RE:Mr Raman since when
by india on May 24, 2007 03:07 AM
I am hindu and indian, does that satisfy you? I work in US and one day my boss said do u have prob working with one pak guy? I said no i dont have as i have no personal issue with them,he said they attack ur country, i said indian defence system is taking care of that,being a citizen my job is to keep harmony and fratenity based on which on 15 aug 1947 the modern India has been made. If anybody has to deal with communal stuff they r pakis and as they made their country for islam, and they named it Pakisthan, we r different , we made India for Indian ,bharat for Bharatiya. had it not been India ,our country would not been this great. Now if you want to deal the jihadis by talking hatred against them then please join CBI or defence system ,u will better chance, being a citizen it is not a good and constuctive idea to creat negative vive like this.
RE:Mr Raman since when
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 03:10 AM
Ooooooooo...hhhhhhhh! really?
"india" reminds me the cycle found from malegaon blast site with words ENGRAVED "bhagwan"!
It was planted by Jihadis to mislead Police. Ultimately they were caught.
The Jihadi bomber who arranged 711 used a hindu name to take home and get a bargirl! When his photo was shown to the bargirl, she didn't know his jihadi name, but recognized him with his hindu name:)-
RE:Mr Raman since when
by india on May 24, 2007 03:15 AM
can u email me at i.indiancitizen@rediffmail.com, i will deal with u with my real identity and pictures,i will show u that i am hindu and very much indian and u also better give me ur real identity, and lets talk then thru phones. if i find that u r a pakis i will better leave u. now i really feel u r not indian.
RE:RE:Mr Raman since when
by india on May 24, 2007 03:18 AM
and by the way find my reply in sikh extremism in canada....it will make some sense to u if u r indian
RE:Mr Raman since when
by deep dar on May 24, 2007 09:13 AM
There's a natural reason for Muslims to join jehad, and it stems from the Quran, and the Hadiths. Read these carefully: Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause." Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious." Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Ishaq:324 "He said, â%u20AC%u02DCFight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'" Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them." Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good." Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace." Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding." Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth." Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, â%u20AC%u02DCAllah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, â%u20AC%u02DCEmbrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, â%u20AC%u02DCA Little work, but a great reward.'" Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: â%u20AC%u02DCWhoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'" Muslim:C34B20N4668 "The Messenger said: â%u20AC%u02DCAnybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights." Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place." Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you." Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight." Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought." Bukhari:V9B84N59 "Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'" Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)." Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us." Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: â%u20AC%u02DCYou shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture." Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah." Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." Qur'an:47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters." Tabari VI:138 "Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting." Tabari VI:139 "Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse â%u20AC%u02DCAnd fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'" Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah." Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling." Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment." Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory." Tabari IX:22 "The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly." Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant." Tabari IX:82 "The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them." Tabari IX:88 "Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah's Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger's command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them." Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends." Muslim:C9B1N29 "Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: â%u20AC%u02DCI will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.' Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat." Muslim:C9B1N33 "The Prophet said: â%u20AC%u02DCI have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'" Muslim:C10B1N176 "Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: â%u20AC%u02DCThere is no god but Allah,' but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: â%u20AC%u02DCDid he profess "There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him?' I said: â%u20AC%u02DCHe made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.' The Prophet said: â%u20AC%u02DCDid you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'" Muslim:C20B1N4597 "The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: â%u20AC%u02DCThere is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'" Muslim:C28B20N4628 "Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty." Muslim:C28B20N4629 "The Messenger said: â%u20AC%u02DCOne who is wounded in the Way of Allah - and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way - will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.'" Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 "The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: â%u20AC%u02DCWho is the best of men?' He replied: â%u20AC%u02DCA man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah's Cause.'" Muslim:C42B20N4684 "A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: â%u20AC%u02DCMessenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?' The Messenger of Allah said: â%u20AC%u02DCWho fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.'" Muslim:C53B20N4717 "The Prophet said: â%u20AC%u02DCThis religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.'" Bukhari:V5B59N288 "I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, â%u20AC%u02DCWe shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him." Bukhari:V5B59N290 "The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward." Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers." Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: â%u20AC%u02DCFighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy." Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all." Qur'an:2:246 "He said: â%u20AC%u02DCWould you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: â%u20AC%u02DCHow could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'" Ishaq:280 "The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah's command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight." Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." Bukhari:V4B52N61 "Allah's Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight." Ishaq:398 "Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage." Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]." Ishaq:393 "How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast."
