RE:clearly voilence is revenge driven.
by Nice on May 23, 2007 07:57 PM
The grievance is that when you kill one innocent person (not terrorist) in a fake encounter just based on the suspicion ... grave injustice to 1 person ... and if there are some terrorist (no religion is exempt) terming the entire community as terrorist & traitors ... what more grievance you want ...
with your act you are turning the entire community to be filled with hatred and become terrorists ... ur promoting terrorism
Inequalities such as no reservations, partiality in employment, no say in the Government - Public Matters ... do not effect too much ...
but ... but ... inequality in justice ... no human rights ... a person is caught just based on suspicion and killed in a fake encounter ... the parents families do not know about the whereabouts ... promoting draconian rules and laws, which are in the hands of corrupt police officials and law makers ... this is a perfect no.
I am sorry to state and think that this is the main cause of rise in terrorism amongst muslims ...
RE:clearly voilence is revenge driven.
by Ramesh P on May 24, 2007 12:49 AM
I disagree, terrorism is patented property of Islam. All the muslims rants here talk of injustice, fake encounters etc kind of crap is baseless for the simple reason that neither hindus in kashmir, pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia nor buddhists in tibet etcc turned to extremism - Muslims don't even acknowledge extremism in thier religion - waste of time talking to these morons on rediff boards. They are brainwashed beyond correction and the madrasa education twists history already twisted by the british and some foolish, baseless arguments and lies spread by the "english educated fundamentalist/extremist muslims here".
What oppression did the London Bombers face and what injustice did they get to become terrorists. Don't try to justify everything the terrorists do in the name of islam using Guj riots/modi/babri masjid. None of them existed when Islam was established and Islam always had no respect for anyother religion. Not just acceptance, they don't even have tolerance and more importantly COMMON SENSE. Islam disables basic Sensory organs and converts its followers into bunch of preprogrammed robots. Anything the islamists don't like is created by RSS and they coined the contradicting Phrases "Hindu extremism" and "Islam is a peaceful religion" - On the ground scenario is different and if you don't acknowledge it, either you ppl cannot be changed at all or your sensory organs, eyes etcc are not working/captured by islam.
RE:RE:clearly voilence is revenge driven.
by Nice on May 23, 2007 08:02 PM
ur listing some useless facts abt Bin Laden and Al Jawahiri, what common Indian Muslims have to do with all those idiots ... no connection.
but ur trying to make a connection ... shame on u and ur likes ...
RE:RE:RE:clearly voilence is revenge driven.
by on May 23, 2007 08:38 PM
If violence is revenge driven, then how many Kashmiri pandits have become suicide bombers?
How many Buddhists have blown chinese people apart in Tibet?
How many Hindus in Pakistan have become suicide bombers? How many Ahmediyas sprayed Sunnis with bullets?
Don't bring up mindless excuses for bloodshed that Islam commits. All this talk about grievances is just a fig leaf for killing other cultures as commanded by Allah.
RE:clearly voilence is revenge driven.
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 08:49 PM
Don;t worry. Unless these Islamists are handled, theday is NOT far when Hindusm Buddhists, Xtian - all will start behaving the same way islamists does.
Mr. Raman ur articles (not just this article) are not worthy of anything. ur articles are provocative and are just creating hatred among Hindus and Muslims. What political / money mileage ur deriving by writing these useless articles.
We do not want what is happening in Pakistan. We want India to be a place to dwell. A diverse country, but united. United in Development, united in building the country.
Everyone would have appreciated, and if u believed in God, u would have appreciated the brotherhood of Hindus & Muslims in India and encouraged them. Given the readers how Hindus and Muslims are trying bind themselves in a unique brotherhood way.
ur articles are only creating hatred. And this hatred among Hindus against Muslims has reached an alarming level. Any human being (Hindu/Muslim/Sikh .... any religion) dying because of ur provocative articles ... u shall be answering ur God for all these hatred.
