RE:T P S Sreenivasan
by Calspadeaspade on Aug 16, 2008 01:09 AM
How so? I did not notice any thing particular about "heenduism" in this article except if you are linking it to his mentionin a BJP sympathiser.
RS - Hello and welcome to big fights. Our guests today are renowed secularists Arundathi Roy, Praful Bidwai and Prakash Karat
RS - Do you think the mufti should be punished AR - No this is a ploy to malign a community by extremist Hindus. PK - No action should be taken against muslims .. that is the basis of secularism
RS - But there is enough evidence against the mufti AR - The RSS and other extremist groups are responsible for terrorism in India .. Muslims are inncoent victims .. they cant d any harm PB - RSS must be punished PK - I agree
RS - But arent Hindus in india suffering too AR - Hindus are paying for their sins .. in kashmir muslims are being killed everyday RS - but kashmiri pandits and hindus in jammu PB and PK - hindus must show restraint and brotherhood .. even if hindu women are raped, land is taken away by muslims, hindus must act in a non violent manner RS - shouldnt muslims be non violent too
AR & PK - no they have been oppressed, its a way of revolt
Public Poll - What should be done with PK, AR and PB
RE:Is India a hindu country ?
by NIKHIL ARYA on Aug 16, 2008 02:23 AM
COmmon man is far off from tese bloody acts...its just the policticains and useless media that keeps on highlighting these useles acts. More they are discussed and hown...more these people come in Lime Light and feel important.....I hardly matters to me who is hindu or who is muslim...its just the indiviual who has to decide this biasis..Jai Hind..
RE:Is India a hindu country ?
by Vasanth Srinivas on Aug 16, 2008 12:57 AM
Its a country of INDIAN people trying to exclude the Jehadi and Azadi elements
RE:Is India a hindu country ?
by surya on Aug 16, 2008 03:55 AM
Vasanth Srinivas Thanks i would prefere all violent elements to be excluded including hindu or christian
RE:Hindustan
by NoManLand on Aug 16, 2008 12:21 AM
This is not a right way. Hinduism means people who love this India. Hinduism means people are ready to work hard for nation prosperity.
Happy I-Day to all fellow Indians!It is really proud to be an indian today because we could sustain our democracy for long 61yrs which in itself is rare thing to happen in so called thrid world!Nobody expected us to remain democratic for so long after independence! Well but now celebration should be over and we must step into higher level of deomcracy where every society and group of Indians are well represented and are heard of! Most alarming situation in Indian democracy is political parties!The way most of the political parties behaved in 2007-08 is not a healthy sign!Left taking almost anti-India & pro-china stance,Congress drooping to the lowest levels of minority appesement,BJP trying to polarise anything & everything around Hindus,other smaller regional parties dividing society and engaging themselves in bare acts of corruptions,new political aspirants like Raj Thackrey going one step further in increasing regionalism!Most of the problems in today's india starts from unhealthy politics and uncertainity of public votes!We are still not voting for our region/elctoral area,but we are voting for our language,religion,caste,region and whatever possible sub-groups! We must learn something from people of Gujrat who voted for progress and prosperity ,although they had all politically created reasons for not doing so!This statement certainly is not made to legitimize Modi's all deeds but we must start voting for development!That is the only possible way to correct political
India is the country where definition of secularism has been changed.. Secularism means no favor to any religion..But Indian secularism means favor to all religion. So when some indian people talk of uniform civil code, they are regarded as communalist and the people who talk for only Muslims, regarded as Secularist.. Very strange condition prevails in India. Also minority in India is sinonymous with only muslims but not other any community as jain, sikh, cristian, parsi, budhists. The people who always talk of appeasement of muslims branded as secularist. No body cares about other minority as Hindu in Kashmir, jain, parsi, cristian, budhists... What a shame to indian people thinking.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by Rohit Gangwani on Aug 15, 2008 10:50 PM
Ahmed, it's not a question of envy. "Secular" means that every religion must be treated equally, and no religion given preference over others. If the Criminal Code can be equally applied to both Hindu and Muslim criminals, why not the same civil code to Hindus and Muslims?
