RE:Resignation !
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Mar 21, 2007 08:50 PM
Shastriji and CPIM cannot be compared at all. While the former was an Indian Nationalist to the core who gave human values, democracy, freedom high importance, CPIM is a copy of Semitic Communism developed in the West during Colonial era which created havoc outside Europe killing more than 100,000,000 (100 MILLION) people (Black Book of Communism - Harvard University Press) in USSR, China, South East Asia, Africa, South America and now in India, Nepal.
However, realistically, we can hope that Yechuri et al and THOSE JNU JHOLAWALS WILL SHUT THEIR MOUTH, WILL NOT LECTURE US ON 'MORAL CAUSE'!
Solution to the growing violence in WB is very simple: Avoid Govt Machinery for Acquiring land. Let the private Party buy land directly from people.
Starting from N Ram, to VP Singh to Lalu Prasad to Sharad Pawar - EVERYBODY said this 100s of times.
But arrogant Buddha and CPIm thought they can do anything. Actuallym if private parties deal with people directly, BYPASSING CPIM, CPIM will not be able to make money from these deals. Also employ its large cadre force.
RE:How is he surviving then?
by ABC XYZ on Mar 21, 2007 11:16 PM
Bhaskar Chattopadhyay needs to be thrown out of this forum. I'm glad his messages has been reported for abuse. He seems to be a Maoist mouthpiece spitting out his venom. As far as the intellectuals, these are "CHAGOLS" (GOATS in Bengali) who has no clue to what's really going on. What's really going on is the looser Mamata and his Jamaet Mullah friends along with Naxals have been doing propaganda to do any constructive work in Bengal. They want to keep Bengal under dark shadows while gaining some political mileage. They love to create such violence and rip the benefit out of it. They do not care about human lives.
After CBI filed the report today that along with police, external people (meaning CPIM cadres) went to Nandigram and people were killed, Buddha's position has become untenable.
This piece by Rediff Journo is a try to refurbish image of Buddha.
Buddha is a Stalinist. NEVER IN INDIA POLITICAL PARTY ACTIVISTS WENT AND ATTACKED POOR PEOPLE, WOMEN, KIDS, MINORITIES ALONG WITH POLICE.
RE:RE:CPM is anti-India
by mahesh vs on Mar 21, 2007 08:19 PM
babu, ur claims are so strong that they require corroboration, b4 anyone can comment for or against you.
Hi friends. I am really disturbed with the Nandigram issue and I was wondering whether it could have been avoided. But I have some questions to all my friends who will be reading this article. To throw some light neither me nor my family is anyway linked with CPIM but we love our state and our country and we believe in democracy. I read several articles and majority of people was blaming the rulling party mainly the left and Mr Buddhadev Bhattacharya.
1/. Nandigram was violent for last 2 months with rape and murders of rulling party members. How many people protested/?
2/. Mamata Bannerjee and siddiqulla/(Jamat e Ulema Hind/) were constantly instigating people with their speeches like nandigram a raktoganga boiye debo /( Nandigram people will take blood incase/) or khali muslim er jomi newa hoche/(only Muslims land is been acquired/) though there was no question of land acquisation. How many people protested against this/?
3/. When CPIM supporters had to leave their house for last 2 months just because they were supporters of CPIM and when opposition parties were not attending all party meeting called by the District Magistrate to dissolute Nandigram tension, just for the sole reason to keep Nandigram alive for their vote-bank in next years panchayat election, How many people protested to this/?
4/. In Nandigram a cop was lynched and his body was thrown in the Haldi river, just because he went to verify complaint received about more roads dug to keep outsiders from entering Nadigram, how many of you protested/? Is this because police is meant to die or is it policemen are not human and doesnt have any friends or family/?
5/. Today who are opposing the Nandigram incident what they would have done if they were in power/? Did you guys would have allowed the anarchy for day after day or you would have sent the police/?
7/. We all are speaking about democracy, but does democracy allow digging up of roads and declare a region independent/? If you support that why are you silent about the Kashmir issue/? If you think Nandigram is people/%u2019s revolution then what is Kashmir/? If Nandigram is genocide, then what is Kashmir/?
8/. If today CPIM drives out opposition party supporters from any other place or any other state, will you refer it as revolution of local people like you did as in Nandigram/? Will you then support anarchy/?
I think Nandigram 14th March is an eventual result of answers to all these questions. Friends answer me if you can but lets not mess it up with any kind of abuse as we all respect human life irrespective of color, creed, profession, political background.
