Wake up and grow up, My apology for using upper and lower before the caste word below in my message. All indians are equal as per the democracy.
more than the uppercaste people think themself as superior, it is the lowercaste people who thinks they are Inferior. When people dont mind bargaining for reservation identifying themself as lower , inferior on caste, why they should feel ashamed of being called with their trade names or caste names.
If you are objecting to the point that a trade of Mochi is compared lower to the trade of Sunar, Nothing to call for protest at such a level. It is similar to White collar jobs in office considered superior to Blue collar jobs, irrespective of the fact that, blue collar jobs earn the income for organisation.
Dont fall prey to Mayawatis tricks to earn money from the film producers, The moment she gets the sum she decided, the ban will go off
RE:dear members, wake up and grow up
by Chanakya on Dec 01, 2007 02:59 PM
i tend to agree with you totally... it is not the superiority complex of the upper caste that creates the problem - it is the inferiority complex of certain caste accepting themselves as lower caste is the problem.... the day they wake up and start thinking of themselves being equal, India would be the first country free of racism.
What if one says, "bole chaprasi bhi khud ko sahab" (peon considers himself boss). Now, this is definitely derogatory statement, demeaning some profession. But is it casteist? No!!!
Those who are working as Mochi (cobbler) gets the caste Mochi; and those who are working as Sunar (Goldsmith), become Sunar.
Means, caste is as same as profession. Thus all Mochis, not working as Mochi are no more Mochi; and all Brahmins, not working as Brahmin are not Brahmin anymore.
RE:Isn't larger issue than just ban or politics?
by Dipak Kumar on Dec 01, 2007 02:58 PM
Thanks.Now only we fools could understand why the ban was there.But, tell me, if all castes are equal then why this reservation based on caste.
RE:Isn't larger issue than just ban or politics?
by GN on Dec 01, 2007 03:08 PM
understand some basic principles. - All Politicians are Corrupted and Politics is the best money earning activity in todays world. - The number of Politicians compared to the number of Voters (the common man) is very very low. - it is very difficult for the so called very very low Politicans to control the huge number of voters and do corruption and earn money without being questioned by the voters. - Solution for the above is to divide the common man into small small groups and then agains re-devide them into sub groups within the groups and so on. - To divide the so called common man(including you and me) the best criteria is Religion. - Second best is the Caste - Third is the Region - Fourth is Trade. and so on
it is difficult to control the wave in a SEA, but very easy to play with the water in the Glass.
RE:Isn't larger issue than just ban or politics?
by GN on Dec 01, 2007 02:43 PM
You did not solved the real issue santosh, The real issue was mayawati required 50 lakhs rupees for her party fund. The moment film producer accept to pay it, the ban will go off.
you must appreciate mayawati. She did earned the money for party fund aswells as the support of Mochi's all over the UP.
RE:Isn't larger issue than just ban or politics?
by Nihit Saxena on Dec 01, 2007 02:50 PM
wish everyone could understand that and not think of tattooing themselves on the forehead of belonging to that profession and then hating the same.
RE:Lower castes should convert to Buddhism
by madhu sudarsan on Dec 01, 2007 03:28 PM
Mr. Dravidian..... with all due respect to u SIR..... UR thinking machine is in a pathetic state..... it needs maintenance and repairing.....
RE:Lower castes should convert to Buddhism
by Dipak Kumar on Dec 01, 2007 03:08 PM
Mr. Dalit Saxena, now, you want to ban the word 'lower caste' also!!
Piyush Mishra, the surname Mishra suggests that he is a brahmin. It is no surprise then, that he has written derogatory lyrics. And on top of that he is saying that it is not derogatory. Come on, it is obvious that the lyrics are derogatory. Andd irector Anil Mehta is another upper caste person. My question to all upper caste people - Why do you consider yourself superior? Please come down from your self imposed superiority complex. Don't judge a man by his birth. Judge him by the way he behaves. Look at the pathetic state that you made India into. And you people claim that you love India. Dear upper caste friends, please understand that it is not Muslims or Christians who are damaging India. The biggest damage has been caused by you. You guys have reduced the lower caste people to sub-human status, and treat them worse than animals. And you people complain when lower castes convert to Buddhism or Christianity. Look at your own hypocrisy my friends. When will you realize your mistakes?
RE:Piyush Mishra is probably a Brahmin
by GN on Dec 01, 2007 02:38 PM
Wake up and grow up man, My apology for using upper and lower before the caste word. All indians are equal as per the democracy.
more than the uppercaste people think themself as superior, it is the lowercaste people who thinks they are Inferior. When people dont mind bargaining for reservation identifying themself as lower , inferior on caste, why they should feel ashamed of being called with their trade names or caste names.