But, u preferred, disintegrating faith among the fellow human beings. u preferred promoting hatred among different faiths.
u will be responsible for these deeds. I hope that ur not among the terrorist groups. ur putting petrol on fire.
I hope that u mend ur ways and think of a solution to these common problem in India and use ur pen and thought power to let the humanity excel in this world.
I am going out of words, I cannot just imagine and digest India going the similar fanatical and extremist ways like other countries.
RE:RE:Bravo Mr. Raman
by Nice on May 23, 2007 07:39 PM
keep promoting hatred (sorry I mean educating the people), so that people can enlightned from ur thoughts and kill the innocent people (i am not talking about terrorists) ...
RE:Bravo Mr. Raman
by Nice on May 23, 2007 08:00 PM
Mr. Chatto, I would like to clarify that speaking against the Jihadis --- who promote hatred & voilence is absolutely fine.
But what have u and Mr. Raman did to promote love, peace and amity among the Hindus & Muslims. tell me I need an answer ...
RE:RE:Bravo Mr. Raman
by Suneet Bhutta on May 23, 2007 08:26 PM
What Mr. Raman has said is just pointing to the facts. Radical Islam is a fact and the truth is that moderate Islam cannot stand up against radical islam. It is people like Nice (say your real name and dont be under a disguise) who do not want to accept that radical Islam is a threat not only to other religions and countries but to moderate muslims like yourself Mr. Nice
RE:Bravo Mr. Raman
by Rahim Ali on May 23, 2007 07:34 PM
Tiger(Sharmila),Azar(Sangeta),Booby Khan(Sunidhi Chauhan,Singer), Amir Khan(Reena, Kiran),Saif(Amrita), Saharukh(Gauri), Arbaaz(Malaika), Fardeen(?),...U hindu can not convert a Muslim ? As U r afarid of ur caste and isolation. Wait for another 20 years!!!
RE:Bravo Mr. Raman
by abdul shakib on May 23, 2007 07:41 PM
Rahim , if u know the meanin of ur name u will never say the words u r sayin. U shud know that its our job to be kind and mericiful to others(muslims n non- muslims). Islam never asks u to provoke non Muslims for any reason. Its their choice of faith and Muslims have setup a good example rather bad. See the model state of Dubai , we have 300,000 Non muslims working without any discrimination like they face in USA , UK, AUS. I my self recruit 135 non Muslim Engineers. If the Govt of Dubai HAS GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO EVRYONE.
Please visit Murshidabad, Malda, and neighboring eastern Bihar having significant Muslim population. You will see lots of Muslim villages are not allowing any TV, Radio, Movie there.
If you scan local Bengali Press from Calcutta, you will find this.
As you know, Jihad is NOT just capturing Land, property of Infidels or establish Islamic laws.
In its very root, you will find rejection of thought, openness, democracy.
ANY THOUGHT, LAW THAT IS MAN MADE IS REJECTED.
I pity on Indian Psuedos as they are sending India to a disaster by refusing to take clear position on this.
RE:Shri B Ramanji: Citizen Jihadis can be found right here in India, we need not have to go to Pak/Afghanistan.
by abdul hameed on May 23, 2007 07:49 PM
Who killed Mahatma Gandhi.
Which ideology he belonged to??
This one crime is MUCH MORE BIGGER than all terrorism together.
Hamse wafa ki mang hai ghairat to dekhiye. Gandhi ke Qatilon ki ye himmat to dekhiye.
RE:Shri B Ramanji: Citizen Jihadis can be found right here in India, we need not have to go to Pak/Afghanistan.
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on May 23, 2007 07:57 PM
According to Ali Brother (Noted Muslim leader who started Khilafat Movement with Gandhi):
EVEN A MUSLIM KILLER (who killed Swami Shraddhanad) is a BETTER PERSON THAN GANDHI.
