Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by abcxyz on Oct 03, 2008 03:09 PM
sahih bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by abcxyz on Oct 03, 2008 04:13 PM
dot & joshi ,, good arguments between u 2 ,, my opinions & history plz: @Prophet did not marry anybody by his own wish except Lady Khatija , others were all given to him, so that tribal leaders can keep a check on Prophet when He was in His house, leadind a personal life, so His wives were acting as spies @aisha was not the fav wife as quoted my illiterates , read bukhari & muslim. Why did not he then marry anybody when Khatija was alive, & why did he marry another woman when he already had aisha?? ponder over it,, its plain history @ this 4 witness case is in tribal areas of pakistan , so no equation with Islam plz. @WHY r extremist fighting for poeple who played politics & died 14 centuries , QURAN says that to everybody his religion , his questioning only during dooms day ,, so why r people being questioned now?? means al qaeda & taliban like people do not have belief on QURAN Thanks
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 03:25 PM
mr joshi no need to put up a reference , i know prophet married aisha ,,but i have already answered ,first of all i dont understand whats the problem if somebody has sex with his wife ..(well i know u will say with a 9 yr old ...then why dont u ask some docter ,whats the age when a girl can have sex & do u know mensuration starts at 9 years .can u tell me what that means ,, why does mensuration occur ) secondary ..do u really think the marriage was abt sex ,,what was the need for marriage ,, the master of arabia could have any number of women ,,without the obligation of marriage..& do u know the rate of pregnancy in 9-10 years old in west these days who are in willful relations with ther bf ... what does this tell u?
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by Joshi Joshi on Oct 03, 2008 03:37 PM
Dot, if you don't see any thing wrong for a person of 55 marrying 6 year old girl. Since she is his wife and reached puberty at the age of 9, he (57 years old husband0 can have sex with her (9 year old). I have nothing to argue with you.
If you know the reason, its fine. I don't want to know. As you see no problem with that, I must say good bye. More over, I don't want to know about health condition of west. I know, you must be knowing the reason for 4 male witensses as well. Lord of Arebia can have asked for 72 witnesses, but why only 4?
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 03:53 PM
mr joshi,, there are n number of answers to ur query ..1) mensuration start @9 coz thats the age of reproduction chosen by nature .. now if nature does not want us to reproduce at this age then why does it start at all? 2) u are looking @ this situation from todays prism ..do u know whats the avg life expectancy today (62years) any guessess whats was the avg life expectancy 1400 years ago.. in those times how do they treated heart attack.kidney failur,diabetes ,cancer ,asthma etc etc ... the fact is in those times according to the avg life span 9 years was pretty ok for marriage.. & i have not talked abt health conditions of west ..but abt the fact that 9 is a ok age for reproductin ,,thats how mother nature intend it to be ... & one question if it was abt sex why did prophet waited till she was 9,, why not at 6 ? abt ur other question ..islam never asks for 4 or 72 witnessesses .u are actually talking abt a tribal law in pakistan called hadood
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by ashraf kazi on Oct 03, 2008 11:51 PM
Lord Krishana was 67000 wifes , Pondos was 1 wife 5 husband .....Is it religion ... BY Ravi Shankar ...........
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by Joshi Joshi on Oct 03, 2008 04:22 PM
Sorry, Mr Dot, you are answering unasked questions? No where in your reply, you mentioned as to why Prophet married that girl. You went on giving medical reasons. You missed one more point that smoking cigarrattes can cause cancer. If something medically allowed should not be allowed ethically. Why do one has to know how heart attack was treated 1400 years ago in arebia in order to find a reason for a person of nearing 60 to have sex with 9 year old girl.
I can see that you don't find any problem in 60 year old man having sex with 9 year old girl for two reasons. 1. That he is her husband, 2. That she is medically fit to have sex. I have nothing to argue with you as you went on giving answers for unasked questions.
I am saying good bye as you find it not wrong and you divert topic.