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by Shreeram Shah on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 PM
Dear Friend, do not annoyed.. I am not envious..please be updated and scientific....Only scientific approach has given present world a new shape, whatever peace, wellbeing you find that is due to all scientific and this economic era but not some old religious theory who could not change the world for hundred of years but religious fanatics still preaching some nonsense. You might be observing some civilians killing, terrorism in the world that is very less with comparision to yester years. In early days, media was not active, nothing went reported. Lot of fighting, foolishness happened in 200 years ago. No religion has the capacity to mould the world into peaceful society. It is only scientific approach and economic age which has given you some room for you to breathe properly.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by Proud Hindustani on Aug 16, 2008 06:12 AM
You forgot add Sindhis who became stateless overnight,they have NEVER fought for a separate minimum piece of land. Meanwhile they have made astronomical contributions to India in ALL fields.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by MMK Rao on Aug 15, 2008 11:48 PM
The lopsided concept of secularism in India appears to have been influenced by the fact that Independent India also was co-born with war for a muslim majority J&K by Pakistan. It also appears to have been strengthened subsequently as India went thru successive general elections, when sizable proportions of Muslims in the population [around 15% overall, but up to 30% in many particular areas] began to be viewed as a factor that could tilt in favour of parties specially wooing the Muslim sections with a distorted application of secularism. To this religious dimension of biassed secularism was further on added casteist communalism as a bias in the secular notions, which was a paradox in the extreme since virtually all parties feigned to be anti-casteism ideologically. Due to the accumulation of different biasses which are still continuing, our political parties feeling obliged to put up representatives with serious criminal profiles most of the times, all of the parties hungry for making money through huge public contracts using frontmen if need be, land grabbing, and other means for the sake of the leaders and the local chiefs with their kith and kin, and 1seldom heartily concerned about solution to problems taking the populations as a whole,found it useful to use one onesided secularism in combination with casteism which is essentially a dead force except in politics. While in power the party or party combo of opportunities had to at least appear secular and pro-castes.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by vinay thakur on Aug 15, 2008 10:52 PM
You are correct..but problem is not with Congress or Muslims!It is political leadership which is dividing India further!Congress stooping to any level to appease minorities but at the same time it is also true that BJP is trying to link everything and anything with Hindus to polirise hindu votes!Please think these acts are not done because they feel that muslims or Hindus need more attention ,they do it because they need votes!Ban congress & Ban BJP to contest elections...their tone and whole language will change! We need a political leadership who can talk about India and Indians..not about South indians or north indians,not about muslims,hindus,Christians;not about upper & lower cast hindus,not about Marathi or Bihari..but only about India! But the bottleneck is how many of us will vote such party in coming elections?? In US upcoming elections you will never hear either party speaking about Blacks or Whites,Asians or non asians,about northern or southern states..they talk about America and both talk about Americans!Their difference of opinion is centered around economic policies,developmental issues or Foreign affairs!We still dont want our political parties to talk about providing roads or electricity to your area..rather we want them to talk about Hindu vs Muslim,reservation for Dalits,north indian migrants in Mumbai,Karnataka vs Tamilnadu etc etc.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by surya on Aug 16, 2008 12:40 AM
secularism is not killing minorities wiping out thier identity pogoroms on minority and many more and still cry that minorities are enjoying.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by Calspadeaspade on Aug 16, 2008 01:17 AM
I agree. Secularism is oppressing Hindus(you may prefer to call them "heendus") and be blind to the atrocities committed on them all just for getting elected again and again.
RE:Indian secularist means favor to only muslims
by Gopal on Aug 16, 2008 07:38 AM
A very good topic for debate.
At the time of independence Nehru wanted to project India as a conducive republic. The Constitution was written with this idea in mind. In my opinion we must make an amendment to the constitution defining clearly 'secularism' with fore-sight. It need not be in line with the dictionary meaning. Shreeram's suggestion is the best in my opinion-' SECULARISM MEANS NO FAVOUR TO ANY RELIGION.”Religion is for the individual and not for the state. The state should keep away from religion and connected establishments. Ministers and MPs should keep off from religious functions. Sure their presence in the function fetch a good chunk of votes. So the CEC can handle the issue. Attending temples, mosques etc for prayers is different. That is a personal matter.