Islamists showing sympathy for Gandhi is ridiculous. Why did they partition the country then in the first place, very much against Gandhi's wishes?
What happened to 10s of millions of Hindus living in pakistan, Kashmir? Were they driven out because they were killer of Gandhi?
Azar(Sangeta),Booby Khan(Sunidhi Chauhan,Singer), Amir Khan(Reena, Kiran),Saif(Amrita), Saharukh(Gauri), Arbaaz(Malaika), Fardeen(?),...U hindu can not convert a Muslim ? As U r afarid of ur caste and isolation.
RE:Conversions Examples In India
by JGN on May 23, 2007 07:32 PM
Mr. Rahim Ali, instead of posting hateful message, why can't you help the really poor members of your community? There any number of poor girls being married (sold?)to old Arabs in Hyderabad and even in Calicut in Kerala. Do you think their parents are happy to do so if there is any alternative? Abject poverty is forcing them to do so. So a few wealthy muslims marrying some hindu girls or hybrid things like Malaika is no big deal.
The writer has only spoken about the Jihadi's in Afghanistan , Pakistan and more or less concentrating on Islamic values which has never been understood by writers like B.Raman or Salman Khurshid. Yes ofcourse I do understand that in the name Islam few Clerics have done wrong for their own benefits.
In Islam no sectors or tribe is greater while evry one is equal. Even the King or the King of the Kings has to stand in a row to offer Prayers along with general public. While on a Pilgrimage(HAJ) has to go by his own unless if the person in handicapped.
Who on earth hasnt done anythin wrong to help his religion or section grow like in India or US or Europe . In Protestants clash with Catholics n vice versa else where aswell. Why dont u talk about the lack of humanism while the IRA and the Spanish Basque party commited crimes. Arent they Christians. Common a writer like should be realistic and support ur views with evidence or jus quit.
RE:To Mr. B Raman
by syed masood hussaini on May 23, 2007 07:30 PM
whome you are trying to convince man these fools dont have sense to understand the truth that is why they are not in islam if they would have understood islam in the real term the case would not be as it is now and you know they will answer to their deeds on the D day
RE:RE:To Mr. B Raman
by JGN on May 23, 2007 07:45 PM
Mr. Syed, can you tell me whether any those who fought alongwith The Prophet and the subsequent generation who fought for the cause of Allah has got any rewards even after a lapse of nearly 1400 years? How long do they have to wait for getting the rewards promised in The Koran? Please don't tell me it is there in the Koran, the Prophet has said that 'I am only a warner, I don't know when the day of judgement will come, but be prepared, etc'. as I have also read The Koran. Please think for yourself. There are no separate heavens/hells for the followers of different religion. So let us not fight in the name of Religion.
RE:To Mr. B Raman
by abdul shakib on May 23, 2007 08:06 PM
The reward for the people who fought for Islam was the black gold(Petrol/oil). Can u beleive, petrol can dry when kept open but how come a place like Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar all surounded by desert can preserve the oil wealth. These r the sign of the Mighty, how long will u ignore the sign of the Mighty
RE:To Mr. B Raman
by Jas Sand on May 23, 2007 09:08 PM
Abbey oye Abdul Shakku,
The Petroliun deposits are preserved deep inside the earth not int he open space at Allah's mercy - Do you ever know that countires like Indonasia, Russia, US (Alaska) and a few Latin american countires produce lots of oil and preserve them too? Talk some sense man!
RE:To Mr. B Raman
by Abdul gafoor on May 23, 2007 07:08 PM
Hindu extremist (they r only little exist) want to devide india again to Hindu and muslim.. But they will never achive their target, because most of the Hindu's are considering the people belongs to other releagion are their true friends and many of them made a wide contribution to set up indian democracy and culture.. Many of them allready gave their blood and life for our Motherland.. But unfortunately some media's also working along with the extremist that I mentioned above.. Just ignore their article by taking it as a 'foolish dream' Jai Hind
