons in the Kidderpore dock area but no policemen came for help. The CM did only some lip service and the matter ended there.Under the circumstances one has to search entire eastern region beyond Bengal and Bihar for Terrorist who have an easy passage through this state.
You can observe any aruguments in NDTV by the so called human right activist are motly christian and never show any sympathy for 100 of people who lost their life and limbs in the terrorist attack in Gujarat and other parts of india.Ifact indian christian are actual perpetor terrorist and terrorism in india. You can see many Christian Human Rights activist blaming MOdi istead of sympathising with the innocent killed /injured in Siimi attacks.What is in their mind? Do they want india&hindus to be finished off? We are living there for millions of years. So nobody can finish us. What this evilhearted christian can do? From my childhood i lived with christian/muslims.I have noticed many of the muslims are very good friends indeed and in need.But no christian help a poor hindu in getting a job or making him to earn. So how cunning are these christian in india you all can understand. Even at gulf they are the first to spoil the indian image just to fill their stomach
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:32 PM
How do you explain the Nanded blasts where Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh activists died and recently two Bajrang Dal activists died in Kanpur while assembling bombs?
This explains that hindu terrorists are active in india too.Ban these outfits along with other terrorist outfits.
Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:17 AM
True people pretend there are no Hindu terrorist.
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by shaker on Sep 20, 2008 11:30 PM
yes there are terrorist in all religion but then what BJP and others are doing is just 0.1% of what all other religion are doing that too when it has come to a situation where action is a must.
Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:21 AM
so what happened in Gujrat is 0.1%, as a Hindu your ears are tuned to hear only Muslim or Christian conversion news, but as a Christian I know the facts, how many muslims had been massacred, how many churches had been torched and how many pastors had been killed in the last 10 years.
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by ranchiraj on Sep 20, 2008 09:14 PM
"How cunning are these christians"."Evil hearted Christains". please save your breath. You are too much enslaved by your own self, the root of sin. You project Christians too high. They are merely 2.5% and dont justify your accusation by subscribing to false propagandas. Bombblast are not apparently meant to kill particular religiosu followers but to disrupt the society. Don't think only hindus suffer in the blasts. Widen your worldview
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:15 AM
No one can justify bomb blast and no one can justify Gujrat Riots, the problem here is you are seeing the dirt in your eyes
Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:16 AM
I meant you are not seeing the dirt in your eyes
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Aquarius on Sep 20, 2008 09:35 PM
My straight question: do you think there are Hindu organisations capable of setting off bomb blasts within the country?
In Mumbai two-three Hindus did plant a bomb, the Shiv Sena chief had given some statement also. The damage was not much. But, there are not many cases.
There are cases of sectarian violence, for example the recent cases in Orissa and Karnataka. The central government has told them to take strict action against such organisations
Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Godwin Tenzing on Sep 21, 2008 12:22 AM
Politician makes statement, but I have no action , MODI the master criminal is still our CM. Biggest joke ever.
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by pavizham on Sep 20, 2008 11:13 PM
While Hindutva teaches the theory of destiny (Karma) and caste system by which the majority are kept under slavery and penury. Christ proclaimed equality and fraternity of the whole world population. Christ said, “Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest”. (Math 11:28) Christ said, “Thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself.”(Mt. 22:39)
Christ not only preached but also lived as a servant in the world. Christians follow His suit. Mother Teresa and Graham Stanes are only examples of hundreds of Christian social workers doing wonderful service among the poor sections of India. They identify themselves with the poverty-stricken, illiterate, unhealthy people. They stay with them, serve them, and educate them. They wash their bruises, administer medicines, give food and water and place to lay their heads. No Hindu sanyasi can do this. No Brahmin can do this. They will simply say “ Get away, get away; don’t came near us.” Their tradition is to extract and eat, not to earn and give. They like the Jewish priest and the Levite will just pass away leaving the bruised to his destiny. Christian workers will go to the needy and render whatever services he needs. Hindutva is selfishness and self-assertions, whereas Christianity is love and service.
Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by pavizham on Sep 20, 2008 11:14 PM
When Hindutvavadis say ‘No conversion’, it is out of their selfishness. Hindutvavadis are egoistic, ungenerous and self-seeking, whereas Christian missionaries are self-denying, generous and magnanimous. I wonder whether the best examples of Hindutvavadis, Satya Saibaba or Amritanandamayi Devi has ever in their life washed the wounds of a beggar in distress. I have heard that Amrutanandamayi Devi warmly embraces thousands of worshippers. But I have never heard that she has picked up a baby from a gutter, washed its scab and put it in her bosom. According to Hindu philosophy, the babe left by its mother in the gutter, should be left to its destiny. The baby is now suffering the result of the evils done in its past life. A Christian missionary believes that the theory of destiny is a white lie, that it is inhuman to hate others and that it is humane to love one another. So, he takes up the abandoned child and nourishes it into a self-dependent personality.
Re: Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by pavizham on Sep 20, 2008 11:14 PM
Herein one can see the conflicting, diametrically opposing, views of Hindutva as against Christianity. Hindutva wants the poor sections to remain poor for ever. Christians want to help the miserable creatures. Hindutva wants to perpetuate the thrawldom of the destitute Avarnas in India, whereas Christians want to help them and lift them up from their poverty, illiteracy, inequality and wretchedness. The ultimatum proclaimed against conversion is in fact not anti-Christian. It is anti-Avarnas. If Christians are permitted to continue their altruistic activities among these socially backward classes, they will become conscious of their citizenship rights and will clamour for their individual rights. This will deal a deathblow to the selfish interests of the Hindutvavadis. The attacks and atrocities against Christian missionaries is an open war against the millions of the poor sections of Indian population. This is a war against the vast majority of Indian population. As long as this vast majority of Indian population are kept enslavened, India cannot be said to be free until the last slave is set free to lead an independent life, independent from the Hindutva and Hindutvavadis.
Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by shaker on Sep 20, 2008 11:21 PM
pavizham do not argue much your attitude is also much the same.
First take care of your family there might my some indifferences between brothers but outside we have to be one family
Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 08:33 AM
Pavizham, all religions preach much the same message. Its the following of it that divides the world. I have read the Bible and nowhere has Christ said that Thou shalt render assistance and give love only after checking that the person concerned believes in me. Christ rendered assistance irrespective of religion, creed and caste. Gram staines and Mother Teresa may have. Many christians do not. Many missionaries regard conversion as a numbers game wherein the one with the highest score wins. You say Hinduism teaches the theory of destiny. Let me add to that by saying that destiny is influenced by our own choices. Christianity teaches that everything is controlled by one supreme being. No choice. And yes, there are examples of Hindus who have selflessly dedicated their lives to helping the poor, the needy, the lepers and the homeless. Satya Sai Baba of Shirdi was one of them. And there are many others who work away quietly without anybody knowing or caring about what they do. I have met such people, both Hindu and Muslim as well as Christian and Parsi and I am proud to call some my friends. Christianity is no better no worse than Hinduism or any other religion. I have no love for Hindutva which I distinguish as seperate from Hinduism but equally, I have no love for the Evangelists who bribe Hindus, convert them and then go home, and forget about them. Religion is a crutch. In the end, every man, must establish his own truth in life and follow it as best as he can.
Re: Re: Re: Christian act as Protectionist of Islamic terrorism in India
by Vishnu on Oct 03, 2008 09:06 AM
As for the caste system it has been outlawed and many hindus do not believe in it. The caste system started as a normal social delineation, comparable to serfs and nobles. It became entrenched when some fool sage decided that nobody could deviate and that sons should follow in their fathers steps without hope of betterment. If Hinduism is really as bad as you make it out to be, it would not have survived for as long as it did, inspite of all its shortcomings and the challenges it faced from other religions. Should I condemn Islam for Al-Qaeda or Christianity for the crusades? That would be a good argument to wipe out the entire human race since we are doomed to shed more blood in memory of more bloodshedding and we shall probably continue to do so until we drive ourselves extinct. Even if there was only one religion in the world, it would ultimately fragment into other sects and creeds and even other religions, all of which would then start putting people whom they once called brothers to death for not agreeing on a particular line or the role of a particular figure. Christianity is no expection. Catholics and Protestants are still shedding blood in Ireland. And this is when they still believe in the same god.