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 04:42 PM
buddy ,,the reason he married her ,was ,it was okay to marry @ that age in those times ..what abt smoking causing cancer & then something medically allowd and ethically not ..cant make sense of it ..plz be presice and provide e.g., the reason i was talking abt diseases was to stress upon the fact that in those times age span was less and thats why 9 was okay for marriage. plz read my post carefully ...& buddy to know the truth abt something approach it without any preconcieved notions
Re: Dot, verse number 64, in book 62 of Volume 7 in Bukhari
by Vivek Harry on Oct 03, 2008 04:47 PM
@dot, then why did he leave her a young widow at 18 years, and say she was everyone's mother and no marriage for her, poor girl
In end-2001, us forces in Afghanistan surrounded and captured in the fort at kunduz, 8000 taliban/quaida militants and slaughtered 4000, but transported the remaining 4000 to NWFP in Pakistan. Even our press and commentators are silent on this . It is precisely these US-ferried militants who are creating mayhem there. They have no public support and elections were won by Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan's grandson who is now the Chief Minister of NWFP. The evacuation of militants to Pakistan by the US was apparently known to Indian Intelligence operating from Turkmenistan and with NOthern Alliance in Afghanistan. It was reported by the famous American journalist Seymour Hersh in Jan. 2002.But all this is never mentioned by official briefings in the USA now, where all the focus is on A Q Khan network etc. ( There also the US contribution was crucial and was well documented in the recent book "Deception".) USA's kept press is also largely silent on American skullduggery in afghanistan.Indian commentators including Mr. Raman should expose this aspect and not ignore it. Mr. Raman has exposed much in these matters earlier in his writings.
Re: usa's double-dealing
by Iron Man on Oct 03, 2008 02:27 PM
The incident you are referring to did take place in the Nov of 2001 when USA forces ceased war for a week to let ISI remove its workers from Afghanistan. Initially ISI asked for 2000 - 2500 people but it ended up removing aorund 7000. These things have been mentioned in books written by scholars on the subjects but are conveniently swept under the carpet by day-to-day media. As for double dealing, according to certain studies its not only USA who were double dealing, ISI was culprit as well. Unfortunately for them, their baby monster has come home this year to wreck havoc. ISI has managed to shoot itself in their feet and injured themselves far more gravely than what RAW could have ever envisaged for.
Re: Re: usa's double-dealing
by Iron Man on Oct 03, 2008 02:30 PM
As far as double dealing goes, how about this?? Jundullah, a recognised arm of Al Qaeda, is a terrorist organisation operating in Iran against the government. Its established in neighbouring parts of Pakistan and is provided with funds by ISI. However the punchline is that in effect its CIA who provide them money and ISI happens to be just a front in this case. So in effect, USA is providing money to Al Qaeda. And we thought this was a genuine war!!!!
here comes u peoples standard reply to my posts ,,report them for abuse and they start disappearing (thanks to ur brother moderater ) ..wonder whats abusive in my posts ..hhmm ya i got it "truth" , it does sure hurt
Re: UR standard reply
by Joshi Joshi on Oct 03, 2008 02:31 PM
Boss, can you tell me what exactly translates to Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: in Bukhari?
Re: UR standard reply
by Joshi Joshi on Oct 03, 2008 02:09 PM
dot, I had been to lunch...
sections, I mentioned have chapter number and verse number. Morever, Referencing Quran is not expressings. Calling someone a child rapist is expression of freedom, but giving references in religions chapters regarding a person having sex with 9 year old girl when he was over 55 is not 'using freedom of speech!'.
I still doubt, why 1.5 billion muslims are not raising voice against allegations regarding 4 male witnesses and marrying 6 year old child
Re: Question to dot
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 12:59 PM
shut up man ,,dont talk rubbish ,, uf u are really muslim ,, then u should not act like this...the post by mr joshi is a query & has to answered according to quranic laws ..thats by truth, proof and beautiful preaching sorry mr joshi ,, here comes ur answer ... a women dont have to produce 4 male witnesses in case of rape ... second prophet married aisha at the age of 9 ....& what was the reason for that ,,, ask some muslim who is the source of most muslim rules ..u think it was abt sex .. may i ask why does the master of arabia have to marry a women for sex ...he could have what he wanted ...plz do checkout peace tv
Re: Question to dot
by Joshi Joshi on Oct 03, 2008 01:09 PM
dot, you are the first person who answered with cool mentality. But, I have links in wikepedia for both. I wonder 1.5 billion muslims are not challenging that, where as they revolted voiletely, for danish cartoons. If a muslim can kill a muslim in voilant protests against someone painting cartoons in some part of the world, why can't one protest process against the allegations in wikepedia regarding 4 male witnesses? I doubt the convincing power of a muslim..
Why are muslims not protesting against wikepdia for the above two points?
Buy the way, you agree that he married a 9 year old girl (if not 6) what could be the reaons for a person of 55 to marry 9 year old girl?
Re: Re: Question to dot
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 01:25 PM
mr joshi wikipedia is a open source sight where any body can post anything ,,just check u will find a edit option there.. abt danish cartoons .. i dont think insulting people who are dear to people ,, may it be there parents or prophets is freedom of expression .. if i say all danes are bas*tards am i exprssing my freedom of expression ? the fact is with freedom comes responsibilty .. plz refer the post above
Re: Re: Question to dot
by Joshi Joshi on Oct 03, 2008 12:59 PM
Khalifa Ismail, I am not a warlord who had sex with 9 year old girl when reached 60. OK, I don't have 5-6 wives as well. Please use proper language. It shows whats your mentality is upto?