If you are objecting to the point that a trade of Mochi is compared lower to the trade of Sunar, Nothing to call for protest at such a level. It is similar to White collar jobs in office considered superior to Blue collar jobs, irrespective of the fact that, blue collar jobs earn the income for organisation.
Dont fall prey to Mayawatis tricks to earn money from the film producers, The moment she gets the sum she decided, the ban will go off
RE:Piyush Mishra is probably a Brahmin
by madhu sudarsan on Dec 01, 2007 03:11 PM
What Rubbish........???????? Why dont u Mr. Dravidian come out of the inferiority complex that u are of a lower caste ? In ur remarks u talk about caste that itself shows ur behavior.... I believe that in todays world if we were still dividing ourselfs on caste basis then we would have workplaces with people of the same caste working together. I would request all Indians to stop falling prey to the dirty game played by politicians.....
RE:Piyush Mishra is probably a Brahmin
by Sweety A on Dec 01, 2007 03:43 PM
Please donot take it otherwise but I feel you are yet in history books. Where in recent times have you noticed people being in sub-human conditions & treated as animals? The so called upper caste people who were involved in the activities that you have mentioned were hardly 10 / 15% if not less. Beyond that they treated others as servants not as slaves. I personally know one such family who has done a lot to let his servants atleast earn their livelyhood. The caste system when thought of was based on the type of work a family was into. As through generations the family kept on doing the same work they as it is generally easy to learn the activities the family is into. That too as there were little other oppurtunities. As rightly mentioned by someone a caste was earlier actually based on the work one used to handle & not by birth. Later as the language changes into a slang so did this system got spoiled. With a few odd minded people the situation worsened. But sadly we are fighting on the same old system even after understanding what bad did it do to the society in the medieval times. Today is it required? Today we have ample of oppurtunities yet we are stuck up for caste etc. Yes all benefits should be given to the economic backward be it from any caste/creed etc. So that we grow as a nation & not fight calling names to each other. I remember we had all forgot these silly things but for political beneits these politicians have made us fight. Please wake up.
RE:Piyush Mishra is probably a Brahmin
by mukul agarwal on Dec 01, 2007 02:52 PM
what r u speaking?infact the worst people for the country are people like u who now also belives in upper caste and lower caste when u people take the privilage of reservation then why u blame other upper class people
In this context I would like to all the people of Hindu religion that how long this issue will go on. If anyone telling that you are a lower cast, why they not telling that we are upper cast. But lower cast people are thinking proud in being lower. They never want to be upper cast. Anyone can tell me that who want to be upper cast. There are many argument on Manubad, that in which era Dalit people were not allowed to read / chant the Hindu holy books, today situation is different, there is no any obstruction. Afterall why these Dalit people are not studying the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Vedas, Upnishadas, etc. Who is stoppping to read the same. These very mockery thing that people are not aware about itself and they are blaming to other for there miserable situation. Please rise your sanskar and try to be upper cast. Your leader like Mayawati, Paswan etc. will never to change or lift the your cast of status. Because there identity is existing due to your illiteracy or unawareness to itself. nothing else.
RE:Castism
by ashok kumar on Dec 01, 2007 03:45 PM
castism is the nothing more than politics. All the people believe in the castism is the foolish man. try to develop / update yourself. Wealthy and poor people always being on the earth and will exist forever. Nobody can eradicate this difference. If anyone telling that he will make equality like communalism. Its totally foolish views. Because all the communist leaders are drinking the blood of labourer on the name of contribution of their earnings by hard labours, and telling that we are working for equality and welfare for the poor people. But they visiting in cars and aeroplane, their body are fatty and their followers are not looking the same.
RE:Castism
by Nihit Saxena on Dec 01, 2007 02:33 PM
what is upper cast and what is lower cast? if you call one that way isnt you who should be punished for doing that?
Lift the Isuues of Mochi, take care of mochi try to uplift the `mochis' economical position. dont play the word `Mochi'.. `Mochi Ban' will not give any benifit to real `MOCHI' samaj. thanx
mayawati memsahib do this. 1. khai ke paan banaras wala-- state song of up. 2. remove word cast and religion from forms of recruitment and admission. 3. haathi is state symbol. 4. mayawati is state godess. 5. bahujan samaj party ka naya naam bakwas samjh walo ki party.
india is already suffering from so many political leaders you are just adding more suffering in to it.