Look at the US election. There is no religion, no region, no colour etc. It is time we must think seriously for a change in our political outlook. Which political party would dare to make a change? Words from the grass-root should come. May be it takes some years. But a start is always good.
RE:Govt is full of supporters of terrorists and looters of India
by surya on Aug 16, 2008 12:45 AM
Lier go and kill some more minorities and drink their blood you will be satisfied. Thanks g_d there are bombs for modi he is scared to walk on street now lol and he is CM lol what a joker
RE:Govt is full of supporters of terrorists and looters of India
by Vadali VenkataRamaKishore on Aug 15, 2008 11:27 PM
1) Sahabuddin is a proven thug/anti-national 2) Shibu Soren is another fom the rogue gallery. 3) Abu Azmi from Mumbai is another from the rogue gallery. 4) a) Mahdani - responsible for the coimbatore blasts - was released. He was relased, not because he was innocent, but for want of evidence. 4) b) Mahdani is now being wooed by the 'MOST RATIONAL' party the God's gift to India - the left Parties, and the one & only Mulayam Singh 5) SIMI is a proven terrorist organization. Its role is known to evrybody. SIMI has sympathesizers in central govt. in the form of Laloo & Mulayam 6) The SIMi activists would have been arrested for the IISc blasts @ Bangalore, if not for the pressure of 'secular' parties of the/then JD Government of Karnataka. 7) All the leadership of the Maoists were surrounded in a forest in AP, and would have been killed, but the Left Parties applied pressure on the Central Govt., and the AP Govt (again the Congress) let them go. 7) The above story repeated itself this time in the North-East, when all the ULFA cadre were surrounded by the Army, and again let off due to the pressure by the Left parties. 8) The Congress Govt. of AP, undid all the good work of the previous Telgu Desam, and lost the opportunity to decimate the Maoists, in fact the Maoists roamed the streets of Hyderabad with arms. 9) Now the Congress Govt in AP want to fight, but the iniitaive has been lost The list is end-less
RE:Govt is full of supporters of terrorists and looters of India
by surya on Aug 16, 2008 12:49 AM
vadali i have a big list of your RSS brothers actions you will shutup once i open it.
RE:Govt is full of supporters of terrorists and looters of India
by Vasanth Srinivas on Aug 16, 2008 01:00 AM
Performing Taquiya here...? Show up your real name Suryaji.... Doesn't even dare to open up your name. You talk of Modi's bravery. LOL...
What people use to say on independence day, those are just sheer talk..nothing else. They are not interested to find grass root problems..Mr. Manmohan Singh may be a great scholar and economist as well but he too tells lies.. Remember when BSE sensex was rising abnormally, he was too much ecstasic to say "this rising sensex reflects our economic strenght" And when BSE sensex crashed abnormally within few days, lot of retail investors lost heavy amount, Mr Manmohan Singh says,"the crash in sensex has nothing to do with our economic strenght but it is part of business". So please understand him how he deceives indian people... In India, people only tends to deliver lecture but not want to be practical. It is not only indian politicians to be blamed for problems in India but also indian people too to be blamed. Indian political leaders are the product of our society..they are not imported. They reflect our common people's attitude, behavior. In fact, look at indian educated people how they think, it looks like they are pseudo educated. Lot of software engineers too move to USA but they do not send their foreign currency back to India but look at what chinese people use to do. While finding out grassroot problems in India, we see Indian people hate each other...they are hungry for power. Look how govt. officials behave in offices, look at Indian police, look at beurocrats, look at surroundings as well...you shall find they just wanna push you behind. Indian educated people even d
RE:Our PM Mr. Manmohan singh also deceives people
by Gopal on Aug 16, 2008 07:41 AM
Dr. Manmohan Singh is a renowned economist. The two statements on SENSEX poves that the the sensex index is not a real indicator of development. There is some kind of manipulation. It is for Mr.Singh to identify that hidden force and tell the people.
