The reason why India is a prosperous democracy is because its a Hindu majority country. The only way the pakis can emulate India or any other successful country is by leaving Islam. After all, Pakis are all coverts from Hinduism. Their forefathers were forced to convert and these guys are fighting for the Arabs who tormented their forefathers and are fighting against the their own heritage which is Hindu. Please read www.faithfreedom.org
Fact is: After 60 Hindus, mostly women and children were burnt alive at Godhra, some 1000 people died in Gujarat 2002.
Out of that 700 odd were Muslims. Incredibly, 300 were Hindus.
Question 1: Why islamists, Psuedos, Jholawalas NEVER speak about these 30% Hindu death ? Who killed them? Mostly Muslims. Few days after Godhra, in a place near Godhra, some 25 Hindus were burnt alive by local Islamists ! Check old Newspaper using Google. You will find that.
RE:Jihadi pampering in Indian media, political discourse- example 1
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 11:22 PM
Most disheartening fact was, the way Xtian groups gave credence to this Guj 2002 outside India, though NO XTIAN WAS ATTACKED/KILLED.
hey though, if bJP is discredited, they will get no hurdle to convert people. Alas, even Congress ruled Himachal enacted same legislation to protect indigeneous religion as done in BJP ruled state.
I do hope senses prevail in Xtian activists and they take a long term view of the emerging situation in India.
RE:Jihadi pampering in Indian media, political discourse- example 1
by Mike Jordan on May 24, 2007 12:11 AM
Raman has a big mouth, he is mixing his fantasy with real life.
RE:Jihadi pampering in Indian media, political discourse- example 1
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 12:57 AM
You are hiding behind a psuedo name, actually unable to justify this Jihadi pampering!
If you are really a secular person, wake up before its 2 late.
Stop appeasing ihadis, Islamists. This emboldens them. They are going to do same to you as well. None of 55 Muslim countries are secular. neither they gave equal rights to minorities.
RE:Jihadi pampering in Indian media, political discourse- example 1
by Shameer on May 24, 2007 01:24 PM
Bhaskar bhayya....cool down.. You r a filthy coward....Spreading venom all over the forum.... hate monger...If i started quoting Hindu scriptures ..there r lot of laughing stuffs...make fun of others beliefs is a worst quality that one can posses..I know its useless talking to u guys coz u r religiuos fanatics.
So many hindus in this forum spreading hatred against muslims...blood thirsty...they are cowards of top class...verse than those stupid jehadis. Coz those jehadis r ignorent stupids but u r I feel educated at the least.....
Come on grow up....u Visua Hindu thugs...venum...venum....
The last para of Mr.Ramans article says "The relentless spread of these jihadi communes across Pakistan and the helplessness of the Musharraf regime make one shudder to think what could happen to the military grade enriched uranium produced at Kahuta and the nuclear-capable missiles stored in Sargodha if Lal Masjids spring up in their midst and take religion, law and nuclear control in their own hands tomorrow"
Let's modify this to fit indian situation. "The relentless spread of these fanatic hindu communes like RSS, VHP, Bajrang dal, hindu maha saba, shiv sena, etc across India and the helplessness of the Indian regime make one shudder to think what could happen to the military grade enriched uranium produced at Indian nuclear stations and the nuclear-capable missiles stored in Indian nuclear sites, if Gujurat spring up in their midst and take religion, law and nuclear control in their own hands tomorrow"????
I think both will sound very familiar. And ofcourse there are many examples of these fanatic hindu organization how they are creating problems and massacres in India. I don't want to go deep into that here...
RE:Similarity
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 11:00 PM
30% people killed, 35% displaced during much maligned Guj 2002 post Godhra events WERE HINDUS.
Islamists and their bandwagon Left Jholawalas NEVER SPEAK, OR GIVE 30% SPACE TO THESE HINDUS WHO WERE KILLED/DRIVEN OUT IN THE HANDS OF MUSLIMS, EVEN IN MODI's GUJARAT.
It appears, Human rights applied ONLY for Muslims, though they don't believe in Human rights of others.