Right to life is fundamental right along with right to private property. Now I ask Indian PUBLIC these questions: 1. Industries want land then why they donot talk to farmers directly and pay market prices? 2. Why CPIM wants to take away the land from poor farmers and give it to Industries afterall industrialisation CAN ALSO HAPPEN IF INDUSTRIES PURCHASE LAND DIRECTLY? 3. As some people are holding poor farmers responsible for attack I ask WHO WERE KILLED? Were they ministers or POOR FARMERS? 4. How come WOMEN were KILLED (as only men do riots: history about 1984 Delhi riots, 2003 Godhra, even counter riot in gujrat tells us that women never attack in riots they are infact victims)? 5. Finally a basic question: What right does a government has to take away a small piece of land that I have if I DONOT WANT TO GIVE IT and that too not for national security but to help some industrialists?
The TRUTH is the WB govt and Marksists are ideologically bankrupt and are selling the state to industries. Those who dare oppose CPIM are KILLED mercilessly as seen in NANDIGRAM GENOCIDE.
But We Indians will punish corrupt leaders by kicking you out in next elections so donot worry after that a proper investigation will put those responsible behind BARS.
Right to life is fundamental right along with right to private property. Now I ask Indian PUBLIC these questions: 1. Industries want land then why they donot talk to farmers directly and pay market prices? 2. Why CPIM wants to take away the land from poor farmers and give it to Industries afterall industrialisation CAN ALSO HAPPEN IF INDUSTRIES PURCHASE LAND DIRECTLY? 3. As some people are holding poor farmers responsible for attack I ask WHO WERE KILLED? Were they ministers or POOR FARMERS? 4. How come WOMEN were KILLED (as only men do riots: history about 1984 Delhi riots, 2003 Godhra, even counter riot in gujrat tells us that women never attack in riots they are infact victims)? 5. Finally a basic question: What right does a government has to take away a small piece of land that I have if I DONOT WANT TO GIVE IT and that too not for national security but to help some industrialists?
The TRUTH is the WB govt and Marksists are ideologically bankrupt and are selling the state to industries. Those who dare oppose CPIM are KILLED mercilessly as seen in NANDIGRAM GENOCIDE.
But We Indians will punish corrupt leaders by kicking you out in next elections so donot worry after that a proper investigation will put those responsible behind BARS.
RE:THE END OF CPM IS NEAR
by abhishek bose on Mar 21, 2007 06:12 PM
dude there is a difference between 14 and jallianwala bagh .. do not dramatize it .. also how coem we are not asking - who fired rounds at police - thought that should be investigated as well
RE:RE:THE END OF CPM IS NEAR
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Mar 21, 2007 09:16 PM
Have you read Anandabazar's reports dated March 21st? That Police, administration are themselves outraged seeing the way Police conducted themselves?
People were throwing stone from such a far distance, it did NOT reach even police. Police threw tear-gas which was not reaching people because it was so far.
Then after firing 2-3 rounds of tear-gas, police started firing.
WHY NO POLICE GOT GUNT SHOT WOUND?
Remember, this is Anandabazar report WHICH IS A BIG SUPPORTER OF BUDDHA.
So, its time, you CPIM cadres STOP writing stoies and tell accept that CPIm cadres went with Police WITH DETAILED PLANNING WHOM TO KILL.
The more you guys try to blame others, you will land up in more trouble.
RE:THE END OF CPM IS NEAR
by Anshul sharma on Mar 21, 2007 06:37 PM
Hi Ratnesh,
I am not going to the discussion on the initiation of end of CPM. I like to tell you something on the rights of poor man.
1.Industry require land!! right!! and some huge Land!! and before some years when license raj was there.. it's the central gov who used to dictate on the proposed land or the state gov. but now the industrialists can directly be in touch with land owner. So this is a way. Nice Idea. But to arrange to talk to 1000 land owners is a difficult task... and gov is there to help the industrialists for that. Seeming bessless right??
O.key let's c a scenerio:
Tata wants 15000 acres for one of his factory to set. Now they are on look for land. 1.Andhra Pradesh comes with a file and presnts them with all the facilities that they can provide for them. Karnataka comes with a home work with all the details of the value additions. 2. Tata asks Bengal that he wants to set the plant here. Bengal says that ourwlectricity is very cheap and you will be finding nice roads everywhere even inside the jungle to take load of 100 trucks per day. But you choose ur land ur way and negotiate with the land owners and set the factory. We are no longer in between u and the poor people. so now u have to decide.
If u were tata which way u will decide?? Hey man..talk sense..
Bengal will be out in the first screening and Bengalore or Hyderabad would have got the project. But still no chance of falling of the left gov...everybody is happy !! so the gov. ...the socalled gariber sarker....joke yar..