RE:Our PM Mr. Manmohan singh also deceives people
by vinay thakur on Aug 15, 2008 11:02 PM
It is true that political parties are product of our society or way of thinking!But you cannot blame people for that!Political parties and leaders carry more responsibility than groups of people!Groups of people will always enjoy favour to them first!That is very humane!Be it the most literate western societies or our illeterate Janta!Everywhere it is same! But politicians should learn their limits and People must react to absurdities they talk! In any political party gathering people want to hear how other political party is doing wrong or demanding favour for those groups where they can get maximum votes!Issues which escalate Hindu-muslim divide or issues like reservation for lower casts in the name of social reform should be banned to discuss during pre poll gatherings by election commission!Leaders will talk only about employement,road,electricity,schools,hospitals,agricultural facilities to farmers etc etc during their election meetings!
RE:No meaning of independence and democracy for people of Jammu
by Vasanth Srinivas on Aug 16, 2008 01:01 AM
Make Kashmir a separate state. And kick all muslums in india to Porkistan. Take back the stolen land from Pandits.
RE:No meaning of independence and democracy for people of Jammu
by mehul negandhi on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 PM
get lost from this country, with all the comments you have posted, its clear that you are nothing but a pakistani supporter.
This country is in grave danger not as much from Pakistan or terorists but from self styled liberals and apologists. Who feel proud in denouncing Hindus as communal and Muslims particularly Islamic terorists and Kashmiri sepratists as secular.
Mr Srinivasan you claim to be a Patriot. Then you must be a communlaists because Patriotism/Rashtrawad is communal, anti-India. Lessaid about Rashtrawadi. PRIME MINISTER MANMOHAN SINGH IS CLEAN WHO CREATED FALSE EVIDENCE IN CREATING A RESIDENCE IN GAUHATI THEN COMMITTING PERJURY BY USING IT IN AFFIDATS AND WHILE TAKING OATH OF OFFICE. Man deserves to be behind bars for seven years for each offence. OUR MADMOISLE ANTONIA GANDHI @ Sonia cheats 110 Crore GHindus going around as Hindu while doing her best to help Christian evangelists. She goes around with false,illegal name and other bundle of lies. ONE OF OUR NATIONAL PARTIES, claiming to have driven out foreign rulers HAS NO SHAME TO BE BANDHUA SLAVES AT THE FEET OF ITALIAN GANDHI. No one in Media asks Rahuil Gandhi (i) whether he was detained by FBI at Boston Airport on 20-9-2000 on suscpiscion of drug trafficking when he landed arriving from Columbia with his Columbian girl friend and a Million Dollars in cash. Nobody ask him of reports that while in Europe he was a drug addict and wherefrom he got those millions he was spending.
(ii) nobody asks Rahul if he gangraped with 7/8 foriegn frioends while reporters were around youung daughter of a Rajput worker of Congress. SEARCH GOO
RE:sobering thoughts on independence day?
by bhagwat goel on Aug 15, 2008 10:32 PM
nobody asks Prannoy, Barkha,Rajdeep, Peter Mukherji of starting and perpetuating 2002 in Ahmedabad. One night After I gave notice to Rupert Murdoch ,I found in the morning no riots as if flicked stopped. NUMBER OF MY NOTICES TO THEM AS ALSO ON PROGRAMME OF NDTV there is no denial.
Day in and day and today shamelessly by PM Manmohan Singh ' dont lead India to another partition.' THESE ARE OUR PROTECTORS.
I can say peoudly with all faith in our forces IF ANYBODY EVEN TRIES IT THERE WONT BE any PAKISTAN left OR HIS AGENTS.
Mr srinavasan, unless patriotic ,educated Indian Hindus. give up its habit of self effacement, there is not much hope.
Time to fight out these fake secularists who speak for Jehadis and Pakistan. IS SONIA GANDHI A SECULAR WHEN BEFORE MARRYING RAJIV HGANDH SHE GOT HIM CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY.
TIME TO WAKE-UP FOR ALL INDIANS, who are proud to be Indians.
RE:sobering thoughts on independence day?
by ahamed sharif on Aug 15, 2008 10:49 PM
Rajiv Gandhi was cremated in Hindu style. And Sonia behaved like a hindu widow. Do not spread rumors.
RE:sobering thoughts on independence day?
by neeti mehta on Aug 18, 2008 01:05 PM
Sonia behaved like a hindu widow is true,,but any answer mr sharif,why sonia took citizenship of india only when she intended to enter politics and get qualified to do so?