RE:Mr Raman since when
by ratnajayant gudavally on May 24, 2007 09:41 AM
deep dar. Prophet said all this I agree but when he was in the desert during that century and was being attacked by his own people of other tribes. He never said the rules of the game are applicable in 21st Century. It was old game played in Old Arabia, after the followers of Ishmael and his mother left Palestine and travelled to the present Arabian lands.
The people in this part of Asia never knew Islam till it was brought bt Invading warriors from the Islamic regions of Middle East, Far East. The er is no point of applying and teaching those rules to passive creation of God after invading them.
RE:Bhaskar ... STOP Playing politics....Start Karsewa.
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 03:07 AM
@vivekanand reminds me the cycle found from malegaon blast site with words ENGRAVED "bhagwan"!
It was planted by Jihadis to mislead Police. Ultimately they were caught.
The Jihadi bomber who arranged 711 used a hindu name to take home and get a bargirl! When his photo was shown to the bargirl, she didn't know his jihadi name, but recognized him with his hindu name:)-
RE:RE:Bhaskar ... STOP Playing politics....Start Karsewa.
by vivekanand on May 24, 2007 03:34 AM
I am Hindu , Resident Doctor at SafdarJung Hospital delhi. vivek is my real name, Meet me in person if possible. I will help you whatever I can.
RE:Bhaskar ... STOP Playing politics....Start Karsewa.
by ravi kumar on May 24, 2007 08:26 AM
So Mr Vivek do you think you are the best person than the RAW analyst B raman. You think B raman is spreading hatred. You should either be really naive or a bloody pseudo who doesn't have a single idea of whats is going on in the world. I think bhaskar chatto are created when situation demands them. You understand dont try to act oversmart. Do you think you know everything because you have become a doctor. at the best you could be a fool calling yourself hindu because you didn't had anything else to brand yourself. You are a uncivilized slave with no political direction. Just read a bit more and form the opinion yourself beter still explore. get out of your a/c glass cabinet, and start knowing that there may be some enemies around you. You are a passive brute pachyderm who will understand the pain of terrorism when somebody from your family member get killed by this act. Everybiody understands that communal harmony is good for everybody. But if only hindus understand it and a particular community doesn't hindus will be in big problem so do not neglect the truth and try to act smart. Somebody is there planning to uproot to strike fear in your heart. better be aware of those then you can be benevolent.
specially to mr.b.chatto, my intension is not to divide at any level & i myself is a strong nationalist.but what is the fact one should realize.how the interest of hindus can be protected when only 25% of our total population, strongly support hinduism.be practical.if u have even a bit of socail taste of indian society, u will be clear.
RE:THE FACT OF HINDUISM
by deep dar on May 24, 2007 09:19 AM
That's because Islam tells Muslims to kill infidels. Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, â%u20AC%u02DCFight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
simple reason why pseudo secular politicians don't say nothing when hindus are attacked/expelled/slaughterred, is the game of politics.it is just vote bank politics.actual net block against hindus is 70-75%.how?see! indian muslim (all united)= 20% bangladeshi/pak muslims = 5% christians & few sikhs = 5% low caste hindus & dalits (who are not in support of hindus at large) = 45%
so it is very clear how only 25% strong hindus can save hinduism from suffering. that's why no one care any supression against hindus.