Neither 400,000 Kashmiris fate, or 10,000,000 East Paakistan Hindus/Buddhists are EVER SPOKEN.
RE:Similarity
by Shenidh on May 23, 2007 11:43 PM
Bhaskar, where the hell you got these estimations about how many hindus got killed or displaced. I think you are not reading any mainstream media other than RSS & shiv sena media. So, please wake up don't be in a blind world. I would like you to welome to the real world with my sincere efforts.
RE:Similarity
by Ramesh P on May 24, 2007 12:33 AM
May be you are reading only Urdu Newspapers. The figures quoted by Bhaskar are given by Indian govt. I know that madrasa education lowers IQ of an individual, but I never thought that it would make ppl stupids and liars.
RE:Similarity
by vespin on May 23, 2007 10:58 PM
Nothing like this is happening in India .. or if its happening you forgot to mention SIMI,JEM and kashmiri muslim terrorists in India.. well or you forgot to mention ur name SI ..Is ISI is ur full name .. because you cannot clap with hands .. rest of the organisations you have mentioned sprung up because of the muslim fanatics.. And if they are so strong why India is ruled by pseudo secular congress and none of these hindu parties.. reply you retarded
RE:RE:Similarity
by vespin on May 23, 2007 11:00 PM
Nothing like this is happening in India .. or if its happening you forgot to mention SIMI,JEM and kashmiri muslim terrorists in India.. well you forgot to mention ur name SI .. ISI is ur full name and i know thats right.. because you cannot clap with one hand .. rest of the organisations you have mentioned sprung up because of the muslim fanatics.. And if they are so strong why India is ruled by pseudo secular congress and none of these hindu parties.. reply you retarded
Mr.Sameera Eventghough I am a non-Hindu, i feel pity about hindus. In Kashmir, hindus are tortured with the help of Pak-government and police. LET and MUSLIM organizations are high influence in police department and that could be the reason Hindus don't get justice (except from judicial system). They are getting killed in fake encounter in Pakistan and Kashmir and places like that. We brand them as terorists just not kowing the fact. recent study found that many Pakistani encoutners are fake. This is a fact. Hindu-massacre was a avoidable incident.But all the hindus in Kashmir were attacked by LET, PRO-PAK GROUPS and MULLAS with the help of police and government. HINDU TEMPLES was demolished with the help of military and state government. How can we balme HINDUS for everything then ?. In communal ritos in Kashmir, only out of killed are just 14% muslims and 86% are hindus. hindu girls raped by muslims in riots are 98.5% and by hindus to muslims are 1.5%. Dear friends, we should have the right to protect our hindu brother/sisters. Everybody has equal rights. Jai Hind.
RE:We Indian should raise our system
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 09:15 PM
According to Islamists, its Hindus who are at fault in India. (why Hindus, Buddhists completely driven out from Bangladesh, Kashmir? Whose fault it is?)
Buddhists who are at faught in Thailand, Sri Lanka.
Jews and Xtians are at fault in rest of the world.
There will be always some people/ideology who appease Islamists, that's how these people have grown from streangth to strength.
The world must collapse, and make a united anti-Islamist front. ONLY then, these people will face music.
RE:We Indian should raise our system
by Jaganniwas Iyer on May 23, 2007 09:24 PM
Dear Bhaskar, You're right about Gandhi, Islam and the politics that goes with it. India is still suffering on account of the sins of Gandhi. Jaganniwas Iyer
Eventghough I am a non-muslim, i feel pity about muslims. In Gujarat, muslims are tortured with the help of government and police. RSS and hindhu organizations are high influence in police department and that could be the reason Muslims don't get justice (except from judicial system). They are getting killed in fake encounter in Gujarat and Kashmir and places like that. We brand them as terorists just not kowing the fact. recent study found that many Kashimi encoutners are fake. This is a fact. Godhra was a avoidable incident.But all the muslims in Gujarat were attacked by BJP, Bajrangadal and VHP with the help of police and government. Babri Masjid was demolished with the help of military and state government. How can we balme muslims for everything then ?. In communal ritos, only out of killed are just 14% hindhus and 86% are muslims. Muslim girls raped by hindhus in riots are 98.5% and by muslims to hindhus are 1.5%. Dear friends, we should have the right to protect our muslim brother/sisters. Everybody has equal rights. Jai Hind.