Re: Re: Question to dot
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 01:20 PM
ismail answar this dim witted moron ,,by the way as* hole which histroy ..ur post simply tells ur a raving dog ,foaming at mouth ,, u know why coz u are suffering from rabies.. u think and wish all muslims will be killed ,, but dog u have been trying that for 1400 years unsuccesfully .. ur ex master ussr met its nemesis in afghanistan and so will ur current master usa ..
Re: Question to dot
by GG on Oct 03, 2008 01:28 PM
Why don't you answer yourself Mr.Dot Brained Dot? Pls don't pass on to your Great SCHOLOR ISMAIL. I know its not difficult for you to answer if you are truthful enough.
Re: Re: Question to dot
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 01:50 PM
Gan*du Gagni i have already answered although does ur post really deserve a answer ,,but since u are suffering from rabies u cant comprehend
Re: Re: Question to dot
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 01:06 PM
Nr joshi i am again sorry for mr ismails remarks ... & mr gupta ..no religion in the world asks its followers to marry only one women.. (infact the only book with the sentence 'marry only one" is quran) do u know how many wives lord krishna had ,, what abt bhim & how abt lord ramas father ?
Re: Question to dot
by kingisking on Oct 03, 2008 12:50 PM
If you really want to know than truth than accept Islam and than knew, people may tell anything but the trust can be found only when you are actually in it.
Re: Re: Re: Question to dot
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 01:13 PM
mr joshi ,,first of all i dont understand whats the problem if somebody has sex with his wife ..(well i know u will say with a 9 yr old ...then why dont u ask some docter ,whats the age when a girl can have sex & do u know mensuration starts at 9 years .can u tell me what that means ,, why does mensuration occur ) secondary ..do u really think the marriage was abt sex ,,what was the need for marriage ,, the master of arabia could have any number of women ,,without the obligation of marriage
all religion incl islam r man created and all books r man created.all books contain scientific error,like sura 2-222 says women who menstruate r sick,sura 2-85 says that first allah created earth then he turned to the heaves to create the heaves.its know first universe-heaves came the earth came.
religion causes hate and division in mankind.
religion is the opression of the few - prophets-mulla-priest to supress the masses and create enimity between all for their own selfish goal.
Re: The Atrocities by muslims on indians( by INDIAN..thanks indian!
by ramesh patil on Oct 03, 2008 12:29 PM
all religion incl islam r man created and all books r man created.all books contain scientific error,like sura 2-222 says women who menstruate r sick,sura 2-85 says that first allah created earth then he turned to the heaves to create the heaves.its know first universe-heaves came the earth came.
religion causes hate and division in mankind.
religion is the opression of the few - prophets-mulla-priest to supress the masses and create enimity between all for their own selfish goal.
Re: Re: The Atrocities by muslims on indians( by INDIAN..thanks indian!
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 12:47 PM
this is post without hatred and maybe somebody who seeks truth ,, dear sir there are no such quotations in quran .. in fact abt the creation of universe ,, quran clearly states the big bang threory .. the earth & the heavens where together a single mass ,until he cloved them asunder (quran) u can see peace tv for further clearifications
Re: The Atrocities by muslims on indians( by INDIAN..thanks indian!
by notsosweet on Oct 03, 2008 12:20 PM
Who is not converted?every christian and muslim with few rare exception is converted from hinduism.
Re: The Atrocities by muslims on indians( by INDIAN..thanks indian!
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 12:29 PM
yes u are right to a certain level , a lot of shudras from hinuism converted to islam which freed them from the tyranny of brahmins ...& the only compulsion here was the desire of these people to live like humans ..even today ,after so much negative and false advertising by its enemies , islam is the fastest growing religion
Re: The Atrocities by muslims on indians( by INDIAN..thanks indian!
by sangeeth on Oct 03, 2008 12:36 PM
tell me who raped a nun in khandamal recently, who killed innocent people there.
Re: Re: The Atrocities by muslims on indians( by INDIAN..thanks indian!
by dot on Oct 03, 2008 12:42 PM
add gujrat , bihar , delhi(anti sikh roits) , bombay , hyderbad to this list (all this in last 30 years only) who did all this .. maybe taliban lol
In ancient times when ever mangol was caught he was slaughtered , people made footware from thick skins of mangoles. His heirs were used in making brushes. If you wants to get rid of jihadis you has to apply same thing as our ancestors did to mangols.
