What's the point in drawing lessons if those lessons are not going to be implemented. At least I don't have any expectations for the Opportunist Politicians.
Unless India get Nationalist Leader like Modi, there is no hope.
What individual's can do is actively join politics and armed forces. Turn the armed forces into a group of Nationlist. Then there is a possibility of things changing.
RE:Does not serve any purpose
by crazyguy on Jul 09, 2008 07:08 PM
Don't you read news paper or see TV? As per Political leaders and media persons- 1. there is nothing like Islamic terrorism in the world and specially in India. 2. Anyone not agreeing to this is communal- therefore Narendra Modi is worst among them. 3. Everybody should unite against BJP etc to be in power- may be with 3/4 MPs and being in power ( see bloody Ramdoss spoiling AIIMS)
So don't expect anything better to happen in India.
The policy of India arming the weak govt of karzai will backfire in long run, like US arming of islamic fighters against soviet union. India should not meddle in such a volatile situation.
RE:India should get out of Afghanistan.
by Yogesh D Nandvikar on Jul 09, 2008 06:45 PM
i think india should continue to support karzai goverment by restructuring afgghanistan . which will give india platform to counter pakistan from other isde also. also karazai goverment is elected and democratic .there is no harm to support this goverment.
RE:India should get out of Afghanistan.
by Varun Shekhar on Jul 16, 2008 03:12 AM
Then what is the best policy, Prem Padro? India is involved in many ventures in Afghnaistan; the military phase is a puny one. Indian aid may be the best in terms of dispersal and effectiveness.
Thanks MKB. People like you have made India to be the timid nation we have always been. 100s of terrorist attacks later we still call Kashmiri terrorists as militants or separatists not terrorists. We kept hoping against hope that the terrorists would finally get tired of killing us. For people like you our huge population is an advantage where killings can be justified as collateral damage. After USA attacks Afghanistan & war on terror which you claim as hare-brained, have there been any attacks on US? Remember the Israelis who were kidnapped from Kashmir & within 2 days they just walked back? Since then no Israeli tourist has ever been harmed by terrorists. My view is the terrorists only understand the message of violence of greater order. All these terrorists, Naxalites etc need to be given this message. Screw the root cause. If you talk, we can talk, if you commit violence, there will be greater violence against you.
RE:In simple language, dont retaliate?
by Sharanu on Jul 09, 2008 06:27 PM
very well said manoj ,weakness basically runs in most of our indian vains ,thats the sorry state of the nation
RE:In simple language, dont retaliate?
by crazy on Jul 09, 2008 06:58 PM
Its good that people like Manoj M are not the decission makers. Do you very naive to compare India to USA. USA is the only superpower in the world! Do you know USA has 600 Billion dollars of defence budget. NATO excluding USA has another 200 Billion dollars. What is Indias Defence budget 26 Billion. You still want to compare India to USA. see the facts dude before you make any statements.
RE:In simple language, dont retaliate?
by Manoj M on Jul 09, 2008 07:06 PM
so how come with the paltry budget India has a bigger army than US? Do the Indian soldiers get paid in dollars? Ever heard of purchasing power parity? The percentage amount of defence budget spent by India & US on manpower are not too different. It's the will India lacks. So why did you miss my comment on Israel? It might be a more appropriate comparison?
RE:In simple language, dont retaliate?
by crazy on Jul 09, 2008 07:38 PM
Let me give you some more statistics to make my point clear. India spends approx 10 Billion on salaries. So it spends 16 Bill on maintainance and purchase of weapons. USA spends 120 Bill on salaries and around 450 Bill on maintainance and purchase of new weapons.
India buys most of its weapons from developed countries. Therefore we dont get the benefits of Purchasin Power parity in the international arms market. ------------------------------------------- My point is what big difference will India make in Afghanistan by getting invovled Militarily when USA and Nato are already there? ----------------------------------------- Isreal... who is the Isreal fighting with? Hizbolla. The jerks think that they can win against Isreal by firing Kasam rockets! besides Isreal has full backing of USA. If any country (e.x. Iran)attacks Isreal then USA enters the war. Thats not the case for India. So its not right to compare India with Isreal.
RE:In simple language, dont retaliate?
by Reformer on Jul 09, 2008 11:41 PM
whatt?? thats it?? why you stopped here? I like your posts buddy...you are having good knowledge...I was expecting some more insight from you on this issue..u are not crazy.
Funny how India is complaining about Pakistan interferring in Afghanistan when itself considered it is involved in training the armed forces there and SUPPLYING them with Weapons. Pakistan never did that except smalls arms fire which was neccessary to allow Taliban government officials to defend themselves. I have said this before, India is wrong in supporting this US policy of proping up a Mostly minority karzai government which will collapse like a deck of cards once the US leaves. Pakistan's support to the Taliban was based on ground reality which is why Taliban lasted on their own without major power support, SANS PASHTUN, this Nothern Alliance government is DOOMED, SANS PAKISTAN, India will not be able to consolidate grip over Afghanistan as an ally. Pakistan has geopgrahical proximity to Afghanistan, Afghanistan relies on food supplies from Pakistan and most of all Trade routes lead to Afghanistan from PAKISTAN, by default,Pakistan is the better country for the US to deal with and most of all Pakistan should maintain its ties with a legitimate majority in Afghanistan preparing for Uncle Sam to call quits and leave the Afghans in a lurch.