RE:ANTI HINDUISM
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 02:18 AM
Nope, I didn't start Dalit politics.
I just replied to your incarnations posting!
Fact hoever remains, dalits have always stood up against Muslims and conversion rate of them from Uttar Pradesh (Nrahminic Hinduism heartland) is MIMINAL.
That's why Dalits are still 23% of UP population, and Muslim pop never rose above 20% in UP though it was ruled by Muslims for a long long time.
So, Dalit-Muslim unity is just a rhetoric. Not a reality. It was never was.
Dalits are getting their rightful space in Hindusociety, though it should be hastened mush faster.
Neither islamist groups are helping like different Deobondi groups are helping either. THEY ARE CREEATING MORE PROBLEM BETWEEN DALITS AND MUSLIMS:)-
See, India being world's 3rd largest economy (PPP) - lots of stuff are at stake.
Billion Plus people, world's third largest economy at world's worst kind of geographical place having close proximity with Jihadis ALL AROUND US - thing will NOT turn out to be nice.
Indian Muslims should shun this flirting with Jihadism, islamism and take advantage of the emerging India so their stock is raised economically as well.
But these people (coupled with psuedos) don't want that to happen/
RE:@ bharat aka Jihadi and others like him!
by on May 24, 2007 06:36 AM
@bharat ur msgs show a teenage depth of matters of utmost complexity and implications.. Read B Raman's profile.. he provides insightful updates on situation of terrorism in South Asia.. This is not ur sonu-monu's neighbourhood fight where u can do ABBA n mater finished.. the whole world is fighting jihadis n terrorism.. Ur MUnna BHai HUgs won't do any wonder here..
Atleast Bhaskar has penty of information on topic and his msgs r not abusive or inciting.. he's just stating pure simple proven facts.. based on that, making an informed conclusion is anybody's constitutional right inluding his... look at how many of u and ur bhai log's answrs hv bene reported for abuse.. either u hv a knolwedgebl debate with bhaskar or better stay put for 2-3 yrs and read and update urself with facts.. n then come back..
RE:@ bharat aka Jihadi and others like him!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 02:11 AM
Even the alternate is no good for Jihadis.
Should for any reason (at this moment there is no possibility of that even remotely), if INDIA WERE TO FALTER ECONOMICALLY, it will give rise to huge rightwing growth as well.
They will fight against jihadis.
So, in either scenario (economy growing or otherwise): Jihadis are doomed in India.
The looser would be: Indian Muslims. As they will be identified with Jihadis as they keep mum on Jihadis.
RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 01:20 AM
>>accept that you are impotent lame Dracula who can only spit venom
On the contrary, Muslim intelelctuals, psuedos should have spoken about these huge atrocities going on in Bangladesh, Kashmir.
Don't think people are fool, or they don't understand it.
Ask even a hardcore CPIM guy, if he is your close friend, he will tell you what he feels about these Jihadists, Islamists and situation in Bangladesh/
2 much crap cannot continue for 2 long.
The golden run of Islamist, Jihadis in India is almost over.
People are waking up and will soon teach them a good lesson.
RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by Shameer on May 24, 2007 01:22 PM
Bhaskar bhayya....cool down.. You r a filthy coward....Spreading venom all over the forum.... hate monger...If i started quoting Hindu scriptures ..there r lot of laughing stuffs...make fun of others beliefs is a worst quality that one can posses..I know its useless talking to u guys coz u r religiuos fanatics.
So many hindus in this forum spreading hatred against muslims...blood thirsty...they are cowards of top class...verse than those stupid jehadis. Coz those jehadis r ignorent stupids but u r I feel educated at the least.....
Come on grow up....u Visua Hindu thugs...venum...venum....
RE:RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 01:35 AM
Wish Muslims like you spend more time to expose Jihadis/Islamists than what you are doing here. NOW.
That saves everybody's time, energy and makes the world a bettr place. Isn't it?
RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by ratnajayant gudavally on May 24, 2007 11:03 AM
why are Islamists killing Muslims of India?....... why do they fight and kill ? Why won't Muslims being killed do not want to fight Islamists for their terror tactics ??? Is it fear that they will intensify terrorism?
Why can not they tell Islamists to look after their interests in their Arab countries? and spare innocent Indian Muslims and in the process other innocent communities who are not fighting with them .
Why Jihad against innocent passive people of other religions?in far away non Islamic countries?
RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 01:14 AM
Solution is: See Evil, Talk about it. Expose Islamists and Jihadis.
They are as much bad for Indian Islam, as for Secularism, or India's long term stability.
I harbo no ill feeling about Islam as a religion. But what is HAPPENING NOW IS: MODERATE MUSLIMS, PSUEDOS ARE UNABLE TO SPEAK AGAINST ISLAMISTS, ISLAMISM AND JIHADIS.
It will bommerang BIG TIME. And Muslims and psuedos will have to pay bigger price.
RE:RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by deep dar on May 24, 2007 09:29 AM
I think this is the 1st time I would have to disagree with u, Bhaskar. Jihadis, Islamists, Muslims are ONE AND THE SAME.
That's because Islam tells Muslims to kill infidels. Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, %uFFFD%u20AC%u02DCFight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
According to Quran, if some Muslims are peaceful, they are bad Muslims, they are equivalent to infidels. But, you don't find any Muslim condemning jehadism. No maulana gives a fatwa to jehadis. That is because all of them have the same blood inside, of killing, murder and rape. The only way for Muslims to dissociate themselves from jehadism is to accept Sufism, and start calling themselves something else but not Muslims.
RE:RE:RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by Shameer on May 24, 2007 01:35 PM
Mr. Deep You got from ur neocon friend or from another Islam bashing site... these r accusation which answered 100s of years before when the orientalists and crusaders start researching Quran for their on interests.
Anybody can qoute Gitas and Bibles out of context and make accusitions....
RE:RE:@ Bhaskar chattu, and others like him...!!
by Shameer on May 24, 2007 01:25 PM
Bhaskar bhayya....cool down.. You r a filthy coward....Spreading venom all over the forum.... hate monger...If i started quoting Hindu scriptures ..there r lot of laughing stuffs...make fun of others beliefs is a worst quality that one can posses..I know its useless talking to u guys coz u r religiuos fanatics.
So many hindus in this forum spreading hatred against muslims...blood thirsty...they are cowards of top class...verse than those stupid jehadis. Coz those jehadis r ignorent stupids but u r I feel educated at the least.....
Come on grow up....u Visua Hindu thugs...venum...venum....
Jihadi pampering in Indian media, political discourse- example 2
The number of Hindus/Buddhists driven out from East Pakistan/Bangladesh PER DAY is more than what WHOLE OF POST GODHRA 2002 PUT TOGETHER.
As per Govt of India record (given by UPA) on the foloor of parliament, Muslim death was: 700 odd.
Bangladesh, now 150 million people strong, had 35% Hindu population even in early 1950s. That would have made present Hindu Population (without ethnic cleansing) as 50 Million.
However, as we know, Hindu population is down to 9% which makes Hindu population as 15 million at best.
The shortfall is: 35 million, which is definitely persecuted, killed, driven out.
Now divide 35,000,000 by 60 years (1947 - 2007) which makes Hindus driven out/killed/maimed from Bangladesh as
RE:On an Average, 1598 Hindus were driven out from East Pak/Bangladesh PER DAY in last 60 years. Total Muslim death during month long Guj 2002 is 700!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 24, 2007 12:52 AM
so, PER DAY 1600 hindus are driven out from East Pak/Bangladesh. Continued for last 60 years.
AND NO BODY EVEN TALKS ABOUT THAT!
Teesta Seetalvad: Whom are you fooling? And for how long you will be fooling you?