RE:THE END OF CPM IS NEAR
by Anshul sharma on Mar 21, 2007 06:44 PM
right Avishek,
atleast some people have got something to say now. Buddha really got everybody shut Up till now. Be it Hitlar or Mussoulini ... it is one man show here boss who is fighting for the forthcoming job and good life for our children.
Noyto Gariber Sarker to besh Bhalo ee cholchilo...there was no threats to the gov. but this man of will to change the scenerio of bengal stood up... so hang him up....don't say only to resign.
RE:RE:THE END OF CPM IS NEAR
by Samrat Das on Mar 21, 2007 07:44 PM
Dear Anshul What you are saying is right. But you have to accept that a human being can't be treated like that what happened in Nandigram.
Industrialization is always welcome but this need proper planing. A simple question! Is there no land left in West Bengal except the agricultural Land? I don't think this is acceptable.
During this process(at nandigram) 14 person killed 60-70 injured major of them are women & kids,even 15 women are raped is this the way to establish law & order or a way to bring industry.
The way buid throug blood can only bring blood it can never bring better future for our son daughtes
He has not reached Rs 100 Crore mark in his bank accounts . He would stay till all the free land is sold to private companies.
Currently I am thinking , would he & his ministers return the bribed money by tata for nandigram . For singur , they cannot scrape the SEZ, else CPM cannot retain their dictatorship
RE:leave him there
by Anshul sharma on Mar 21, 2007 05:20 PM
is this the fight against land aquisition??? --- CM had declared that no land will be taken for theproposed SEZ if people of Nandigram doesn't want thefactory there. Different site would be given to SALIM group..... so , for what the fight was? ....
people of Bengal are politically polarised to 100%. But we are literate also... so pls don't talk only with lips and heart but at the same time keep ur eyes open for seeing as well as analysing things and then talk.
Noxalited have got a nice opportunity here in West Bengal this time and they are counting it seriously what even it compels them for a temporary comradish stay with Trinomul.
see the style of fight.... cutting the roads, collecting ammunition inside and declaring it a free land. Ohh man.. still we cann't see anything... as my father , brother and some AC room-revolutionary writers or so called budhijibis are now against the police firing. I am also against police firing. But for those who declare free zone for nothing..... no .. no.. not for nothing... for the bred and butter of the craked brained so called noxalites ( yes not trinomul or Bhumibachao committee what so ever). Sometime now I wounder why they are still called Noxalites not Sowtalites. They are simply a party of Soutals- one of the tribes. So nothing wrong in it to fight for the rightes of a community. but be there only... don't get it confused with communism. In this world scenerio we have to be flexible in application.
and Nandigram Issue... yes .. some faults were there in handling things. But some time the gov. has to take some steps... we will goto it later. but for Westbengal's sake pls stop abusing Buddhadeb... Be with him... but pls analyse and then u decide.
After a long period , we have got a man of will like Buddhadev Bhattecharjee.
RE:BENGAL: Poor Man's RIGHT TO LIVE
by ritwick sanyal on Mar 21, 2007 04:35 PM
Tell me one corrupt leader we have put behind BARs as u have claimed..have we been able to touch L K Advani and team for Babri Masjid Demolition, have we been able to touch Narendra Modi after Godhra..leave touching them ..we even voted them to power..Lets understand one thing..Buddha is not corrupt..he had the interest of Bengal in mind..he wants the state to develop and be industrialised..he thought ppl would want to move from agriculture to industry..he has been proved wrong..but saying he is corrupt would be very wrong
RE:RE:BENGAL: Poor Man's RIGHT TO LIVE
by Ghochu Singh on Mar 21, 2007 06:02 PM
So far I know BJP did not tell anyone for the demolition of Babri Masjid,BJP just took the advantage/oppertunity to grab the power. Narendra Modi not told anyone to do a massacre in Godhra.But he may be tried to take some political advantage. But Buddhadeb ordered and send cadres for the Nandigram massacre otherwise Any police officer can not do this kind of barbaric torture and murders.Govt did it themselves. So pl dont compare the Nandigram with Godhra/Babri, -it was just like Jaliwanalabag. thanks
RE:RE:BENGAL: Poor Man's RIGHT TO LIVE
by ratnesh srivastav on Mar 21, 2007 04:50 PM
CONGRESS FRIEND Sibu soren is in JAil for MURDER, LALOO's RIGHT HAND MAN SHAHBUDDIN IS ALSO IN JAIL. Soon All CONGRESS and COMMUNISTS will be in JAIL