RE:We Indian should raise our system
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 08:59 PM
Guj riots took place in 2002 and 30% of those killed were Majority. How many Germans were killed by Jews, even if the comparison between germany and Gujarat is oxymoron.
You never speak about 400,000 Hindus from kashmir, what happened to them.
Neither you talk about 10,000,000 plus Hindus/Buddhists of Bangladesh.
This emboldens Islamists, Jihadis in India.
Make no mistake, Hindus are waking up. And will NOT tolerate this double speak.
RE:We Indian should raise our system
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 09:03 PM
>>Godhra was a avoidable incident.
Again, classic Muslim denial syndrome.
MUSLIMS WILL NEVER ATROCIOUS ACTS COMMITTED BY THEIR CO-RELIGIONISTS.
SO, WE ARE TOLD, IN GODHRA HINDU WOMEN, CHILDREN DID A SELF-BURNING. AND LOCAL MUSLIMS ACTUALLY TRIED TO HELP THEM WITH STONES, STICKS, SWORD:)- RIGHT?
911 WAS DONE BY BUSH AND HIS JEW/HINDU CRONIES. RIGHT?
RE:We Indian should raise our system
by Hinjew on May 23, 2007 09:06 PM
Mr.Sameera Eventghough I am a non-Hindu, i feel pity about hindus. In Kashmir, hindus are tortured with the help of Pak-government and police. LET and MUSLIM organizations are high influence in police department and that could be the reason Hindus don't get justice (except from judicial system). They are getting killed in fake encounter in Pakistan and Kashmir and places like that. We brand them as terorists just not kowing the fact. recent study found that many Pakistani encoutners are fake. This is a fact. Hindu-massacre was a avoidable incident.But all the hindus in Kashmir were attacked by LET, PRO-PAK GROUPS and MULLAS with the help of police and government. HINDU TEMPLES was demolished with the help of military and state government. How can we balme HINDUS for everything then ?. In communal ritos in Kashmir, only out of killed are just 14% muslims and 86% are hindus. hindu girls raped by muslims in riots are 98.5% and by hindus to muslims are 1.5%. Dear friends, we should have the right to protect our hindu brother/sisters. Everybody has equal rights. Jai Hind.
Rahim , if u know the meanin of ur name u will never say the words u r sayin. U shud know that its our job to be kind and mericiful to others(muslims n non- muslims). Islam never asks u to provoke non Muslims for any reason. Its their choice of faith and Muslims have setup a good example rather bad. See the model state of Dubai , we have 300,000 Non muslims working without any discrimination like they face in USA , UK, AUS. I my self recruit 135 non Muslim Engineers. If the Govt of Dubai HAS GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO EVRYONE.
RE:Alwayz have mercy!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 08:00 PM
True, few Gulf states are doing well.
But the way Islamists, Islamism is sweeping the Muslim world, from Algeria to Turkey to Indonesia, not sure how long these Gulf State will be able to stand up.
If allowed to vote, ALL Muslim countries will unleash 100% shariat and make non-muslims second class citizen, if not already.
So, its a good example. But its because of "economic" need and because of 'autocracy'.
It doesn't have a wider sanction of Muslim civic society, political process. Naturally, over time it will fail.
RE:Alwayz have mercy!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 08:27 PM
One or two Gulf Countries are relatively better and (I may be wrong) allows temples, churches to come up.
But bigger issue here is: THESE RELATIVE TOLERANCE IS NOT BECAUSE OF SANCTIONS FROM MUSLIM SOCIETIES THERE, OR POLITICAL CLIMATE. But because of autocracy.
Give local population rights to vote, and they will rollback all these.
On the top of it, propaganda has started to throw out Indians from Gulf, even by Indian Islamists like Jeelani as long as Kashmir is not allowed to become free.