RE:Afghanistan
by Vivek Harry on Jul 09, 2008 06:34 PM
there should be rotation of the important posts between all ethnicities such as pashtun, uzbek, tajik every 2 years or so, and they should have a compact amongst themselves to keep the pakistani-influenced taliban out
RE:Afghanistan
by sushmita on Jul 09, 2008 06:23 PM
dear mr mir
india aided the government that is democratically elected, and by your own admission, pakistan aided the taliban who were against the government, who routinely kill people of other countries, blow up centuries old statues of the god of another religion, hijack other countries planes, and today have been responsible for the deaths of some more indians.
thank you for your honest admission.
i agree with the other practical points that you have made about mr karzai needing the support of the americans, just the way musharraf needs the americans to keep him alive.
with such pathetic losers in IFS who probably had too much wine and caviar which has dulled their brains, one has to wonder if these guys know what national interest is. It all seems like pathetic excuses to get out that would have made Chamberlain proud. One of the most idiotic comments is that militant groups are actually promoting democracy in Islamic countries, never mind that they put an end to film and music and send women back to the dark ages.
If we get out of Afghanistan, Taliban may not attack our embassy or consulates in Kabul or Kandahar, but their masters in Pakistan would be free to spend their energies in sending in more militants (who are making their countries "democratic!") into India to bomb and kill presumably to make India "more democratic".
There must be a test of elementary common sense as part of the selection process for IFS to weed out gutless geeks from getting in.
Thank god our politicians did not consult such gutless losers while formulating our Afghan policy.
RE:Cowardice as wisdom
by Vivek Harry on Jul 09, 2008 05:44 PM
there is a tendency among the old school to emphasize that Islam is not a monolith, but that makes it even more dangerous as each one tries to prove that it alone is the true brand and eliminate all other brands, so it is not something to admire but it should make us even more wary of the dangerous bloodletting such diversity can cause.
Three Cheers to M K Bhadrakumar. Very good thinking. Indias role in Afghanistan should be only Constructive. Any Indian who thinks India can acheive more that USA by involving military is insane. However we need to be more aggressive in our 'sphere of influence'.
RE:Good article
by Varun Shekhar on Jul 16, 2008 03:17 AM
India's role is consructive- building/rebuilding schools, hospitals, roads, the new parliament building, power lines, telecom exchanges, training the police, supplying civilian aircraft and giving the 'Jaipur foot' prosthetic to those people who lost their limbs in the Afghan civil war. What planet have you been on, to advise India to be 'constructive'?
The british were gentlemen and allowed Gandhian methods to succeed.but now India is not facing the british hence Gandhian methods will not succeed.we have to replace the image of Gandhi as our rashtrapita by Sardar Patel and adopt tit for tat as our national principle rather than the bhajan "left cheek after right cheek for our enemy to slap"as our motto.we must flex our muscles in the region in the Sardar Patel fashion rather than offering roses to our enemies.Then only Akhand Bharat will be born
RE:Sardar Patel the new Rashtra Pitamah
by SEETA on Jul 09, 2008 04:58 PM
HEART: A bomb was found on a bus transporting 12 Indian road workers in Afghanistan on Tuesday, a governor said, a day after a suicide attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul killed 41 people. ( Watch )
The workers, including engineers, noticed a “suspicious package” on the bus on as they were travelling to work in the southwestern province of Nimroz, provincial governor Ghulam Dastgir Azad said.
first, 42 humans were killed. second, many indians were killed. third, moderate muslims get killed by hardline muslims.
this will continue till we realise that the basic idea of hatred for other religions cannot survive.
moderate muslims in india should decide whether a multi-religion india with vibrant cities such as delhi, jaipur, mumbai, hyderabad, bengaluroo are better for their careers, families, sisters, wife and mother at home, or its better to live in kandahar and kabul.
the moderate muslims then have to weed out these polluted hardline terrorist idiots who are determined to change everybody's life for the worse. look what they did afte rthey invaded afghanistan. it was a peaceful buddhist country a few centuries ago, but today... there is no peace, and the 90% buddhists are reduced to zero just like the bamiyan buddhas.
RE:RE:Bombing
by Mahavir on Jul 15, 2008 02:28 AM
Shusmita, 'Moderate' and 'Muslim' are contradictory words. Do you get it ? If not then educate yourself by knowing Quran or Mullas sermons.
RE:Bombing
by Vivek Harry on Jul 09, 2008 05:41 PM
that is what we are saying repeatedly, that this hurts muslims more than others, but they are not willing to hear, what we can do, they are not prepared to listen that this is all because of their overarching ambition to dominate the whole world in the name of that nonexistent Allah, do they think that this will come cheap or everybody is going to welcome them with open arms. Look, even Afghanistan does not want Pak caliphate over its territory, so what to speak of the whole world, only a mad man will believe such a scheme, it is totally self-destructive, muslim women should instil some sense into their men who are having heavenly fantasies peddled by that fake godman
